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As already confirmed. That's stock.

 

Found this sale, maybe it helps someone out!

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/lg-34-curved-ultrawide-freesync-monitor-34cb88-p

 

If looking at 30+ inch screens, consider a TV with HDR-10. Most don't have DP, unfortunately, but do support HDMI 2.0a or b, which should do 4k@60. (around this time, TV manufacturers are trying to clear inventory, so good deals going on)

On another note, I'm ready to see some of you get your scores on 2017 Div 1 Rd 1 to represent. Obviously, as users with LN2, cascade, liquid chillers, etc., get in their submissions, you'll move down, but still:

http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/roadtopro_challenger_season3_division1_round1

 

Excellent. Thanks mate! These monitors by LG are fantastic. Heck 75Hz for what it is...I'll take it...

 

I fixed this for yooo.
Even with better graphics scores, No thanks Chances are a portion will use their machine for more than gaming. Be completely locked to an i7 BGA who is removed by Intel as an option for LGA is a big no from me. Low binned trash should be put in the dustbin!! But Intel relive this silicon and rather sell them for use in these modern JokeBooks. For max price Hybrid or fully BGA... No thanks

 

Nice... I agree... VERY NICE. Quite the discount through MassDrop as well, but about 4 times more money than I will spend on a monitor. I'm in the sub-$200 range because I don't use monitors for anything except Micro$loth Office productivity connected to my employer-provided T430 piece of trash. I need the screen real estate for spreadsheets and side-by-side documents, but it's doesn't have to be dazzling to get the job done. Now... If I were using a PC desktop anchor for entertainment purposes I would definitely want something like that.

 

I found English proverb that I hope to learn https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/English_proverbs Remember I still try to learn more english It start like this... "Fire, quoth the fox, when he pissed on the ice." But I think this will fit better "Fire, quoth the fox @Mr. Fox , When he pissed on the JokeBook" Sorry of topic

So the main conclusions will be like this... Be careful with any overclocking of BGA hardware. It can be costly without extended warranty!!

 

There's another more modern saying that comes to mind..
" I wouldn't piss on it if it was on fire"

 

I would Or you risk...


Garbage can lead to death!! And I said it can be expencive

 

This one seems to be pretty close to the one on massdrop except it's cheaper... Not really sure of the exact differences other than the ports go side by side instead up and down.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/460908/34UM88C-P_34_Ultra-Wide_QHD_IPS_219_LED_Monitor

 

Wasn't it the imbeciles from Acer that told us they used BGA on the 21-inch "Predator" turdbook because they did not want it to catch on fire? Maybe they thought their mommy's estrogen pills were candy and ate a few too many. In 20/20 hindsight, I think "Prey" would have been a better name for that castrated piece of junk. Morbid obesity is not a legitimate substitute for muscle.

http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

 

Yea I understand and agree. For one the laptop is way too big and has so much room that not going LGA is unacceptable. Just stupid. It really is. Because with such a great GTX 1080 card, having it be nurfed by the CPU's limitations is just ridiculous. The reason is due to the size. If this was some thin laptop (you know the ones yall don't like haha) then I wouldn't feel the same, but because this has about the same if not more room under the hood than the 775 does, there is no excuse to not have an LGA.

So yes, it is counter intuitive to have such a great GPU paired with a limited CPU; for benching. However, there are other issues which I'll include in my review. Until then....long live the thought of, "If you're going to make a big@$$ laptop with tons of room under the hood then put a darn lga in there." Fools....

Haha that's great...

The first thing that pops into my mind is Donald's (HID) avatar pic of his pup pee'ing on the laptop. Have you guys ever looked closely at his pic? It's quite funny....great avatar.

I've been trying to see what the differences are as well. I think like most monitors, tv's etc... the model number is slightly different depending on the merchant. Because on Amazon, if this is true then it's actually cheaper at $640? LG 34" Curved Ultrawide FreeSync Monitor 34CB88-P

That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard from Acer. So they can make a $9000USD laptop and talk about all the cooling, yet they claim that they nurfed it with a mobile chip due to fire hazards? They've just contradicted themselves. Idiots. There is no excuse why the Predator should not have a lga. None. Let alone the price tag.

I would like to interview the people who pay $9000 for that machine. It's not to say that it's a bad concept, but that's like building the best tank and putting in a 4cylinder. The power to weight ratio is way off. SMH...

 

By far 3DMark brings in the entertainment value and it's surely the Hollywood of benches, but like you've said it's fun and for hwbot, points are points indeed.

The major thing that I've noticed about all these machines is the tolerance of how much of a hit it can take in a storm under stress, along with the integrity of the systems to be able to stand on their own two feet. - I've just thought of an excellent analogy, one in which tells the story very thoroughly. You'll definitely get this one.

A fully socketed machine is a house built on a rock.

A hybrid machine is a house built on gravel.

A bga machine is a house built on sand.

When the storm comes (petal to the metal / when these machines are put to the test under high stress) with rain and the floods come...the house built on the sand will wither away and at times so while the one built on gravel, while the one built on the rock remains standing.

This is so true for these different form factors. It's been nice to be able to really put all of these to the test, because proof is in the pudding.

Someone has to do it right?

I'm going to surely include what's stated above in my review...

 

@iunlock It was user error. The one I posted is not curved.

 

Until now we have only seen mild winds blowing, but I feel a storm is forming on the horizon...

 

You never cease to amaze me with your figures of speech, @Mr. Fox

At any rate, they should not have put a BGA in a 9000$ machine - for the sake of giving the user max power. I experienced max CPU usage in some games, even on 6700K

 

Some of us use only laptops / computers for entertainment - and that price is nothing to laugh at for the quality one gets

 

That would be a very interesting idea, but I only use DP for displays.

I don't own that model, but a cheaper - available in Romania - Dell U2515H. This one came with really nasty colors out of the factory, but after some tweaking I managed to get it under control. Not it looks quite amazing!

 

I tell people but people no listen

 

They really need to!

Games will only get more demanding as the time goes on. Even Deus Ex: Mankind divided can 100% load the CPU in certain areas of the game




By the way - this just crossed my mind - but for max and absolute max results on FireStrike and benchmarks in general, wouldn't you want to use an external monitor? I managed to improve me FS scores with a 8-10% or so (?). probably because there is more power available to the laptop - power that would otherwise have been used for the display.

 

So, quick question on Aquamark 3 - I'm getting a csdv.dll has stopped working error. Was wondering if someone could shed some light. This is on my Win 10 Ent. install. . . .

 

@Georgel

Wanna get a 3440x1440 Display too, but i'm very picky tbh, i don't do much or let's say "professional" Editing with it, but at least a good 3440x1440 Display with 100hz, with low input lag and low G2G would be nice, maybe some potentially inofficially OC to 120hz, Gsync is no use for me anyway. Still dunno if i should "testbuy" the CF791 or wait for X34P, after 7 yrs with mine i wan't something new, and since my dad bought a Dell Ultrasharp U3415W i wanna get one too, imho it's the perfect balance between standard and VR immersion due to 21:9, and yeah his GTX 780 still can play relatively modern games at 30-40fps and medium-highish settings and he's perfectly fine with it.

you using Windows defender or some other AV? I just did a "quick" search and the only thing that poped up was that it's malware but i don't know this "superantispyware.com" and it doesn't sound very trustworthy either sooo.

What you could do is check the Windows Event Viewer, maybe it sheds some light about the cause of crash

 

Just saw the 21X only has 2 dedicated heat pipes for the CPU, unless they are connected with the GPU heat sink, otherwise it might do no better than a 13 inches game book.

I don't mind too much they soldered a CPU in a thin game book, if they could use a Silicon Lottery graded chip or at least as good as the desktop one. But this is an insane 21 inches machine and has two 1080s...

In terms of maximum performance, 6820hk and 7820hk should be named 6680hk and 7680hk respectively instead, without confusing customers. But then I guess some consumers won't feel happy for the same cash they paid for only 80~90% of the performance of a desktop variant. Inn tel might just named them with a higher number and laugh silently: Now you got what you paid for (the titles)...

I got tricked by badly binned 4940 and 6820 before, the highest I could get them stable was 4.3GHz with insanely high voltage. At the beginning I could justified myself of saying that it doesn't matter much for gaming. But then later on when I saw people can clock a couple hundred MHz higher with the socket chips, I just felt it lacks of something and not satisfying.
When comes down to the road, it is not just about gaming or work load anymore. It's a pursuit of the highest performance (at least on par), it's about the joy of overclocking. If a person does not care about overclocking at all, then I guess a badly binned soldered chip will just do fine.

 

...404 "World not Found"...

Gonna be one'a those days...

 

But muh 21 inch curved display bruh.

 

Man I don't know about you all... but the inside of that thing looks like it's wasting a ridiculous amount of space.

 

I am using an AV, but that isn't quite the issue. I'll try event viewer and try it on my win 7 install.

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

dunno if you patched it already, but here is a patch in the hope it works out for you

 

I have not, but the version I'm using is from 2013 and this patch is from 2008. I may give it a try in a little bit. Thank you!

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So after looking at @Phoenix 's Raid 0, I decided to raid mine for a few hours before reverting back to single drives. I wanted to see how much slower Evo was to Pro. Vs single drive


Mine

Single Drive

Im guessing it has to do with the slower cpu as to why the slower speeds, but that is just a guess.

 

The common defensive theme seems to be 'it runs games fine' which is a declaration that doesn't sit well with me.

1. They're usually shooting for 60fps.
2. It runs today's games 'fine'. What about tomorrow's?
3. Their warranty has yet to expire.
4. Why not get a console if 'runs games fine' is the standard instead of watering down the PC experience.
5. Why pay LGA prices for BGA
6. Not everyone wants LGA just for gaming.

 

What a waste And what a crippled internal design. One of the worst I have ever seen. Two pipes for the BGA i7 I can now very well undestand why the Acer engineers said they have put in a max limit for processor overclocking They might as well have gone for a 6700Hq, as Razer.

I fix it for you And the Acerbook 21X is not worth more.

Same stripe size?

 

Thing thing would have been pretty special had it; socketed components, a reasonable price tag and a competent BIOS to boot. Externally it's impressive and unfortunately that's where it ends.
I guess it's just built for the bling factor. $9000 suggests its going to be the fastest machine one can buy to the average victim with money to burn.
They could have gone to town and put some serious hardware in that thing. I'd call it a missed opportunity but Acer know exactly the kind of buyer they're out to scam.

 

Cute, that little mobo lost in the middle...looks like they could have made a 15" 1080 SLI by using the same one.

 

Working on the different sizes now. Those were 128k@ 4.5ghz

 

Thanks. @Phoenix used 128K in the MSIBOOK. And in Clevo OC thread OP(2x950 Pro) I think was 64K.
2x950pro

You remember the first AW Echo models? Same MB for AWBOOK 15 and 17. This isn't new ideas But I think it's amazing that Acer engineers could put in 4 ramslots for 64 GB DDR4 RAM in this big machine Jokebook. Because this was too much for the new Alienware's

 

Me personally...I'm breaking the raid after I finish. No need to run raid if that's what it tops out at.

 

Here's my 1TB Samsung 960 for reference.

This is a hot run btw, which to me is what counts for obvious reasons...

 

NVMe RAID will do really well on things like 960 Pro when we get past the current DMI limit in chipsets and some nicer RAID controllers, I say. Then we can hit 5K+ Read/Write

 

Yeah, then. Not now And when this is possible, I think we have faster drives. Look at bro @Phoenix .... He will definitely upgrade to the next, faster SSD's once again The circle goes around and around

 

It sure does, as we can always count on something bigger and better in the near future.

Samsung with their new Polaris controller is here to stay for the next coupe of refreshes, so if there ever was a good time to upgrade or buy, it would be now.

Samsung already being the Worlds #1 is at minimum 3-5 years ahead in technology than even the closest rival according to experts.

Even pety Toshiba m.2 NVMe SSD's uses Samsung chips! LOL... it's not really Toshiba and people don't even realize that. The reason why the Read and Write speeds are so good in the toshiba memory is because they are SAMSUNG! Yet they are not as good as EVO, but close.

The Worlds tech is coming out of S.Korea and Taiwan, NOT japan. People need to wake up that jp is old news. Sony and all that is dead. No one cares anymore about Sony....it's all about Samsung, LG, NVIDIA, and alike.

Toshiba 512GB m.2 that's actually SAMSUNG.


Toshiba 1TB m.2 that is actually SAMSUNG.


Also the 1TB Toshiba m.2's are all Samsung chips lol...so now everyone can be enlightened in that it is Samsung who is behind the goodness, not toshiba.

I've just read an article in the Korean Tech magazine that talked about memory and it outlined the fact that the patents that are in place really keeps everyone else from trying to copy Samsung, however, even if they wanted to, they don't have the technology to make anything close to what Samsung can produce. (This is why even the Qualcomms SnapDragon CPU, who are a major cell phone/tablet CPU manufacturer has all their new chipsets produce by and made by Samsung, because Qualcomm does not have the technology for small nm technology.) ie...your cell phones are all powered by Samsung or LG in one way or another.

The only close 2nd is SKHynix, which is found in almost any high end computers (including Apple "you don't have to like them, but just recognizing how big they are as a company that's known for their quality components") and also in the stock RAM's that come in AW's and other ODM companies. SKHynix (Hyundai Electronic Group) is also a S.Korean giant and the 2nd biggest memory chip manufacturer in the World, next to Samsung.

Even the new Samsung 960 EVO line which is on a 3 bit TLC trumps any of the other memory manufacturer that uses 2 bit MLC. That speaks volume.

I would personally take a 960 EVO (TLC) over any other (MLC) any day. Just go look at the new Samsung 960 EVO m.2 NVMe performance and compare that to any other manufacturer that uses MLC.

There is a reason why the Samsung EVO 850 line is the most sold memory SSD's in the World.

Very interesting stuff... I'd like to also add that in the CPU and GPU segment, AMD might pull through with some unexpected surprises that may give Intel a run for their money so the next year or so will be very exciting indeed.

 

The benefits of MLC are longevity and sustained performance, though. 3D V-NAND in the 850 EVO/960 EVO/PM951/PM961 drives adds longevity and sustained performance even though TLC, but MLC drives are still generally better I'd say.

I will admit though that Samsung MLC 3D V-NAND is cream of the crop. I wish they'd innovate more in their SATA 3 drives... 850 Pro can certainly be upgraded I'm sure; drop in the controller and such of the 960 Pro and you're set.

A 960 EVO for a games drive would be pretty good tho. But that ain't happening anytime soon haha.

 

Longevity isnt much of a factor for the majority of consumers. People usually sell off their equipment long before the rated failure rate anyway. It use to be MLC drives were needed to sustain performance in heavy read/write but even the higher end mlc drives and mainly m.2 drop off in performance fairly quick when the real rubber meets the road with thermal throttling etc. I've tested large sql database and exchange information stores on 2x 2tb m.2 "pro" drives. Also tested some flat file data systems other clients use and performance drops off pretty fast. The benefit of the pro is "rated" warranty on longevity of accessing. If your lucky you'll get one replaced under warranty without hassle.

 

Ah yes.

See in the m.2 NVMe Samsung drives, the Pro series (MLC 2 bit per cell) have a warranty of 5 years, which is a lot!

So here's the breakdown:

Samsung 960 PRO m.2 NVMe: 5 Year Warranty

Samsung 960 EVO m.2 NVMe: 3 Year Warranty

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Samsung 850 PRO 2.5" SATA: 10 Year Warranty

Samsung 850 EVO 2.5" SATA: 5 Year Warranty.

The moral of the story is, either way you get the best in the industry.

 

Very true.

The new era of Samsung drives are leap years a head in technology though from the previous generation.

Most if not all of the major dot com servers all use Samsung drives, which are surprisingly for the most part TLC drives, which that in itself speak volume. The total TWD rating for even the consumer EVO line is insane, which again trumps over other brands MLC drives.

ie....buy Samsung LOL...there is no reason not to.

 

I just shifted my storage drive to a 1tb 600p M.2 ... once the 32Gb SLC cache is filled it writes slower than a 5400rpm HDD. And that's Intel - who owned the premium spot in SSDs for ages. It doesn't even have a working thermal probe FFS how budget can you get.

But it was cheap and I'm not going to feel the slug and mainly the GPUs are not bleeding heat through a 2.5" into the wrist rest area any more

 

To be honest, if the majority of consumers would set up a PC properly (pagefile on SSD etc) they would care. I've written about 5TB on my OS drive which I rarely actually do anything on and I haven't been using this drive for even a year yet. By contrast I've written under twice that on my gaming drive in the last three and a half years, which has undergone multiple wipes and multiple 100GB+ download sessions (especially with new games), with near constant program updates.

As far as I can tell, if sensitive data is on something or it's a scratch disk/recording disk, I'll toss an MLC drive at it. Anything else, TLC is all fine and fair game, methinks.

I have a problem with the heat and terrible design of M.2 drives on the whole, and I much rather SATA drives for most everything else other than maybe booting an OS or running some games off of (both do not generally get strained for long periods of time). I also dislike the both increased price of M.2 format AND reduced warranty of it. But since M.2 is going to be everywhere might as well get used to it. I just wish there were some non-NVMe MLC drives still being made. I know of none.

I don't know why people thought Intel was tops of the SSD market... ever. I've never seen evidence to that fact and I've seen quite a lot of evidence CONTRARY to that fact, even.

 

Very true brother.

Although the new m.2 NVEe's are awesome, for some reason I still do gravitate toward finding the security in SATA enclosures.

This is precisely why, although I did have a 2TB Samsung 960 PRO m.2 NVMe SSD, I've instead opted for a 1TB 960 PRO m.2 NVMe and have put my 2.5" Samsung 1TB 850 PRO SSD in my system for the important stuff.

I guess this is all just a pre-paradyine shift syndrome, but nevertheless, having an enclosure just beings that sense of security to the mix of things eh?

 

Yeah. I'm ready to finally use a Samsung for my OS drive. Plextor was my go-to back in the mSATA days with the M5M but the M6M is significantly worse and the later ones are just super expensive.

 

Yea, Samsung really has a grip in the memory market for sure and in every practical sense, it is worth going with a Samsung EVO or PRO. There is just no justifying it really to go with anything else, unless one is counting cans and saving up via recycling pop cans. Really...but even then the price is overly competitive on the new Samsung 960 EVO drives that it leaves even the other MLC's from other OEM's in the dust.

I'm very happy with my 1TB Samsung 960 Pro and 850 Pro... if data integrity is important to anyone, I can't see why not going with the best of the best.