Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

Knowing Clevo. Sure Ti is possible. Any other improvement however. Nope big freaking nada.

 

Oh, I forgot. Bro @Phoenix wouldn't touch Clevo before the driver download and updated drivers is in place A new socket beast with better keyboard isn't enough

 

Nope, but did look around to see if they were hiding around ces this year. Which they weren't.

 

Oh"well, Maybe more like SLIM Notebooks

 

There was a similar meeting last year.....

 

I finally took the plunge and unlocked my Core i7-4710MQ's multiplier:


I'm throttling like hell. Help.

 

How is my system holding up? http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11881318
Stock bios.

 

Try turning the speed down a tad lol, 4ghz is what the desktop chips ran at and it gets warm doing it.

 

The ultimate P870DM1, a five fans system.
The additional two fans are powered by the rear USB port, through a 3/4 Pin adapter and splitter cable.
These fans have negligible effect on the cores temp (1~2C), but help increasing internal airflow and improving temp under long section of stress testing or gaming.
They act like assistant fans in PC towers.

 

Wooooo, cray cray. Me likey @Coolane

 

You could see nice temp drops with that setup if you put it on a stand with high pressure fans blowing in.

 

Yep. Still keeping two 140mm fans blowing from underneath when I run heavy loaded program. I didn't see too much of temp improvement for the current setup though (about 2~3C).
But for my previous SLI setup (below 2nd picture), it's possible to have 5~8C dropped for both of my cards with the cooler running.


Now when I look back the previous mod, it looks a little bit hard core and too much, lol.

 

That suggests the air might not be following the best channel for cooling, it may be worth either looking at orientation of the fins or cutting small holes for the air to flow out.

 

Info for all of those of you who complain that ICD scratching die, and that you should avoid this thermal paste. Die withstand more than you think View from 4.10

 

Single GTX 1080 Benchmarks - 7700K @ 5.1GHz / GPU 2126 Core (+215), 1401 Memory (+600)


http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5592631

http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4567843

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12029614

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12029609

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11900720

 

Hmmm.... my P870DM3 single 1080 Notebook score beats the current best Ryzen 1800X single 1080 Desktop score in 3DMark 11. I haven't checked other benchmarks yet.

Not being able to overclock 1800X worth a darn would really suck. Even my physics score is much higher.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/12020716/3dm11/12029609

Edit: Ryzen loses in Vantage: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dmv/5592495/3dmv/5592631

Basically tied in Fire Strike using a Titan X GPU: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11896630/fs/11900720/fs/11399287

 

Did you have the you the voltage? Or just up the clocks and kept the card at sub 40C?

 

Still using stock vBIOS on my Clevo, so just keeping it as cold as possible until the @Prema magic comes.

 

The physics score of 1800x looks normal in Fire Strike, but the combined score is very low (significantly lowers the total score), seems like there is only one CPU thread was working.
Ryzen is still a little bit buggy at current state, with very high memory and L3 cache latency (80ns~100ns and 20ns).
If they can fix all these issues, I think I will still lean toward 8 cores 16 threads over high frequency 4 cores 8 threads.
I worry more about latency than the 1080p gaming performance that people complained about.
Silicon Lottery is going to release Ryzen tonight (6pm CST), let's see how fast the chips can go.

 

Gotcha!
I need to do a proper thermal pad placement once again. For some reason after I switched to a new vapor chamber heat sink 2 weeks back over clocks were running great. And since 2 days back I'm black screening out even at stock clocks running SLI.
Need to check what's up.
Max clocks I have been able to achieve on these 1080's has been 2025. Anything over and I have crashes. But then again those have been without the AC under the system. But let's see if new thermal pads help.

 

Yeah, AC cooling changes everything in a really good way. If I try even one benchmark run like those I posted without AC the scores are way lower and beyond one run things start to get screwy with black screens and lock-ups without AC. The latter part (not the scores) was the same for me with 200W 980 and with 980M. Something other than the core gets too toasty.

 

The core typically will become more stable with lower temps.

 

Getting the stand programmed

 

That is pretty much obvious.
Problem is the black screens at stock.
I'll re place the pads again this weekend. Something is probably not making contact.

 

What stand.

 

Dude, you keep forgetting, you can't plug in a Ryzen CPU into your LGA Intel motherboard; you're in the same boat, you have to buy a whole new laptop too.

New laptops for everyone!

 

It will be interesting to see what SKU separation SL can devise, with the narrow OC window.

AMD 1700 Boxed Processor with Heatsink (Available 6:00PM CST)
$ 329.99 Sold Out

AMD 1700X Boxed Processor (Available 6:00PM CST)
$ 399.99 Sold Out

AMD 1800X Boxed Processor (Available 6:00PM CST)
$ 499.99 Sold Out

 

I have taken my old coolermaster stand, placed two 140mm magnetic levitation fans in it and the controller you can see above. I then have sensors on the intake and outputs and I will get the fans on the stand to react to the machine.

 

Oh, I didn't know that But but... I think still OC'd 7700K will serve you well vs. a fully locked down [email protected] or the equal low entry Kaby [email protected]. I can smell the "fried" BGA silicon 3-4 years down the road

 

Aquasuite is awesome. I use aquacomputer fan constrollers to control and monitor my pumps, water temp sensors, pump and flow meters and fan control in all my desktop builds.

 

First they have to offer one. The only Ryzen CPU that I would maybe entertain as a possible option is the 1800X or whatever might come above 1800X in the performance food chain later on, but I have not seen any indication that any of the laptop manufacturers are planning such a configuration. There is a strong possibility that the two I have right now will be my last, so I might not care about it too much.

 

I am 100% sure that we at least going to see six core in one or another socket machine from Clevo, if not too distant future. I've seen info that 6 core low TDP Turd will come in BGA machines. We'll just wait and see.

 

With AMD it's almost tradition that you would get the 1700 and tweak it (ALA Barton 2400xp mobile, Athlon 64 X2 3200).

 

Is it safe to disable C-states? Is it better for performance?

What is the voltage value you'd set for static on a 6700K at 4.2 GHz?

 

Voltage values vary chip from chip.

Disabled C-states stops the CPU from clocking down under light loads.

 

Perfect.

What is the highest low value for static voltage that is safe ?

Like, I don't want to go for absolutely lowest value, but the adaptive with -100mV can go to 1,4 at 4.2 GHz .

This is normal ?

 

What's you use to attach the heat pipes?

Did you prep the surfaces (sand the black stuff off) first then paint it all once finished?

 

Yes that's normal, use small steps as you go up and you will hit temp limits before voltage.

 

Cool.

A good person helped me fix the temps...

80C at 4.0 GHz -100 mV adaptive, AIDA64 stability stress test, fans on max.

Increasing the multiplier to 4.2 causes the temps to go as high as 95C during the stress test. Will continue testing.

@Mr. Fox - you were so right. The Clevo BIOS is just awful.

@Prema Bios is the way to go and everybody should do their best to offer support this cause!

Disabling C states makes system much snappier and now the core dips are gone.

Anyone knew that Prema BIOS makes fans go much much better?

This is shocking to me!!! Even without max fans, I can safely run AIDA stability test and the auto fan profile adapts. Not to mention that it doesn't get past 85C in real world usage!

What is this?!

Prema BIOS is much much more than it seems from the outside! We really need to speak more about this!

The new fans even work for GPUS!!!

I can't even imagine what Prema vBIOS is able to do. There isn't a Prema vBIOS for 1080, no?

 

No, nothing for the GPUs yet.

 

I used Arctic Silver Thermal Adhesive to attach the heat pipes on the heat sinks.
If you don't mind the trouble, I guess soldering will provide the best thermal performance.
I sanded part of the black paint off that near the core areas, didn't do it completely because I was lazy, .
Then I used Tamiya TS-6 matte black spray to spray it back to match the default color.

 

I just want to say Clevo heatsinks suck and thank God for shims. I got my made in China. 5mm shim.. tested.. not bad.. but not great.. opened up and inspected things.. shaved a little more off... bingo. Now it's a bulletproof whore.

Some people may not know this. But CLU doesn't necessarily need to be cleaned off if a heatsink is removed. As long as the consistency is still liquid I usually just get a swab and liven up the spread and it's as good as new. I've done it a few times now.
Its actually really good for the GPU on the DM3 since I don't need to repaste with anything everytime I teardown and it's turned out to be quite a time saver.

 

What is the general long term usage clock for the GPU when using an 1080?

 

I run a basic +100 on the Core and + 150 on the memory and the Core clock is in the 1800+mhz in the 70s. I don't pay too much mind to the GPU clocks right now since the standard VBIOS takes all the joy away with its temperature based throttling algorithm. I feel like I'm in a walled garden. There's nothing remarkable for me to do without resorting to induce cooler air.
I can't wait to see what Prema's VBIOS will do in the future.

 

That is refreshing to know!

Thank you!

More observations on @Prema BIOS: I had a ton of problems with the base BIOS and Prema bios solved about all of them.

I spent so much time trying to fix the dips in the clocks caused by C-states!!! Prema BIOS has a setting and you can simply disable C-States! Man!

The system is snappier and responds much better to commands now. Also much better workflow for me, I can focus on my work better, this is exciting!

 

No more mouse problems?

 

Not a single problem!

I got only once random restart but I was pushing it too hard myself with madVR - pulled 100% usage frm GPU and switched the video playing - but that is a vBIOS problem rather than BIOS since the video driver can cause this sometimes.

But for real, the new bios solved about all the biggest gripes I had with this wonderful laptop!

The fans behave really nicely! I haven't seen this discussed enough, but they slowly spin up and slowly spin down with usage, so you don't get random fast spins, and there's no overheating and no throttling either! I ran the laptop through AIDA64 and there was not a single sign of throttling on the CPU at 4.0GHz and -100mV.

The best part is that disabling the C-states made the computer far more responsive / smoother.

 

No shim needed, just adjust the pads and the GPUs can sit flush to the heatsink.

 

Same here...No shims needed. Just had to put the pads on the memory and not the heat sinks.

 

john do you have a layout of the thermal pad thickness for 1080 sli vc to achieve optimum heatsink contact?