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I have installed both IRST and NVMe driver v1.1. Have done it the wrong way? I'm on my phone and will push out Asssd and CM later this lovely evening. No rain or snow today, LOL

 

I will try with the IRST Driver now although I think it has 0 effect on the NVMe SSD performance as that is handled by the NVMe driver....

let's see....BRB

 

Nice, about the same speeds here as well.
Not much into SSD Benchmarking. If its fast, its good enough for me

 

Maybe I can have the Assd score on first page @Phoenix ? Assd score 2868 I think the 4K score is ok.


CrystalDiskmark


@bloodhawk The faster, the better is my mantra

 

Installed Intel Rapid Storage Technology v14.8.0.1042 then rebooted twice

Then ran a TRIM Command and waited a few minutes

here are the scores....seems to be like margin of error.....doesn't seem to be directly affecting the NVMe SSD performance:

 

But the question is whether ISRT is butter on bacon. I think I can have it on my machine. Or what is your opinion about that?

 

you are the leader of SSD Benchmarks, you spoiled my day and happiness

PS: Next time please crop your benchmark scores, I had to do that for you

 

In the past, before NVMe drives, it was recommended to install it even when not doing RAID as it contains a much newer AHCI Controller Driver. Now it doesn't matter as the AHCI driver only controls my slow 2 TB HDDs which are a spanned 4TB combined volume so a few points up or down for them isn't gonna matter, they only contain my video files. the OS if installed on an NVMe drive only cares about the NVMe driver

 

Yeah, I don't burn too many calories on this either. While I do agree that in all case faster is better, but what you don't know, you don't know, and you cannot tell much difference except when measuring in SSD benching. IMHO storage capacity is far more important than speed where SSD is concerned. A faster but smaller capacity SSD is something I view as worthless compared to a slower SSD with a lot more capacity. The real "glory" is going from snail-like HDD speeds to SSD speeds and beyond that there are diminishing returns.

 

that's true, we just do it for the fun......

To be totally honest with you, I haven't had much joy like I did when upgrading from a laptop that had an HDD to an ASUS pile of garbage G73Sw back in the days which had a LiteOn 128GB SSD, that was a night and day difference that changed the way I use computers and changed the meaning of snappiness. After that, it was an 840 Pro, then an 850 PRO, then a SanDisk Extreme PRO, then an Intel 750 PCIe 1.2TB, and now a Samsung 950 PRO NVMe, I didn't notice one bit of a difference other than in benchmarks (in my workflow at least)

 

@Papusan

FYI, these are the RAID 0 benchmarks from before but with the older IRST Driver.

I will format tomorrow and reinstall my OS in RAID 0 just to smoke you at least I can win in something then since I have no chance against your CPU performance

 

Yeah, there is no substitute for that feeling. It's awesome going from HDD to SSD for boot drives, even on an old SATA 2 3GB/s system the difference is HUGE.

Now that the @Prema BIOS mods are slowing down I am going to tinker with RAID0 again on the Sky X9. I just flashed a test version that fouled up my Windows 10 installation in AHCI mode, so I'm dragging my data to a USB drive. I think I'll flip it over to RAID0 and do a fresh install of W1ndoze OS X Malware Edition and see how it runs.

 

Don't forget to place the latest RAID Driver folder (x64 only) on the USB Flash Disk installer of Wincrap 10 so you can load the driver during setup otherwise you won't even see the NVMe SSDs

 

You have a link to that to save me having to hunt for it?

Edit: I wish there was a place for a 5th drive in the Sky X9. It would be nice to have one more SATA port for a 4TB spinner just for data. Then I could have two RAID0 SSD volumes for OSes. I really hate using USB storage. Having room for 5 drives in the M18xR2 really spoiled me.

 

Sorry for that. You will come back later. I know

All of you are right about ssd's. I bought my BGA-Killer with 950Pro because the Multicom store offered me only OEM SSD with much lower speed for almost the same price... Why pay almost the same without getting anything in return??? I will not notice any difference in performance between different ssd with my workflow, but I can sell these at an ok price in Norway(everyone her know about 950Pro aka easier to sell used) if I later want switch to other / bigger disks.

 

I had a litte better Raid score in Assd but I have deleted the pict of the scores

 

Your wish is my command BOSS:

Clevo P870DM/DM-G Drivers Mirror

Then download the RAID Driver, extract it to a folder by right clicking on the ZIP file using WinRAR then extract it to a folder with its same name (RAID)

now place that folder on the WinHIV 10 USB Flash Disk installer

Once Windows loads, you will not see your NVMe drives, click on load driver, then point it to the RAID folder, then click next.

Next, have a cappacino as this will take a few seconds till the driver loads, then your NVMe drives will appear, in this case, it should look like a single drive since they are in RAID 0

now, press SHIFT + F10 on your keyboard to pull up the command prompt

type diskpart then hit enter

now type select disk 0 (assuming your RAID disk is disk 0, be careful and watch which one it is by typing list disk once you are in diskpart to display the disk order)

now that your disk is cleaned and not initialized as MBR or GPT, go back to the partition wizard in Windows installer then press the refresh icon (in blue)

now create your first partition

to get the correct size for OCD purposes...

multiply
the amount of the partition you want in GB

for example....

200.1 x 1024

now add 565MB then that will be the value you need to add for your partition

Why add the 565MB? that's for the system reserved partitions..... and I added 0.1 GB to the size I want in order for the partition to not appear as 199.9 GB in Windows

I recommend a 200 GB partition for Windows and a 600-700GB partition as D:. that gives us around 20% OP

Do not create the second partition or even create any partition from your HDDs at this point until you are in Windows otherwise the nasty Windows installer will place your boot files on the 2nd Partition/drive

 

good

 

@Mr. Fox

When creating the RAID Array, it is recommended to choose a 16K Data Stripe for max snappiness as the OS comprises of many small files.

But if you want to destroy us all in benchmarks, then 64K data stripe is better

 

Yeap, switching from 850 Pros to the 950 Pros didn't quite feel that big a deal as much as the internet made it to be, sure my cache files copy over slightly faster, but nothing too surprising.
Its fun playing around, but you get bored eventually.

Cool Speeds though !

 

Be happy you haven't purchased the new <high end> from Alienware... Big slim **** 17 inches laptop with the whole 3 ssd ports(one of two NVME port with crippled ssd performance) . But you have the proprietary G/A port if you want better performance (Maybe buy and use a crippled 970 desktop card with 3.5GB useful vram Fit well in that G/A) And the flimsy cooling for the BGA processor will let you go to 4.1 or even 4.2GHz on ONE core (if you ar lucky) becauce of better cooling without the internal graphics, HAHAaaaaaaaaa. Nice

 

I like 128K stripes best, even though 4K speeds are better with 16K stripe. Thanks for the link.

 

This is not even an option for me. I would settle for a $300 Acer notebook or a $89 Windows 10 Chuwi tablet before I would spend lots of money on a "gamer" BGA turdbook. If I am going to use a piece of crap, it has to be inexpensive crap. Cheap trash has a place in my world if I can buy it for next to nothing and toss it into a dumpster if it stops working. Overpriced crippled BGA garbage with a gamer label on it does not have a place. This applies to all so-called "high performance" or "gamer" BGA garbage... not just Alienware. All of it is trash.

 

yeah I laugh when I see Alienware - High Performance Systems now....... that used to mean something back then.....now they are High Throttling Turdbooks

I think this sound more realistic......

 

Yes I know this. Should not be an option for anybody at all... But Alienware is now perhaps the only "high performance" or "gamer" BGA garbage ... model with only 3 ssd ports in a pretty big 17 inch size. A great improvement from early 2015 17inch Aw Echo models, which had 4 ssd ports. This is called innovation. Offer less but you have to pay more

 

did you forget about the 2 RAM Slots? Even ASUS Garbage has 4 RAM slots

 

@Mr. Fox @Papusan

Looking at the below benchmarks which compares results with all stripe sizes, I am going for 16K. Have a look brah:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1535527/...ing-different-drives-vs-same-drive-benchmarks

 

How could I forget this? This was not the topic of the post to @Mr. Fox . I can soon everything about all C******* BGA machines The topic was about more SSD / HDD ports
Edit: I've mostly used 64K when I had RAID 0 on my machines.

 

Is there a way for me to run at 4.4ghz and as much as possible keep my temps as low as possible without compromising performance?
my understanding is to try to adjust the core voltage offset via intelXTU somewhere in the -120 - -150mv if i am not mistaken.
my core multipliers is at 42-40-40-40. should i change it to 42 for all cores? will i need a 330w for running at 4.4 ghz?
TLDR: [W] 4.4ghz and low temps with a 230w psu. New to this sort of thing. would love a quick read about this stuff if anyone would be kind enough to link me to a good source.

 

4.4GHz work fine on the vast majority of 6700K with under volts. How much you can under volt your processor is determined by whether you have been lucky in the Silicon lottery or not . Recommend a very good thermal paste (preferably Liquid Ultra). If you haven't Prema bios, dont use Xtu. Rather use Throttlestop.
If you need a 330W? OC at 4.4GHz + a small overclock on single 980m with a 230W is a a bit under what you should have. Recommend a 330W...
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Off topic: Work this RSR nonsense made by Intel in practice or as intended in bios Powered by Prema.mod? Does it matter whether RSR is enabled or disabled if the UEFI detects overclocking? @Prema @Mr. Fox

http://www.tweaktown.com/guides/748...-intel-skylake-overclocking-guide/index7.html

 

I typically run with RSR disabled if I am trying to overclock beyond 4.7GHz. It does reduce CPU performance by a small fraction with things like wPrime and Cinebench, but my 24/7 4.7GHz overclock doesn't seem to be affected by it much in most other things, like Fire Strike and 3DMark 11. However, I am running with Legacy/CSM enabled so that may have some effect different than if I were running in UEFI with no CSM. Just the whole idea of RSR sucks IMHO.

 

Could you show me how to get to 4.4ghz using xtu? how can i determine how much i can undervolt my cpu? i do not use a premamod bios as i have no plans of getting to 4.5ghz above. I am just trying to get the best possible temps at 4.4ghz anything above that for me is overkill. I already ordered 3 Liquid ultra kits although i wont be getting them til next month. I am tempted to oc the gpu since max temps i get playing is around 74c and it idles at 46c. i know the basic +135 + 300 for gpu on my ge60 i would get a minimal fps increase. I dont plan on ocing anytime soon as the 980m chews through everything i currently play like tombraider, Rleague, dota2, and gtav but would love to learn about it now

 

Yes I do not see the big difference. This is only normal <junk from Intel>. New crap with every new generation of processors. But Skylake is a nice processor(not the mobile versions ) with fivr gone. I've only run the processor at stock speed max 1/2 day , Since then I just used 4.8GHz. Have a few experiments with lower clock speed sometimes... But it does not tempt, LOL

Edit: @jpsm I do not use Xtu. A Bloated crippled software that also cripple the fan profiles. How far down you can undervolt is determined by whether you are lucky with your chips or not. Run bench tests and your normal workflow to check if your processor is stable at a given clock speed and undervolt.

 

OT:

BGAs have a place for thin client/ultra light systems where the biggest concern isnt performance. It fine for systems where I am not expected to push to 100% capacities. I am even ok with systems like surface pro as they provide a nice platform for extreme mobility and arent powerhouse workstations and arent marketed as such unlike Alienware etc.

My problem is with machines marketed as a solid high performance platform but it really isnt. As I said it before, either do one thing better than everyone else or dont bother. In the high performance space, no one ever looks for the average, run of the mill PC. Clevo offers the highest performance laptop in almost every size from 14-17.(A 18 inch x99 platform would be nice.. cough cough) so I think they should be the go to option for most enthusiasts whos main focus is absolute performance at the comprise of everything else. Honestly, gaming laptops arent ever going to be thin, you either have semi-gaming thin laptops(XPS, razer blade etc) thats more designed for some light gaming between things or you go up to things like P750DM. P750DM would be the smallest acceptable laptop in my opinion. Dont see why alienware/msi/etc even bothered with this skylake-H non sense.

 

So first, test if 4.4ghz is stable on stock volts. Proceed to -50mv if stable. If thats stable, try -80mv.

After that, drop -10mv, test, rinse and repeat until it start having problems. Every CPU is different, you need to test for yourself.

 

so i set all multipliers to 44?
what do i do with the processor core ratio? i set it to 44 also?
what do i do with turbo boost short power? enable or disable?

 

I believe the answer is yes to those questions. As for power, enable and max out all power/current limit.

 

Spoiler: It was as I thought. The new Mac :)

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...pu-issue-warning.788446/page-22#post-10237067

A better explanation? Hard to find A new *** model will definitely be even more similar the origin . Maybe crush Apple with a thinner and perhaps prettier design. Time will tell. Sorry this was Off topic. But I just had to.... Show this post

 

Just stumbled over this one:

http://hwbot.org/newsflash/3495_evga_launch_sc17_worlds_first_true_overclocking_Laptop

I am curious what happens when an owner of this one turns EVGA PX the first time on, just to see his Screen goes bzzzzz!!!

Not to mention the super overclockable 6820HK....

 

Only a new BGA machine. Not better tha the other junk out there. Why pay premium price when you can get the similar BGA machine for nearly the half price? I will invite you over to a public PM Started by @TBoneSan

 

Why pay for this fanboy turdbook when you can get the "Phoenix" for the same Price!

 

Rather put it this way... You get a slim, pretty and light CrapBook that can easily compete with a CrAppleBook in terms of design and performance. Some actually like garbage... No one need to be forced to buy a high end gaming laptop with decent performance and upgradable hardware. This is their choice... But those who choose turd Books, will in time destroy for all others who want real performance. OEM's can easily see that someone will buy their junk. Then they will continue in the same track

 

@Mr. Fox @Papusan

RAID 0 Benchmarks:

- IRST v14.8.0.1042
- 16K Data Stripe Size
- Cache Mode: Write Back
- Overprovisioning = 20%

 

There is something seriously wrong with the 364.72 drivers.
I did a clean install of 362.00 last night and my GPU has been idling at proper clocks with idle temps of about 35C (was idling at 45-48C with 364.72)
With 364.72 i was not able to even stabilize clocks at +160/+100 without providing a lot of extra voltage.
However with 362.00, easily managed to do +173/+100 without any extra voltage at all. Like wth NVIDIA?

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/11611766

And here i was thinking i have an average GPU.

And..

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...72-findings-fixes.789930/page-8#post-10237211

 

oooooo.
Didn't notice that thread. O_O

 

yes please remove that garbage driver, Thank God it didn't last long enough on my system to destroy my card.

go back to 362.00 please

 

Yeah, changed back because i was having some weird gamut reset issues. Good thing i did lol.

 

Ive been using 364.72 without any problems. gonna go back to 362.00 just in case..

 

Did not have any issues per se, but the idle temps and clocks were way too high for what they should be.Not everyone is having issues right away, so not sure if they show up over time.