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@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER


http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1956820



I really dont get TS and Physics scores, one test the GPU clock got locked to 1911Mhz after a crash, and the score jumped to 6326 :\

 

That's what I'm getting. It's a protected site.

 

Hey @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER a while ago I said the cutoff point was 45c-48c for 1911MHz, I managed to get a shot of it holding 1911MHz at 45c (I have two, it wasn't a spike, but just uploading one for now). I think 46c+ is the point where it drops; 48c gives me 1898MHz for certain.

Spoiler: the picture is kinda big

Edit: Nope, for me 48c is the cutoff point.

Spoiler: more pictures

 

Yeah, 3DMark is no longer a reliable benchmark tool. It is too inconsistent, especially Time Spy. It is not stable and there is too much variance between runs to be taken seriously. Fire Strike is also less consistent than it used to be and I still get random exit to desktop with program "stopped working" error message. It has pretty much become a buggy piece of bloatware trash that is geared more toward visual entertainment than a reliable assessment tool. I am thinking the random excellent runs both of us are seeing in the 3DMark suite are more likely just lucky errors producing nice scores rather than good examples of machine performance. For every amazing score I get, I see about a dozen that are lower with a lot of variance among them all.

 

Yep, it will do something like that along with a few other things I have seen.

Old posts of mine



Edit:
At 1949 it drops to 1936. And it's still holding at 70C
At 1936 it drops to 1924@76C and return once temp hits 72C.

So now you have your range.
42-47=13mhz
52-57=13mhz
62-67=13mhz
72-77=13mhz
82-87=13mhz

post: 10408703, member: 527343"]Ah gotcha.
Usually for me unstable clocks crash during the second half of the Graphics Test 2.

Those temps looks awesome though.[/QUOTE]

 

Oh yeah, I understand this. I was simply referring to this post of yours here where you said the throttle starts at 42c, but for me it starts at 48c: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...d-feedback-thread.806161/page-2#post-10550300

I thought it was in here but it seems it was in another thread, so I was wondering why I couldn't find the post to quote xD

I didn't check however if it needs to go below 42c again to return the speeds, I just checked what the throttle point to go below 1911MHz was for me (GPU was stock). I can't check now either; it's way too hot, shortly after I made those screenshots my GPU went into the mid 50s in the same area because the morning got rapidly hotter. My best low-temperature shots happen between 3am and 7am haha

 

You are right, now that I go back and read it I should have said it returns at 42C and trips at 47C

In the first video it trips at 37C, but would have returned at 32C

 

@Prema, Whatever happened you have a family here, We are always there for you, Please don't abandon us !!
We need your love, else everything that we stood for will be fallen into chaos .. " Without Love, no object can give you real happiness !"

Fingers crossed..

 

I would give Prema some space. He did get his work leaked again across the Internet, that betrayal had to hurt.

 

With this development, what does it mean to those who purchase their unit on prema partner shop expecting to have the bios?

 

Indeed. We live in a world overrun with selfish, dishonest and sick people that think nothing about lying, cheating and stealing from others to promote themselves. I bet there will be a special place in hell for such a sorry lot. It's not limited to what happened to Prema. It's just one example of rampant and common dishonesty, and it's really sad.

See this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-663#post-10550039

Unlike those who have harmed us all by their acts of betrayal and dishonesty, Brother @Prema is a man of his word. He is faithful and your personal purchase choice will not be affected by whatever changes he needs to make to protect himself in the future.

Don't assume that because your KM1 does not have a BIOS mod that there will not be one coming. These things take time to do them right and he needs a system to work with to do it right. If you want sloppy work and stuff that can brick your system and malfunction, it's not hard to push that kind of slop out the door. Prema doesn't do that. Please be patient and good things will follow. (I know that waiting is hard, especially considering the performance impairments Clevo has baked into the KM1 firmware.)

 

No problem for me just a little concern if this community lose a guy like prema, it would be a catastrophe. You guys are the one that makes this forum interesting & fun to follow and make the clevo laptop worth buying.

 

Thank you for the kind words.

Prema is alive and well... firmware modding wizards never die, they just get smarter. He is wiser and more cautious now because of the lack of integrity demonstrated by a few rotten apples that almost spoiled the whole barrel.

 

@Mr. Fox
Please tell Prema, that it takes 100 screws and bolts to build a mansion, but just 1 nut to make the hard work come crashing down.
Please remind him of this, and remind him to never get discouraged by the actions of nuts, because all it takes is ONE honest person who really appreciates the work you do, to have a true friend.

Unwinder was almost forced out of MSI Afterburner for the similar kind of thing.

There are enough good people in this forum who keep their word when asked.

 

Not to sound insensitive but doesn't this situation present a strong argument against buying laptops with a custom bios from resellers? We have a single person making bios versions for several resellers: as a consumer how am I guaranteed that the bios for my model will be maintained. Where do I get updates etc? It's similar to that hit by bus/win the lottery scenario that organizations try to avoid.

 

Oh thats sad, for me it says that its offline =( and that i need to ask permition to see the blog content =x

 

sorry to sound a bit perplexed right now and emotionless, but after some days not really logging in here due to work etc and reading that @Prema is gone? I read some of the previous pages ofc, well... it's very good to hear that you are well @Prema and thanks for everything, like others already said and like i say almost everytime i love you and your work, you are a blessing for us people who really enjoy your art you do for us <3, really sad to hear it, but yeah if you need something you have us. Like i said still pretty shocked somehow but looks like my P775DM3 will be put in a glasbox after her live is over with a big Premalogo on it just to remember it

 

Is there any mirror or website that i can download prema bios ? my w650sj needs the prema V1 and i cant enter into his website anymore =(

 

I understand your point and If that's a concern for anyone then buying a laptop with a custom Bios isn't for them. There's plenty of resellers that have a stock, from the factory, Bios, and if that's what you're interested in, great. The resellers that offer a Prema Bios are offering a boutique type item. The guys that purchase this hardware are not interested in stock anything. I think that's why we're in the over clockers lounge to begin with. Most of these guys would never buy an off the shelf type item. It's overclocked and overvolted. That's why there's a NEED for guys like Prema.

 

My concern is more that's it's maintained by a single person that being a custom Bios. For example, I wouldn't be as worried if it was open sourced on github or something similar...

 

Its just sad that this guy just closes his website without saying anything, just goodbye while he knows that lots of users need his files =(

 

Its his work, no one is entitled to it. He can pull it out whenever he wants.
Its not about, if people NEED IT, its just that people WANT IT. And if more people showed a level of respect and appreciation towards his work , this would just not have happened in the first place.

There is nothing to be maintained with these final release BIOS's , he will always honor his commitment with the Partner Shops.
And those custom BIOS, that just like i stated above, people WANT, but dont NEED. Half of the people dont even know how to use then properly.

 

But why it happened? whats wrong? im new here and i still dont know why he did it.

 

That is something he will need to clarify himself.

 

Got it ! well thats sad anyways, i do really apreciate his work, and i just bought my laptop ONLY because the PREMAMOD.

 

If you got it from a LEGIT Partners (Like HIDE, obsidian, LPC etc) they should be able to take care of you on that front. Personal Mods however are pretty much a thing of the past now.

 

Ive got it from Avell...but anyways they will not provide me it i think.......lets wait someone that have the same model as me give me the link for downloading.

 

Sharing a non public version / release is against the TOS/TnC.

 

Its not a non public version, it was on premamod website for everyone.

 

Not any more. Only option is where you purchased the machine. No one share mod firmware before this is agreed with the author of the mod.

 

Hummm now i got it!!! Still sad hahaha

 

The only argument that it presents is that without Prema, there are no more laptops worth buying. The reason for this is stock OEM laptops always suck with stock BIOS, and that has been the case for many years. The only effort put forth is to cripple their notebooks and make them run like a piece of crap.

There's nothing to "maintain" when it's done right. A good BIOS never needs to be updated. There's no point in updating it. And, if you do update it, chances are great that doing so will make it suck afterward... ESPECIALLY if it comes from the OEM. Updates are only necessary when the people releasing them don't know what they are doing and chasing bugs created by firmware engineering incompetence.

 

Agreed! without prema those stock ****ty laptops will be the only option and its the worst part of it! i personally hate laptop bios....they almost always have NOTHING useful.

 

I just noticed that the Prema Mods website is down. A great loss to all of us, and the fact that even the previously publicly-available mods for the old W2, W3 and P1, P3 and P5 gens are all unavailable now. A great pity that there are people out there with nothing but themselves in their minds, without a gram of humanity left in them, without gratefulness. @Prema, I've donated twice to your machine, and I'd gladly do it several times over if it means you'll come back.

 

While it's true firmware generally requires less maintenance than software, there are always new features that can be added. I'm just trying to point out the benefits of a community based open-sourced approach that can relieve the pressures (and single point of failure) on one developer trying to meet everyone's demands.

In the end though, you are correct: it's the personal decision of the the developer on how they want to distribute their work and we have to respect that.

 

I think some are forgetting that these individuals like @Prema choose to do this because they are amazing. They don't have to cater to any of us and nobody has to use their firmware. There should be nothing but a gracious appreciation for what they have to offer when they have to offer it and at any point if they want to offer it. Maybe I'm just reading this thread wrong, but, at this moment, I can't say I blame him for the hiatus...

 

Then I say, let the open source community have a go at it. I doubt there are any open source community developers that can even approach what Prema has done, and can do.

 

Nobody seems to appreciate just how esoteric embedded development is, even when you have access to the relevant datasheets and schematics and don't have to disassemble and reverse engineer existing code.

 

Here's some fresh @Prema Magic.

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1969942#

 

A few more thoughts... When somebody does firmware mods for a living, a community based effort isn't going to work and things have great potential to end up being even more of a mess. You don't want more cooks in the kitchen doing BIOS mods and the chances of people ending up with bricked or malfunctioning machines is a whole lot greater when you have too many spoons in the pot.

With @Prema firmware mods (now exclusively available from PremaMod Partner Shops with the purchase of a machine from those shops) the customer has the peace of mind that it is covered under their warranty with that vendor. Customers would not have that warranty benefit with a community based effort and there would be nothing to distinguish the products sold by those PremaMod Partner shops from other sellers of the same product. PremaMod Partner shops are generally a cut above the rest and take greater care to ensure what they are selling works right. Their exclusive firmware from Prema is the icing on the cake. We don't want to see that diminished with buggy shareware BIOS mods. We want to see that investment protected so people that care about owning the best have an incentive to avoid vendors that are not PremaMod Partner shops.

There are also some highly proprietary tools involved that not everyone does, can or should have access to. American Megatrends, Insyde and other BIOS manufacturers are extremely selective about who has access to their special tools and having them in the public domain will never be in the cards with them. In fact, if they got leaked they would likely take decisive actions that makes mods more difficult in the future and probably seek legal remedies against those who are not authorized to posses those tools. Now that firmware is protected by signature cancer filth this is even more true than it ever has been before.

 

@Prema please blog your experiences.

If people have ripped off your work I want to know so I can contribute to appropriately shaming and name-blackening whoever is sharing or profiting off the derivatives of your work. I would imagine I'm not the only one here.

It will also feel better to get what you have to say off your chest.

 

Sorry dude, but for me Prema went too far in commercial. It's not same as it was few years ago. And your text is so long that makes this commercial... meh... boring to read? I'd say propaganda and forcing people to buy from only few resellers (where most are from US/Canada...).

Write more about avoiding all non-Prema partner resellers etc (they are worse and other crap)... I wouldn't be myself (sorry got a bad day today) if I wouldn't say: how much money you get for writing such stuff?

For me, that idea is pretty dead.

And... icing on the cake... sorry only dumb US Citizens (sorry don't want to be rude) can accept such crap. It's cool, fine. Useful, fine. Awesome to have, sure. But icing on the cake? Come on, it's a ad for a child?

I'm here reading everything for years. And I see stuff changing. And I can't believe that people are really dumb to change evil with other evil. And I see gold mine for pew people over here... and a sheeps that will say like in Futurama "shut up and take my money".

 

I'm not entirely following all of that but I think the relevant issue is that kudos alone doesn't pay the rent.

If Prema charged a subscription based model and ran a paid-end-user-only service and forum, I'd be all for it.

I think he's experienced a very common thing in the tech world. Give something away free for long enough, people not only come to expect it... but actively push back when told the free gravy train has a final stop.

 

So that i have thought. No good but i hope he will find some way to protect his work.
Good to know that he is still in game.
Is he now still working still on KM or he started P6XX?

For your response it seems like little propaganda... The bad thing with Prema partners is that the st of them are in North America while other regions were until recently screwed? Fortunately EU have 2 or 3 sellers so situation is better here.

By the way my latest score from my RS with still crippled BIOS
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1964200

I plan to go LM for CPU in near future.

 

Hi Everyone!

I am afraid too much has happened as to still being able to point into a single direction as to why I had to pull the plug for the time being.
What I am feeling right now are the combined consequences of a life experience that I would rather not have had in the first place if given the choice again.

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Was it too much to ask for people just to be happy with receiving my work for free for an optional donation?
Instead they had to start reverse engineering private betas and post tutorials on the net a week BEFORE they where even ready for public consumption. Tutorials which are used until today (even though being pulled from half a dozen places) to advertise and even sell stuff for clicks. No you din't unlock the stupid Aptio V chipset menu by yourself, you just read a tutorial based on my 2015 work.
What an accomplishment...oh what a great haxor you are!

Back then as a direct result I stopped uploading public mods for the masses and I of course I was the 'bad guy'!

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Was it too much for a 'partner' NOT to extort for some 200$ from each customer, behind my back and under the umbrella of 'warranty coverage'?
An amount which already exceeds what I am given as a total for my complete mod, no matter how many thousands of systems the re-seller is using it on.

Suddenly I was called the 'greedy guy' and again people took it out on me!

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Was it too much to ask a Partner Shop to compensate me at all for my custom work or another partner at least a year AFTER receiving my work?
Two other partner went out of business before compensating me as well, but well life just happens and I supported them till the end.

So yeah if you think I've run away to make the big bucks, then I have to disappoint you as well.

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Was 7 months not time enough for a partner to ship me a KM1 board (even paid for by a third party) in order for me to be able to remove the low level board throttle for everyone? Or was it just tactic to prevent others from receiving the mod while making their own behind my back?
We shall see soon...
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These are just a few examples of things happening behind the scenes...there is much more I rather not talk about at this point.

I am very grateful to the 1% of you out there that did support my work, many of which have been very generous indeed (You know who you are!).

Unlocking a system BIOS takes mere Minutes and can be done in a lunch break.
That's exactly how we started back in 2011, but that's NOT what premamod is about in 2017. No matter what you unlock in a Clevo P-Series BIOS, no matter how high you raise the TDP of your Pascal vBIOS, you won't see the performance improvements you hope for, it'll will just begin to throttle even more...You don't get plug'n'play support for new GPUs by using a magical tool and you can't upgrade to a new CPU generation by simply adding a microcode.
I work hard since 2011 to make Clevo systems the best they can possibly be, I invested tens of thousands of unpaid man hours to help everyone.

I am 100% behind my honest partner and will neither disappoint them nor the end-user out there that could not purchase from a partner shop. But we have to ensure Clevo & NVIDIA know the difference between the bricks that come-in from the firmware flooding the net and the 'premamod project', or all of us will have to pay the price.
Now I need you to stop fighting and be patient, so we can prepare for all of you whatever comes next...

PremaMod is NOT dead and just like the Phoenix will rise from his ashes time and again!

With love and respect!

Prema

 

Sorry dude? meh....Boring to read? Propaganda? How much money you get for writing such stuff? Grow up and show some respect! I know @Mr. Fox personally. He gets zero, zilch, no money for writing what he thinks. @Prema got his work stolen, end of discussion. The dirtballs that do that need a beating. Period!

 

I suppose that you didn't even spent a second thinking about this "commerzializing" having been an after effect because some dudes stole away Premas work several times and sold them for their own wallets?

If you say, it should remain open source then please sit down, program something useful and share YOUR efforts with the community! And when you realize that YOUR work has been reverse engineered by others which are making money with it, then there's nothing to complain, right?

Gesendet von meinem ONEPLUS A3003 mit Tapatalk

 

Great Dear@prema, i feel sorry to know that it all happened to you, be sure here from brazil i will be able to support you anytime you need or want with donations and apreciation! You re the best and im just sad that it all happened, i know how it feels bro! Take your time and Keep rocking we love you be sure!

 

I didn't said open source anywhere.
Just this system isn't good and is favoring few resellers (most from same continent to be clear). Use your brains guys.

@CaerCadarn please point me exactly where I said anything about OpenSource. Read my text again, you pulled it blindly from context (forgot about resellers topic?).

I would have to be complete idiot to order laptop in US (with pathetic 12 months warranty and pay second import TAX [23% value]) when I live in Europe (and minimal warranty is 24 months, I always buy additional 12 to get 36m warranty if possible). And the only reseller here, is about 30% overpriced. It's a big, not funny joke. I'm talking only about it and propaganda made these resellers. It's good time to change it.
That's why I laugh at such propaganda talking about "this super pro good awesome resellers with premabios and rest are peasants". I don't like when someone threats other like a trash (same with BGATurdbook crying, I don't like it either but MXM can't be upgraded too atm so if you don't like just don't buy it - but don't insult people with being dumb for buying it and not overprice 500$ on same MXM config).

 

Nobody owes you anything. If you don't like the current situation then write your own BIOS, buy all of the kit to flash your chips, and distribute it to the world open source.

To sit there and judge somebody else who has contributed a great deal more than the rest of us just because you don't like how the chips have fallen is despicable. He has gone through a lot to offer his work and people continue to force him into more restrictive settings. People who have little respect and feel entitled have caused this to be as limited as it now is.

This forum is typically a very pleasant place for discussion. Right now, I'm finding it very difficult to maintain a level conversation by how a few people are acting about this.