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"What's interesting, though, is that in terms of transistor performance, the picture doesn't look as rosy as the density picture that Intel provided. For instance, Intel says its first-generation 10-nanometer technology delivers only slightly more performance than its current-generation 14-nanometer+ technology, which is used to build Intel's latest PC processors today, and performs worse than the company's 14-nanometer++ technology that will be used to manufacture the company's upcoming eighth-generation Core processors.


IMAGE SOURCE: INTEL.

Even Intel's second-generation 10-nanometer technology, known as 10-nanometer+, is expected to perform slightly worse than 14-nanometer++. Only by the time Intel gets to its third-generation 10-nanometer technology, 10-nanometer++, will 10-nanometer performance clearly exceed 14-nanometer++ performance."

"However, one thing I was disappointed by was that Intel is comparing its 10-nanometer technology to competing "10-nanometer" technologies.

The reality is that Intel's 10-nanometer technology will probably have to slog it out with competing "7-nanometer" technologies in the marketplace, so it doesn't seem fair to compare Intel's 10-nanometer tech, which won't go into production until the second half of 2017, with foundry 10-nanometer technologies, which are in production now.

To illustrate my point, Intel's chief competitor, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company ( NYSE:TSM), has said that its 7-nanometer technology, which should go into mass production in the first half of 2018, delivers a roughly 1.63-fold density improvement over its 10-nanometer technology.

Intel's 10-nanometer technology should be, on an apples-to-apples basis, denser than TSMC's 7-nanometer technology, at least in logic, as TSMC disclosed that its high density 7-nanometer SRAM cell is a bit denser than Intel's. But things seem to get murkier for Intel's logic density leadership position in 2019.

TSMC also says an enhanced version of its 7-nanometer technology, known as 7-nanometer+, will deliver another 15%-20% logic area improvement over its 7-nanometer technology .

A quick calculation suggests that TSMC could be able to close the density gap with Intel's 10-nanometer tech once it gets its 7-nanometer+ technology into high-volume manufacturing. I'd expect TSMC to be cranking these chips out in mass quantities in support of the 2019 iPhone.

And, finally, Intel didn't provide any information on manufacturing yields. That the technology hasn't yet qualified for production, coupled with the fact that Intel is likely to keep the bulk of its processors shipments on 14-nanometer technology in 2017 and probably most, if not all, of 2018, seems to suggest that they're not great. "

Edit: My analysis - The TSMC 7nm+ is when TSMC is introducing EUV lithography (as it is when it will be available). GloFo gets it for production later, but that is fine. If GloFo is able to even approach the density of TSMC, then Intel has a LOT to worry about, as AMD's chips on this process will be competitive with Intel. That is 2019 volume shipping. If they have 2 years on this process node, which GloFo says is a FULL NODE, not a half node, Intel getting to 7nm later with more density in logic may not matter, especially if shortly after, or around the same time, AMD moves to the 5nm node. This is why I am saying that Intel has some issues coming up!

So, Coffee Lake will be the last good CPU from Intel until 2019 or 2020!

Edit: @Mr. Fox - Making the news over here... I here harakiri is popular for moments like these!

 

How does the cooling for a laptop TI work like since 1080 is running around 80C in normal room temp conditions?

 

LOL let me insert a Titan X into my P870DM3.

 

For people wondering about the heat issues here is the solution -

 

Happy April fools to you too

 

Did you steal this from my signature? LOL!!!

 

I most definitely did

Blasphemy! Even Wccftech confirmed it.

 

And we all know if WCCFTech confirmed it, it must be true!!!
https://wccftech.com/vega-teaser-slides-leak-nda/

 

That's exactly why I believe everything professional reviewers post on the internet or upload to YouTube even more than I do my own hands-on stuff. It absolutely has to be accurate.

 

Too funny. And they didn't even come and ask us first. Just thought they were scoping NBR.

When 1 or 2 just wont do...

 

Sleeping in was a great idea Fox:

https://videocardz.com/67796/mobile-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-spotted

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-notebook-gpu-performance-leak/

Now we will have to delete the entire inter-webs...

 

You guys broke the interbutts, now fix it.

 

Spoiler

 

LOL, yup. Glad it turned out much funnier than expected. Great example of why looking to the "news" media as a source for accurate information is not a good strategy.

The sad part is, the reaction it received makes it crystal clear that we all want this to be real, and not a joke. And, it's not likely our wishes will be granted.

That is hilarious.

 

Here the one from NVIDIA:

Spoiler

 

Can this make me breakfast also and wash my dishes?

 

Oh, I forgot to post a photo of the BIOS main screen.

 

only if you use a non bga system

 

man if this wasn't an elaborate april 1st joke.

 

The only thing I would wish is true is for a remake of the Penryn Blackbook.

 

Jesus christ lol.

 

Being an overclocker and wanting to pull the best score lol.

Not my picture, but still looks funny!

 

First time I really looked at GTX 1080 SLI vs Mobile 1080 SLI: START FROM 3:33



Are our laptops really that much slower than desktop 1080s? That's a huge difference.

 

Damn you bro @Mr. Fox. You Crashed my nice wet dreams. 1080Ti + [email protected] + 3000MHz ram and (as well 3x PCIe-NVMe slots with one Optane ready) would most likely saved @Phoenix from the BGA nightmare!! I'm pretty sure he would trade the Steelseries keyboard Who sits on the email machine for this combo

 

Yep

But the difference isnt all that much. I would say mainly because of the power limited GPU's in our systems.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11895731/fs/11561882

 

At stock it's more. I'm assuming it's because laptop cards don't have a max clock like desktop cards do. (At least that's how the 9XX series were).

 

Uuuuuh

My Redragon Karura works well for hours of typing

I generally think that @Phoenix is quite happy, everyone who has a strong system is probably very happy with it

 

With Pascal its a bit different. If the temps are low enough, and there i TDP headroom they will clock.

 

if the 1080 Ti wasn't a hoax would it be an odd physical form factor like the 1070?

 

Yeah, Clevo would most likely used the same new physical form as they have for 1070/1080 Wasn't the main reason for the new design intended for the future aka newer graphics cards?

 

Yes, but specifically for HBM2 on die. This is why there is such a spread between the holes!!! (I'm sure someone will turn that dirty!)

Edit: More on Intel's competition in the server market (TSMC):
"The 7nm HPC platform includes a new design flow being released in June as well as enhanced IP and process optimizations. It drove an ARM A72 to more than 4 GHz. The platform also supports on-chip magnetic inductors to create integrated voltage regulators."
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331489&page_number=3
So, if the laptops thinking of using ARM chips did this, what would you guys say (already knowing the answer)?

 

I mean I have read that M$ want phone chips in laptops(Windoze X out to all the people). And DELL will be the bell sheep for the new *amazing* tech. Nasty future

 

Well, at least this would make them suck ever so slightly less! Still, it is arm... But these 4GHz A72s are being looked at/used for servers, so...

 

I'm not interested in BGA chips. I buy a phone when I need it(if the phone I already have breaks). Don't bother with this tech. All BGA chips can be used for checking Email or web.

 

Well saw some have been able to cut laptop frames to make it fit. like the alienware m17x.

 

If ODM's force me to use a Dremel in my so-called upgradable laptop to fit new graphics... I go back to desktops. Why bother if they only will screw you? My money. If they want them... Offer what I want.

See DELLIENWARE... NO MORE MONEY FROM ME!!

 

It would need a new even bigger pcb layout as 11gb on gp102 desktop has 11 memory chips (or maybe 22 if they're on the underside as well) plus two power connectors plus extra vrms for 250W+. Mr Fox said it used both slots hinting at this... Unless his "Dev unit" is a first gen P870DM haha.

There is no way they'd have it ready to test so close after 1080Ti launch, unless they've been secretly developing a mobile Titan GP102 for many many months and had the board already. (E.g. Gecube are just testing their MXM 3.0b 1070 now, what, 8 months post Pascal launch?)

 

Maybe we will see a FRANKENSTEIN card before Volta? And yeah, We will most likely see a new DM1 case

 

This was an April Fool's joke. @Prema gave me a custom BIOS mod to spoof things. As much as I (and all of you) wish it was for real, it is not.

 

9K and the cpu overheats without custom fan curve.

Like wat...

 

anyone overclocking the 7700k already? havent seen much of it here... I wanna know what kind of un unvervolt (average undervolt) for around a 4.7 on all cores overclock would do.... Hoping for -150vm like i had on my 6700k running at 4.4.

 

If you want the best results, just use static voltage and choose the right amount. With 47x4 set static (Override) to 1125 (1.125V) and that should be in the ball park. Might need to go up to 1150 or might be able to drop it to as low as 1100 depending on your CPU and how warm the environment is. Hotter ambient temps usually requires a little more voltage.

But, yeah, tons of it in this thread. 5.0 to 5.2GHz benching, and memory between 3000 and 3333.

Here are some examples from last week.

 

Wow, overengineered... I thought it was just Photoshop

 

Some of both.

A simple display driver INF mod will call the GPU whatever you want it to be named in Windows, but it doesn't fix everything that needs to be tweaked in GPU-Z.

 

Hi guys this has nothing to do with overclocking but thought it was hilarious so I'd thought I'd share it. I'm in the process of setting up a couple YouTube channels and I wanted to see what people are using for their channel Descriptions. There were several catchy descriptions but this one was to the point. I quote Description

"This is the channel for Mr. Fox. Nothing else to tell. Please don't ask stupid questions."

CLASSIC!

 

http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/display.php?id=80734408534

Spoiler: Power and Thermals