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Blatant Lies, just to make his crap sell more & yeah It's working. Says below 100 no throttle & 88C is safer ?
Pascal knows what is Throttling haha !! & Irony is Azor is worse than Ngreedia, and people still buy that trash which is like rotten from inside looking cool gamerboy in$tagram clickety-clack outside with that giant arse, No wonder we are fighting a lost war here, Even with Svl7's history of winning countless battles over time & Prema's present battles along with his NBR comrades trying to tell the world about how reality looks like. Alas !! The stupidity beats smartness, Whatever repaste or mods one does, the core fundamentals of the system is trash & investing in that kind of a product ? Never !!

As we all know - "Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" & Also the great "The Emperors new clothes" & the irony here again is nobody is pointing at the emperor even the little child this time, they also started to wear those new clothes LOL...Welcome to the new world !!

SMFH.

 

Basically you can do a three contact point design but:

A) The spacing is more sensitive to core height and design.
B) The tolerances need to be tighter.

I have the extra cache on mine giving a much larger contact area which may be helping.

 

I'm super glad I did not waste any money on an eGPU like I was thinking of doing last year. Better than Intel graphics for the laptops cursed with that, but seems to be a pretty big hit on performance. Having the GPU on the inside seems to be the only right way to do it.

As usual, JayzTwoCents is on point and useful, while Linus is mostly entertaining, making excuses for Razer's lameness... like a typical fanboy.

 

Yeah these eGPU's are for systems like my AW 17R4, which has a GTX 1060, and i can use a 1080 with the AGA for way more of a performance gain vs cost. Any systems with the 1070 and up its a waste of money IMO.
Im glad i did the tests using the TB3 HDK, (which i still have in case i need it) , and realized that not only is there is a pretty decent performance hit (might be good enough for casual gaming) , but with beefier GPU's its not worth the investment. At least the TB3 solutions.

 

The Alienware graphics amplifier doesn't have much of a hit compared to all these TB3 solutions.

 

Yeah same with any mPCIe / PCIe / m.2 based solution.

 

If only someone did a comparison between all three solutions.

 

The mPCIe solution that i compared the TB3 HDK with, performs exactly the same as the AGA, if not better. The TB3 HDK performs the same as the Core.
This was the thread -
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-g-gtx1080-tb3-hdk-pe4c-v4-1-m-2-ngff.796773/

 

Oh yeah I forgot about that, if only out laptops had an external slot lol

 

And you are ready for giving Dell your hard earned money in exchange for their AGA? Maybe they can offer you a cheap graphics as well.

 

Well unless i get the AGA for < $100, im not buying one
End of the day might as well use that GTX 1080's that are sitting on the side gathering dust.

 

Don't push it to hard. It could be stressful for that Intel Hq

 

Thats where you are wrong, i cant push it hard. Even if i want to. Thats the Magic of the Intel HQ xD

 

Key concept here is "not as much of a hit" compared to TB3. The other down side is the proprietary nature of the AGA and the fact that it only works with the anemic turdbooks made by only one company. They pitched the AGA as a good idea and presented it as if one could expect the same performance as a desktop with any given GPU and that is simply not accurate. While "not as bad" you still take a hit on GPU performance and at the end of the day you're still stuck with an expensive but crippled BGA product that runs hot (CPU and SSD) and overclocks as poorly as the rest of the disposable BGA trashbooks that it competes with. That approach has got compromise written all over it, inside and out, up one side and down the other. In other words, ranking junk in the order of its magnitude of junkiness doesn't make it not junk.

 

Yeah its not the best of implementation IMO. But its does provide similar performance as if the GPU was being used in a desktop, but the keyword being, at STOCK.
Which really doesn't mean much to and for users like us.

 

The AGA is a direct PCI/e connection so feel free to toss a 1080Ti in it and get basically full performance, no?

As far as I know, the performance hit is negligible. @tgipier did testing with his Titan X Pascal using PCI/e 1.1 x16 (which is about the same bandwidth that the AGA will offer) and noticed maybe 1 frame of difference in a few tests, and basically the same scores in benchmarks. Of course benching on a PCI/e 3.0 x4 connection is not going to eke out the last few points of score, but the performance drop as I've come to know it should be negligible.

As for why the AGA only works with one company, it's because it's proprietary. You could use M.2 NGFF-based solutions but that's a lot of work for an end user (you could ask bloodhawk about that) and requires wires running out of the laptop itself, which is not travel friendly or an easy to apply situation. Remember the MSI GS30 Shadow that @Meaker@Sager was using for a bit? That was also proprietary and as far as I remember he got good scores and gaming out of a Titan X Maxwell in it.

The long and short of it is, until laptops start using a M.2 x4 slot that can be plugged into from outside the laptop, possibly dedicated entirely to eGPU (which I don't even know if it will limit other NVMe drive slots in the laptop since I was told here before that Intel only allows 3 M.2 PCI/e slots with Kaby Lake and only 2 with Skylake, and Ryzen doesn't even have nearly enough lanes for something like that in the chipset) and then a standardized solution meant to plug into that. And then for a perfect implementation a reboot will be required since Windows is still so backwards that it cannot change the primary graphics adapter without rebooting, unlike OS X and possibly Linux (I'm not sure, but since macOS is UNIX based and at least some Linux distros are UNIX based, Linux should be capable of doing it too... that's as far as my knowledge extends on Linux with this matter though).

Or you get proprietary situations like the AGA and MSI shadow adapter.

 

Simple answer nope. Not as simple.

Long answer the lane get saturated when you are pushing a **** ton of frames @ 1080p/1440p. But at that point we are talking 120+fps.

 

Interesting, I'll ask @tgipier to do some 1440p high FPS testing with his GPU at 2050MHz between 3.0 x16 and 1.1 x16 (same bandwidth constraints)

 

yeah I think he did do some a while back. Not sure what those covered exactly.

 

He did some but that was before he watercooled his card, so the speeds were quite a bit lower etc. So this time I'll get him to do some 2560 x 1440 unlocked FPS tests; a couple synthetics first then some games.

 

I follow up my own reply regarding Silicon lottery changed Liquid metal brand. I posted a few questions regarding their change of liquid metal on their support and has now received feedback on my questions... You're welcome

 

My open-air laptop(870DM1) and lightly modded U3:

Temperature after constantly loading 230W for 30 minutes. Max fan on, environment temp 72F, no AC.

Updated scores of daily clocks (fully stable in Heaven and games):
FS: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13066212
FSU: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13142929

 

^ oh yeah, Nvidia was telling me a 1070N can't pull 200W+, because that's more than the desktop card was designed for even.

 

The GS 30 had a full 16x gen 3 custom connector so mostly you were bound by what you could do with the CPU which was about 3.5ghz at load.

 

GS30 is the way to go!

 

I think my motherboard just gave up permanently, T_T. It shut down suddenly when I was setting up the voltage curve in Afterburner, and no longer can be turned on again (here's the video of how it looks: ).

I took out the main and the cmos battery to do hard reset, didn't work. This happened after yesterday(12 hours later) I loaded 230W(only through MXM) for 30 mins in Furmark. I am doubting the motherboard power delivering unit has aged and died.

I am debating should I replace the motherboard or just move on back to desktop...

 

Running Furmark for 30 minutes may have killed your GPU. Do you have another GPU you can install to see if it will boot up without the current GPU installed?

 

I only have one card now, sold both of my 970Ms.
If the GPU has died, I think the power light indicator wouldn't look like that in the video?
Also, none of the USB ports can be powered up, and the mechanical hard drive was not spinning.

 

If your mobo just poofed on its own, then that almost certainly isn't your fault.

Do the 1070Ns not use a connector on KM1? Somehow I thought they did, interesting.

 

I might just consider it has been sacrificed, lol.
It's the DM1, the first-gen machine. And I put the MXM MSI 1070(no power connector) in it.
@bloodhawk kindly warned me several times before about the danger of loading the card just through the MXM port, but I didn't listen to him, lol. I guess I was too confident of my cooling solution.
Then I forgot how fragile the motherboard can be.

 

Oh, I thought I saw KM1. Not like the outsides look any different...

 

My deepest sympathies go out to you and your family. I offer you my thoughts, prayers and well-wishes during this dark time in your life. May God give you the peace that you seek. I can’t imagine what you must be feeling right now, but I want you to know that the Clevo community are just a message away. My heartfelt condolences. Please keep us informed of the trash day. As a good gesture, a 3-minute silence is a must for this tragic event.

A prayer, a flower, a candle and sad tears of pain on the grave, our dear Clevo laptop… R.I.P

 

I agree with all of that. Amen.

Edit: Except for the trash day part. Please don't throw away the leftovers. Send them to me if you don't want the leftovers, LOL. I'll even pay for the shipping.

 

Thank you so much for giving out your praying, Stress Tech!
I will feel warm all the time in my heart even my DM1 has been cold.
I don't feel too bad indeed, I was aware of the consequence of extreme overclocking. I had been enjoying modding the DM1 from the beginning. I would have done that again if I was given the chance.
I will keep you guys updated of how it goes.

Thank you, Mr.Fox, .
If I decided to move on to desktop, I am going to sell out some major components. What's left that I don't need, I can mail them to you for sure!

 

Maybe it's something simple, like a blown capacitor or burned out MOSFET. Even if it needs a mobo, you cannot build a desktop of any quality for the price of a mobo. You cannot even buy a better CPU or GPU for the price of a mobo.

 

After everything sold and done, he might actually be able to get a pretty decent 6-8 Core rig

 

Maybe so, but it would still be cheaper to fix what he has if it only needs a mobo or mobo repair.

 

Most definitely.
But if it was me, i would just say **** it. HEDT's here i comeeeeee ....

 

You can have both @Coolane Stand on

 

Timing is not the best at the moment. Better to wait and see if Threadripper overclocks as well as Intel Extreme HEDT CPU for less money. Otherwise, buying the best Intel HEDT CPU is going to cost a lot more than the Threadripper 16C/32T. I wouldn't spend any money on a Ryzen 7 because I have seen zero evidence that they do not suck at overclocking. If Threadripper doesn't take the crown on the HEDT overclocking, just the CPU, motherboard and a 1080 Ti is going to run over$2,000.

 

Can for sure, but do we need both ?

Im already moving to wards the dark side Mwahhaaha

Yeah that is a very important point. Right now is now the best of times to get HEDT parts.
But then again, not everyone gets HEDT's only for overclocking. For examply, my 2 x Xeon based workstation is only used as a render station, and my main desktop is running a 6850k @ 4.6ghz for 24/7 use, while most other users are running theirs at most at 4.2-4.3Ghz. And dont really care about anything higher.

 

If I cannot overclock the ever-loving snot out of it and enjoy benchmark scores that stomp the life out of what the gamer-boy masses are doing, then I swiftly get bored and lose interest in it. I just don't see any point in spending much money at all on owning something ordinary. That's why I'm not excited about Ryzen 7 1800X. If it won't overclock worth a damn and everyone can expect essentially the same ho-hum cookie cutter experience, then it stops being something special real fast no matter how good it might actually be. If I wanted ordinary, I would shop for open box/return/display model crap at Best Buy and clearance items at Walmart. But, I know I am different than most people in this respect. The same thing even happens once I begin to plateau on something extraordinary and I can't beat my own benchmarks, but it takes a while to get there. At least I can enjoy it for a good while rather than starting out with something ordinary and boring as soon as I open the box. It's the conquest and victory part that I enjoy most.

 

If Threadripper 16C/32T can't do a proper overclock... Nothing from AMD will interest me for desktops(same for laptops).

Regarding laptops... If what I have seen of info aka the new 6 core 8700K (who maybe will be used in next Clevo) is true, it will perform lower than the locked R7 1700 in the new Asusbook.

Stock Intel i7-8700K will be on par or a bit over Ryzen R5 1600X. 30% performance increase over Kaby as advertised can bearly compete with Medium Ryzen.

Then, what's the point with laptops with socket hardware? Intel HEDT and home build desktop here I come!!

Intel to Launch Multiple Six-core CPUs on Coffee Lake Architecture

"A report from Canard PC claims that Intel will thoroughly revise its CPU lineup for the Coffee Lake architecture, with an i7-8700K six-core, 12-thread processor being the top offering. This 8700K is reported to deliver its 12 threads at a 3.7 GHz base clock, and a 95 W TDP. These are comparable to AMD's Ryzen 5 1600X processor, which ships with the same six cores and 12 threads under the same TDP, though it has 100 MHz less in base clock speed." Rumors, yeah I know. But Intel said up to 30% performance increase vs. Kaby. This doesn't make up against Ryzen in mainstream who will be used in notebooks.

 

My question is this, how long are people like us willing to over pay for common ,and easily acquirable for desktops, processors/hardware? On top of that willing to fix so many hardware defects?
I personally am sick and tired of this, like so many others.
I can build a way better desktop rig for far less cost, that even overclocks way more, runs cooler and is more flexible. With the weight of these DTR's getting heaver with each generation to be able to keep up with the cooling requirements, there will come a point where carrying them every day will just be plain stupid. I for one haven't taken my DM3 off of my desk even once. (by that i mean out of the house)

 

For me would a proper power beast of a laptop being a better option. I take with me my laptop several places. Not for work but other places I have outside home. Be stuck in a office ain't me. As well I wouldn't want have a big desktop in my living room. But if the direction as I can see it now (and will be) in the future, I need to reconsider my needs. Size and weight for laptops ain't a big problem. The problem is what they will offer me. BGA performance isn't what I want or will pay for.

 

I moved to setting up a home network. Because the massive push by Intel caused value to go down, my 6700K will likely become a firewall. Looking into that and wiring the house for gigabit speed, while using a 1950X to run the home server and offload work to it whenever possible.

The video card 10XX was the straw. Now, I'll just do a beefy desktop and a decent laptop instead of a single solution.

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Depends what you mean with a decent laptop. There ain't much options out there. +99% is pure trash!!

 

Decent, as in my ZM will hold me over until I get some assurances.

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Today I took out the bottom and the keyboard checked it out simply, didn't see any sign of burning or smoke. I am going to wait til the weekend to completely disassemble it and see if I can find something got blown out.

True, I can get a new motherboard from ebay for about $400, not bad at all considering the effort/modding that I have put into the machine. My real concern is, I will need to carry the worry/anxiety(fails again one day?) along with me and expect the board can live another two years or so. And I will have to limit my card's output to below 200W to prevent the motherboard burned out again. Especially after I knew the card can go faster but I will have to limit it down. If it's the dead of a GPU or CPU, I think I would felt better and replace them with lesser doubt.

I still don't understand how the motherboard died. I loaded the card 250W constantly over FSU stress test so many times, and occasionally loaded 270W. Yesterday's Furmark was only 230W, then the next day the machine just shut itself off after being idle overnight.

 

Yeah that's the thing, I need to carry around my system a lot. And the DM1 is a decent weight , but the DM3 is way too heavy to lug around. But that's just me. I know people who carry around their DM3 in the car.
End of the day the weights of these systems will just keep on going up and up, and at one point just be ridiculously heavy to carry around.