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I'll second D2 here! But I love the rants of this community!

As to them not working together, it's programmers on an open platform. What do you expect? The best coders put their work out there, in some cases, then everyone copies, including and especially corporations. I remember awhile back, some company sued a programmer about his use of some code. He said fine, removed all his codes from an open license site. The company didn't realize they were using his code for an essential aspect of their company. They backtracked quick as **** because they realized that he could now charge them more than what they would have gotten from the injunction (reduced to a numerical value) and that they couldn't develop a work around in time...

What is needed is to get the right people working together more than getting everyone working together. Unfortunately, mostly all of them do this in their spare time. That means it will develop as Linux has since its inception, slow or slower, depending on the time in question...

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Not to mention the many variants that people keep spawning because everyone has their own dream

 

Linux isnt compatible with half of the softwares I use. A lot of productivity softwares have no support of linux. Those companies are also way too big to care.

When your software is the industry standard, you dont need to worry about cross os compability.

 

Can we see a slight softening from Micro$idiots?
http://winaero.com/blog/exclude-drivers-from-updates-in-windows-10-creators-update/

 

This is the first thing in most guides that people recommend doing, in fact it should be a rule.

 

The same should be done for Windows Update

 

Nah the updates are fine and needed since it fixes overall compatibility. I think the forums for MS are a joke though, mods/techs fight for rep points which I haven no idea wtf it does for them. Most for now is deferment though for those afraid of the future. Yes some things will get reinstalled possibly, but the funny part is how people are reacting now vs in the past. I wonder how many here recall when Intel first got called out on their CPU's sending out information violating people's privacy etc back in 1999 lol

 

You kidding? Forced updates should be prohibited by law!! It is I myself who should decide whether I am happy with how my machine work. If I get virus or not all working on my machine... OH'Well. My problem Not someone else's.

 

Then don't install them?

 

More like this?

 

Still, privacy back then was different than now due to how much computers have seeped through our lives. Look up stingray telephone spoofers used by US law enforcement, rulings on cell phone warrants, etc. That, in conjunction with the expansions to "fight terrorism," has changed the needs for privacy. For lawyers, digitizing mental impressions or documents sealed by attorney client privilege need added confidentiality, but if Microsoft or Google could skim even the metadata of these docs, it compromises that confidentiality. If this continues, then the only way to provide that to conform with the court rules is to step back to the pre-computer days for the most sensitive information (which some law firms have taken it upon themselves to do).

I do agree some updates are necessary for security. If you don't keep up to date, you compromise yourself in other ways, but my problem is the pervasiveness and the US government trying to force silicon valley to build in back doors for the NSA. In fact, the US government made it illegal to create a custom firmware for routers, even though it can make them more secure, because of concerns of law enforcement.

You are in Europe. You have a chance to bring a case like that and win. Reference the case of forcing ie on Windows purchasers (why we now have version N, although that was an antitrust case. This would be more of a privacy or autonomy argument, but I'm unsure which EU law would apply for it to be argued under. Just don't bring it in Britain, they just opened the flood gates for government spying, or Germany)...

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I do defer all my updates, stops me from being the guinea pig for them. The number of people getting frustrated at a broken driver being put on time and again though... Any driver updates should have a "roll back and cancel auto update" too.

 

There are way more agencies at play for this than the NSA lol. I was meaning more for the cumulative updates (service pack additions) that fixed issues reported by people. Each update I get more and more functionality/performance on certain areas, given the multiple hobbies/line of work I do, I'm more prone to notice in other areas at least. Main issue is just avoiding windows hardware updates, since that's the main underlying factor that breaks things.

Gaming wise I know a few things here and there ( OBS and a few other areas get flipped around) MS really needs to put out change logs vs just saying X file updated.

 

It's even harder for enterprise admins to actually do reporting on what updates are being applied and you can't unpack the updates if you want to avoid something.

 

I haven't used Windows in any of it's versions as a vanilla, editing windows 10 to the core feels natural, I think?

@LunaP (forgot if I asked) Are you using madVR ?

Also, as an art worker, I'm not sure if I should ever approach Quadro, it doesn't seem to have much of an advantage when most things I run are ran on CPU (?)

 

It depends on the apps and content you are working with.

Until recently you needed a quadro for 10bit colour output.

 

if you're doing 3D it helps, other wise there aren't to much visible gains, I work with both, though didn't have a choice w/ the Wacom since its got a 4gb quadro 1000M, but def beats using the iGPU and frees me up from cpu resources when streaming/rendering. 3D is def something to pick up for art though as it helps with doing perspective on backgrounds and building out areas u can reference later if you're doing comics or high end story lines, especially if you're doing a VN or anything. Though since its low af poly count u won't see a diff when outputting the lines.

I use MadVR with pot player using the MPC-Haruhi addons etc. I can't be without it.

Interesting didn't even know that lol. Is that with 9xx going forward or did it just start w/ the 10xx line?

 

Pascal, so very recent change from Nvidia on that front.

 

Even with 3D, GPU's dont help much, unless you are doing a lot high poly work, that will bog down the viewports. Even then the viewports them selves need to be running on OpenGL/DirectX to be able to use the GPU. Most programs, dont quite use it that way.

Second scenario is when people want to dump larch poly caches / geometry caches on to the VRAM, which makes things way faster. But that i mostly used in production, and i am yet to come across any user who does that on his workstation at home.

Lastly, the only advantage a Quadro might have in either of these scenarios is the slightly higher VRAM amount, other than that, they are complete waste of money.

 

That is weird, because i have been using 10 bit color output on my Eizo CG2420, with 970 SLI, 980 and now with the 1080. It works just fine, only complications arise when i need to use 16Bit LUT's, but that scenario is also more or less program related.

This works even on my P870DM-G which is hooked up the Dell U2410

Spoiler

 

Restricted application support with that however

 

Quadro is very useful for programs that are very biased toward quadros.

 

Not quite, at least with 3D suites like Maya / 3Ds Max / Houdini / Cinema4D. Even with NukeX and After Effects, there were no issues. After Effects, did need an ini edit though.

 

That used to be very true a few years back, but now a days they are used in only because the software companies refuse to provide support otherwise.

 

How did you get it to show 10bit on U2410?

I cant get mine to work on u3415w(same 8bit+frc) with a k2000 and/or my titan xp.

 

That's what I was saying to George lol, its useless otherwise, and my only choice was igpu or quadro so not much I could have done lol. I use Maya for the most part. I've no idea if CSP fully supports quadros or not. I'm curious to see if I can still install an nvidia driver instead.


Also try to make use of the quotes button vs having a ton of posts 1 after the other lol, and or edit. Keeps it cleaner and from flooding to the next page.

 

Windowed applications to be more specific.

 

I know there are more agencies, but the FBI, military, and CIA, among others, even hand off certain tasks related to cyber security for the NSA to use their resources. That is why I referenced it instead of all the security agencies with their individual cyber divisions. This is not even starting on foreign players and their resources. After all:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

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Now that is more or less, is a Windows Color management short coming. BUT once you are dealing with an application that uses its own viewport (i.e i guess all of them) , it becomes a non factor.

Nothing really, just plugged it in via display port, its 8Bit max over HDMI.

Yeah getting limited by options is super annoying. Not to mention, Maya's viewport being utter garbage. At least with Viewport 2.0/3.0 they have improved things a lot.

I actually multi quoted, but for some reason, the post didn't go through. Had to retype everything individually.

 

Hey guys. Just wanted to add a little bit of information on my experience on the 7700K in my Tornado F5. http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11359804

4.9Ghz - No delid, LM and my highest temps are 78C.

 

I've never noticed a diff either way since I haven't gone as far as anything high end/more than a few minutes, in which case I'd just use our schools render farm for.

No worries, that's what the edit buttons for, if "insert quotes" doesn't seem to work.

 

Why does everyone's school have a render farm? Half our laptops are better than the PCs I see in the schools down here

 

Well the systems at my grad school in SF had to 2 x 8 Core Xeons in the 3D/FX labs. Those system would turn into a pretty beefy render farm when no one was logged in or after school hours. Once 100 of these were pooled over, things got pretty beefy.

 

I am using displayport.
I have the monitor plugged into the quadro right now and I dont see anything other than other 8bit.

 

Might just a be a panel / revision limitation. I have a U2415 at work i think, and that is the only monitor that doesn't do 10bit. The other 2 Eizo's work just fine @ 10bit, over 2 x Quadro M5000.
The U2410 was one of the best prosumer monitors out there when it first came out, at least for the price it retailed at. I got mine last year off of ebay for $100 (with a faulty panel) and bought a new panel from Aliexpress for $60. Evidently the same panel was cherry picked and installed in Apple/Eizo displays.

 

Absolutely, I had one of those before, just was a bit small. I wish I had grabbed an U3011 for cheap.

It wasnt using a crappy W-LED backlight either.

 

Hell yeah. I was actually looking for the U3011 myself, but had to settle for the U2410 when i couldn't find a decent unit. But end of the day ended up being a pretty sweet deal.

 

Dedicated art schools/technology schools actually put real server farms to use lol, they're mainly reserved for seniors who do 1-2 hour movie projects this way it can finish on time.

 

I'd like if one of those would open down here.

Not like the idiots at the last school that had i7-3770s with 8GB of RAM...
... running 32-bit windows 7...

You read that right.

 

Believe it on thats generous lol

My undergrad school in India, had Core 2 Duo's running Maya etc, in 2008. With 2 gb ram

 

This was in 2013. In 2009 we had the same thing you had, core 2 duos with 2GB of RAM. And a gigabit school-wide connection... throttled to 2Mb for the ENTIRE school collectively except staff PCs.

 

My law school had i5s in the computer lab! my 2760QM had more power than those Dell's! But, it was mainly to do research, use office programs (light use), and to print (were given plenty of print credits).

I was actually working at that labs help desk and troubleshot many laptops while their owners were freaking out. I've never seen so many computers crashing from viruses....

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Really wish those were a thing in Romania...

Some renders take a lot of time to finish for me.

EDIT::: Romanian universities are running.... Dual core or quad core w2 gb RAM and GTX610 or reaaaaaly old quadro thingies for AutoCAD... Not strong.

 

Coding, compiling, rendering, etc was for these. Both the C2D and the i7s with 8GB of RAM and 32-bit windows 7

I don't think anyone's picked up on the fact that x86 OSes can't use more than 3.6GB or so of sRAM

 

Your lucky when i was taking 3D animation classes in 1999-2001 we were using SGI Octanes for Maya and can't even remember the specs for the 3DS Max machines but i know they had ELSA video cards, Think it was 512mb or 1gb of ram.

 

Dang. That must have been excruciatingly slow.

 

Slightly off-topic, but still fun nonetheless... my newfound method of fighting the cold after moving to a cold country which I plan to implement should I ever get the chance:

 

and here @Meaker@Sager and I are still rendering on our Amiga's ....

I bet @HTWingNut uses a comodore 64/128 at least...

 

@LunaP get well soon!

 

Back on topic... @Prema BIOS RC2 checking out OK at 4.8GHz... no AC, just fans.

Spoiler: CCC CPU OC