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    Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Jon Webb

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    It reminds me of these big developers. They'll build a 7 to 8000 sq ft house. 4 bedrooms with 4 "so called offices". Now they can use a 4 bedroom septic system. I know they're in it for the money but HOW MUCH money do you have to make. It's sleazy
     
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    New 3DMark v2.4.3819 (October 11th, 2017)
    All older versions of Futuremark 3DMark + TimeSpy can be downloaded from techpowerup.com if you deleted or didn't backup your prevous 3DMark Suite versions.
    https://www.techpowerup.com/download/futuremark-3dmark-timespy/

    v2.4.3819 (October 11th, 2017)
    This major update adds Time Spy Extreme, a new DirectX 12 benchmark with a 4K rendering resolution. Time Spy Extreme is an ideal benchmark test for systems with the latest graphics cards and new processors with 8 or more cores. A 4K monitor is not required, but your graphics card must have at least 4 GB of memory.

    Please note that Time Spy Extreme is only available in 3DMark Advanced Edition. You cannot run it in the free version.

    Time Spy Extreme is available as a free update for 3DMark Advanced Edition licenses purchased after July 14, 2016. For copies bought before that date, Time Spy Extreme can be added to 3DMark by purchasing the Time Spy upgrade.

    New in 3DMark Advanced Edition

    • Time Spy Extreme benchmark test.
    • Time Spy Extreme Stress Test.
    Fixed

    • Time Spy Graphics Test 2 no longer reloads between passes when looping.
    • Fixed a rare issue that could cause Time Spy to fail when starting the test from a script or other background process.
    • Fixed an issue in the API Overhead feature test that caused the Vulkan part to fail on Intel integrated GPUs when using non-native resolutions.

    Maybe latest RTSS Rivatuner Statistics Server v7.0.0 Beta 30 is needed for Windoze X Crematory Fall Edition. Whatever, here it is.
     
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  3. steberg

    steberg Notebook Evangelist

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    So I finally had some time to tinker with my system, got myself a new i7-7700K as well. Nice temps for a non delid i7-7700K. I OC my hyperX ram to 2666 and kept the timings (running at 133x10) like Mr.Fox suggested in another post. The vBios is v2 of Official Clevo OC vbios, no need for a programmer. Found it on Baidu. All stock BIOS, no prema bios... Well this will keep me till the next generation of Volta and whatever CPU comes after coffee lake... BTW pasted with Gelid Extreme. Look at the GPU temps!

    [​IMG]

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  4. Mr. Fox

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    Nice job, Brother. :) +Rep
     
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    It could hold its own against it in terms of power output though, the 680M started generating pretty crazy amounts of heat to get to the 780M levels. It was not practical for day to day at that point.
     
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    Seems like they did not make it any worse than before. At least they did not totally mess up physics performance as they have in the past. Overall, it may even be a tiny bit better, except for the newer 3DMark Fire Strike crashes with RAM at 3200 every time (exits to desktop with "Ooops" errors) but, most benchmark scores are generally the same with the RAM clocked at 3000 or 3200. There is generally nothing to write home about. As usual, the older GeFarts drivers are better, more stable, higher benchmark scores, etc.

    I still need to test the new RTSS with the latest Redmond Abortion (RS3) to see if it works.

    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1.../13837091/fs/13837128/fs/13837216/fs/13837251

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Papusan

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    And you are sure this crashes ain’t due you tested with Crematory Fail Edition?
     
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    No, I am not sure. One can never be sure of anything where Windows 10 is concerned, and 3DMark hasn't been stable for a long time as well. But, that is the Windoze OS X version I have installed. And, as you look across the physics results are essentially no different and all within a margin of error. Physics performance was what they have been screwing up for so long.

    I can confirm that 3200 RAM is less stable with RS3. I have never had more BSOD with Windows 10 than what I have now with the current RS3 dungware. It seems like a piece of crap to me, but I think that about all versions of Windoze OS X. Everything they have done after Windows 7 sucks as far as I am concerned.
     
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  9. Georgel

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    Yes and governments have been using all forms of software to do the same thing.
     
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    Certainly nothing new. But, it's pretty crazy for the US and any of its allies to trust the Russians or Chinese with anything as sensitive as security software. That's about as intelligent as asking wolves to stand guard over the sheep. I thought is was pretty crazy and ironic to learn that the US Government was using Kaspersky software.
    I will post there as well.
     
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    At the same time they likely know the backdoors the Us Government were using in their own programs...
     
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    It would come as no surprise.
     
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    I'd be disappointed in my government if they were not doing that kind of thing.
     
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    Me, too. In fact, we are talking about that very thing over here: The rise and fall of Kaspersky?
     
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    Georgel Notebook Virtuoso

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    A bit off-thread, but... Can anyone help me configure and set up a desktop computer? I want to learn a bit and am not sure where to start.... :(
     
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    Set a budget, if you are a gamer allocate at least half to the GPU, build the rest of the system round it.
     
  19. Georgel

    Georgel Notebook Virtuoso

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    Basically, I want to sell my current P775DM3-G because of noise, and I got like an offer for a desktop :

    palit gtx 1080
    amd fx8350 3.8 ghz
    16gb ddr3 1800mhz
    corsair rm650x
    Carcasa super flower 12 coolere
    asus sabertooth amd 970+sb950 990 fx r2.0 sabertooth
    2x ssd 256 gb ocz
    Blu ray player
    + some difference in money, around 900$

    My basic understand from my basic research is that I'd have to sell both the mainboard and the CPU and replace those, things which I can probably do. I am not sure how sufficient the PSU is, and if the deal is good in any way.

    My current laptop (what I would be giving) is a P775DM3-G, 6700k, GTX1080, FHD display, 32GB RAM . I don't know whether I would lose or win in this situation.

    My laptop is currently on sale in Romania and I won't try to sell it to another country because I don't want the receiver to get something damaged or do any pay problems for me...

    I am not even sure how to test if that one has any problems when I would supposedly buy it...
     
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    I will be honest, I'd love to work with Sager, Hidevolution or the guys from Portugal, but I don't think the effort of having a Clevo is worth it with my rather limited budget now that I would probably want to get a 8700K when it comes out for development resources. I don't even know if I shouldn't better get X version of a CPU or even one of those with more cores, my wqorkload is very varied, but it is centered around games.

    The main advantage I'd be seeing to getting that desktop from above would be upgradeability, because I could probably upgrade the motherboard and the CPU when 8700K comes out and have a fresh start, plus I could probably loose less on selling and replacing components provided they would work together.

    Basically, I know that none of the clevo parent companies can gain something from helping me right now, I just wanted some advice of what I should do right now. I will probably look for a laptop for my portable needs in the future and of course, I'd be considering the major Clevo resellers then, but right now I need a powerhouse (?)
     
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    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    I'll send you a PM to help you.
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    The FX8350 is a major bottleneck and now has lost most of its value. Someone is trying to offload a platform on you.
     
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    Thank you!

    What should I do?

    I don't have much floating cash and I want to kinda sell my P775DM3-G. It is in pretty much top condition, but... I kinda needed more power on the CPU side... I basically run a lot of my typical workloads on the CPU, parallel games and parallel codes. I would kinda need portability, but P775 is kinda noisy at times...
     
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    A Ryzen 1700 build would do very well.
     
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    I'm not making a new one yet... I'd need help selling mine before thinking about that.
     
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    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    That is exactly what I wrote him in the PM.
     
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    Sell it before the new models come out. Try the marketplace here.
     
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    Better than being stuck with a much slower system.
     
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    How do I sell the system I own without being endangered by anything suspicious? I never sold a thing to outside, but many people I know have been tricked to sell something to people outside of Romania but never saw any money :(
     
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    OH well... I tried making a For Sale topic in here, but I doubt too many Romanians frequent this place and I doubt I'll have the courage to sell it to someone from the outside. What remains now is to see if someone needs my unit, or if my post on OLX gets lucky (mind this, its value in Romania is much better than it looks relative to the prices paid here).

    Hm... I think I have a rough idea of how to build a new desktop and all.

    About the one I was talking earlier, if I'd be getting about 900 USD + that desktop configuration, that desktop configuration would have its GPU worth about 500 keeping in mind that it is second hand, so it would all amount to about 1400$ in the end for my P775 w/ 6700K, GTX 1080, so I'd have to replace the motherboard and the CPU in that one, but I understand that it is not the best deal.

    Well... Gues it is time to look for what deal I can get :confused:
     
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    You'd have to sell mainboard, RAM, CPU, possibly cooler (no idea what that is), OCZ SSDs I would rather use a hard drive instead of those trash products.

    Tbh I'd say it's not worth that direct trade, considering used-market for those AMD CPUs are terrible now that they're pretty much useless compared to options from both vendors
     
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    Can we expect aka smell more of the same in the near future? Was not the first BGA models from Alienware in history launched for sale the spring 2015? :rolleyes: My oldest Clevo from 2010 is still going strong. Oh'well upload_2017-10-13_5-27-0.png
     
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    In my best -It- voice: Hello Georgie

    Unless this was 2015 or before, you don't want an AMD Fx processor. I own that mthrbrd and an Fx 8320, I bought them new 3 few years ago; the board itself performs flawless, never an issue, it's just that the setup's getting long in the sabertoof
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    You want to step into new Ryzen silicon if AMD is on your list, say an R5 1600 or better, then pick a decent Asus or Msi board for it & get some DDR4

    If you have to have a DDR3 system for whatever reason, only buy Intel, say anything after IvyBridge-E and newer and go with an Asus or MSI board. The older Intels stomp all over the Fx chips. What Ryzen does to them is also a bloodbath. Fx is too old to invest in anymore. I wouldn't pay over $100 for 990Fx + 8350, in case your options are limited there: only buy Fx if it's dirt cheap, otherwise, save up for something better --> old Intel's way better
    :eek:
     
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    Yep, you take it out at the push of a button :D
     
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    [​IMG]

    Here is how I have my dock set to now and what a quick session of dirty bomb looks like :)
     
  38. Georgel

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    Is there a thread for the next generation of Nvidia Cards? Anyone knows when will they be released?
     
  39. Papusan

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    Take a look, but not much useful. Why should Nvidia bother with new cards as Amd ain’t in front?All they have done lately is Max-Qrippled for the JokeBooks and now 1070Ti for desktops.
    Volta: NVIDIA's Next Generation GPU Architecture (2017-2018)
     
  40. Mr. Fox

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    It wouldn't surprise me to see Volta not be that great. That is not a prediction, just a statement that I will not be surprised if it's nothing to write home about. The trend on many things is downward now (Max-Qrippled as one example) with a lot of focus on achieving adequate instead of awesome. That would give the Green Goblin a lot of extra phoney-baloney wiggle room to make Volta be better all of a sudden later on with nothing but firmware and driver hocus pocus, smoke and mirrors. As @Papusan said, they do not need to do anything to stay on top. AMD still really can't match current gen mainstream GeFarts gamer GPUs in performance, They're closer than before, even within 1080 striking distance, but still in second place. And on top of that it appears they still don't overclock worth a damn. For those that only play games, a coin toss will simplify the selection process. In addition to this, if the Red and Green teams keep it up with the firmware protection nonsense, or make it worse, along with room temperature throttling, there won't be anything to be enthusiastic about. Everyone will have belly-button GPUs that act and smell exactly alike. The "special" guys will have RGB toys that run like the peasant GPUs without the RGB gimmicks.
     
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    I don't know, intel are learning again the dangers of giving AMD wiggle room. That can't of escaped Nvidia's attention.
     
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    Hopefully not, but they do sometimes seem preoccupied with silly things. I doubt NVIDIA will ever let AMD have the upper hand for more than a couple of days. Intel and NVIDIA are both pretty good at pulling rabbits from their magic hats. Sucks for us to have metered performance being spoon-fed to us, but keeps them sitting pretty as Kings of the Hill.
     
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    We will have to wait and see I guess.
     
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    Read the first sentence of the first and then third paragraphs.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I think someone was wanting me to do this for some reason, so for whatever reason (don't remember) here it is. Everything is maxed out except for NVIDIA HairQuirks is disabled.

     
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    Why so much CPU voltage for measly 4.7GHz? Shouldn't you be able to manage around 1.11v or so for it?
     
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    The BIOS is set for 1.160V. The voltage is high because the CPU isn't under enough stress/load to cause it to drop to the voltage that I have it set to. It's basically the same value as idle voltage. As you know, SKL and KBL both do that. I do not have ThrottleStop running. If I had it running and cache voltage lowered to like 1.075V the no-load reading would be a little lower.
     
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    Ah yeah. I was wondering if that might be it. Your CPU temperatures were so high for it I wasn't sure.

    Sent from my OnePlus 1 using a coconut
     
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    75-80°C is not "high temperature" LOL. If you look at OSD the CPU is right around 25% load and about 20W because this game doesn't really need a powerful CPU.
     
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    I had seen you hit about 82 at one point, with barely 24W drawn and minimal CPU usage, I found that was pretty high. Granted I haven't got Witcher 3 to try.

    How's Metro Last Light Redux treat your CPU? I managed to keep my chip mostly under 80 even if I unlock my FPS (though you're at 4.7 and I'm at 4.4), so I'm surprised to see such low usage produce such high temperatures in return:
    [​IMG]
     
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