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I wanted to like that Threadripper thingy, but I read in a few places that half of it is not active, like they printed two times the cores and such, but only half are active. Is that true, or it is a hoax news thing?

 

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Think of ThreadRipper as a Turbo Charged 1/2 core / thread capacity Epyc.

There's nothing to be afraid of with ThreadRipper's inert silicon dies, they are providing a mechanical support role rather than a computational role.

The ThreadRipper socket / size is similar to Epyc which has 4 active silicon dies to provide 32 cores / 64 threads, with 8 cores / 16 threads per CCX silicon die.

Epyc has a higher TDP range than previous consumer CPU's, but even so each core has less power / thermal budget than a lower core / thread count CPU in the same form factor.

For ThreadRipper to have higher clocked cores / threads in the same form factor, AMD needed to reduce the active cores / threads count to keep the same or lower power / tdp budget.

What that means is, if AMD wanted a consumer level high core clocked / high core count CPU, AMD would need the same size, but fewer active cores.

So AMD uses 2 CCX dies totaling 16 cores / 32 threads, or 1/2 the dies / cores / threads count as Epyc, with 2 inactive silicon dies to match the mechanical requirements.

In order to support the spread of the tall and wide TR4 IHS, AMD needed to fill in the 2 inactive die locations to physically "support" the IHS - and act as conduits for heat through to the IHS from the die carrier.

It's a neat trick that was dreamed up in the Epyc engineering group to meet consumer high core speed requirements while doubling the core / thread count over what Ryzen provides, which in turn doubles the core / thread count over 4 core / 8 thread CPU's from.

It also shows that with a CPU socket / carrier designed for 2x the current Epyc CPU TDP / Power budget, we could have high speed 32 core / 64 thread consumer and commercial CPU's, someday.

What is it about the 2 inert silicon dies bothers you?

 

@Georgel, here's a couple of videos examining - discovering - what is under the IHS with ThreadRipper.

Dummy Dies? Threadripper examined (en)
*there is a Deutsch version too*


RYZEN THREADRIPPER DELIDDING (en)
*there is a Deutsch version too*


For comparison, here is the earlier Ryzen CPU delidding:

Delidding Ryzen: Is AMD Ryzen 7 soldered or not?
*there is a Deutsch version too*

 

G.SKILL Releases DDR4-3800MHz 32GB (4x8GB) SO-DIMM Memory Kit for Mini-ITX

“ world’s fastest SO-DIMM memory kit. In addition, 3 new specifications will be added to the Ripjaws DDR4 SO-DIMM family, including DDR4-3600MHz CL16-16-16-36 32GB (4x8GB), DDR4-3200MHz CL16-16-16-36 32GB (4x8GB), and DDR4-3200MHz CL16-16-16-36 64GB (4x16GB). Such extremely high speed on SO-DIMM modules are achieved with the use of the ultra-high performance Samsung B-die DDR4 ICs. ”

 

Man, those DDR4 prices are in the moon right now, at least in Romania. almost 100% increase in the past month!!!!!

 

Oooh cool.

 

Overwatch for one is known to scale better and hold higher FPS on 6-core machines over 4-core high clocks. Frostbite 3 and Cryengine 3 can scale above 4 cores as well and both can also be pretty CPU heavy. I don't know if Unreal engine 4 has any limitations on core usage but I doubt it.

 

Clevo isn't selling the 1080 in any of their newer 15.6" systems so I had to put one in my P150EM.

Well, I couldn't fit it in the P150EM so I took the motherboard. Then I couldn't fit it in the motherboard so I removed the SATA slot.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12440291

Fitting both the motherboard and card in a laptop frame is currently a work in progress.

 

Nice! Is that a 1080 through Optimus?

 

No, direct eDP output from the GPU. I may try optimus and see if it can work.

 

Are you going to be buying those for the new laptops? Looks like latency is even better than previous kits.

 

As requested by some:
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt gameplay on P870KM1-G using the .925 Silver lid, but with "Full" fans on Clevo dash and full fans on the x3 U3+ Vardar FF5 fan mod cooler. Everything is maxed out. Nvidia HairWorks enabled too. Temperatures and speeds are displayed in-game and before and after the video. On desktop the CPU drops to 800mhz on idle. This is because of Intel's Speedstep technology. In-game stays at 4.5GHz constantly though.

Thank you @Mr. Fox for showing me how to display my CPU speeds in-game by using HWiNFO64 with MSI Afterburner.

This Video (Full Fans on Clevo dash, 100% 3000RPM x3 Vardar FF5 fan mod cooler)
2560x1440
Nvidia Drivers: 387.92 Notebook
#1 1080 GPU: 52c max
#2 1080 GPU: 51c max
CPU 7700K 4.5Ghz: 60c max



*This video is rated mature*

Sorry about my Steam username, (unless you are a committed BGA lover) as I don't want random adds. Please take a joke.

 

Nice work, brother. Very cool (pun intended).

 

Now see, THOSE were the temperature ranges on the CPU I had expected that Fox would have, however WOW your GPUs are cold, did you play that in a freezer? xD

 

Thank you. I think the room was around 24c. I'd love to test it with a air conditioner though. I'm on the search for one... I'm curious how low the temps would go. I know the temperatures go very slightly lower when I'm gaming at 1080P, but when I'm gaming (Deus Ex: MD) at 7680X1440 Nvidia Surround it's a different story; the CPU can hit 80c max and the GPU's can hit 79c max. When playing Battlefield: Hardline at 7680X1440 the GPU's only hit 66c as this game is less demanding on my GPU's I think or it's optimized much better than other games.

By the way, both of the 1080 GTX's are smothered with thermal grizzly conductonaut LM, and all of the pads are AlphaCool 17w/mk. These pads make a big difference to the overall chipset temperatures I think. I have also noticed that the AlphaCool 0.5mm 17w/mk thermal pads are much thinner than common 0.5mm thermal pads. I think this helps the GPU's have a better contact to the VC heat sink.

I have another p870KM1 laptop with the same configuration but with 32gb of RAM and less hard drives. With the same test, the CPU hits 70c max and 66C max while on witcher 3 with the same gaming layout. This P870KM1 on this video is the daddies though. I have picked that 7700k from around 12 CPU as I was buying them, then re-selling them or putting them in new built PC's. I did the same with the 1080 GTX's. I picked the coolest, not the fastest overclockers this time round.

 

Speaking of an A/C... look at what a difference an A/C room makes after half hour of unlimited Metro Last Light Redux:

Spoiler: Nighttime room

Spoiler: A/C room

Never hit 80c on any part, CPU averaged 5c cooler, GPUs averaged 8-10c cooler, while boosting higher (and thus using more voltage).

11/10.

 

Around 16-18°C idle and 45-55°C under severe load like 3DMark 11 with an extreme overclock (2000MHz core / 11200MHz memory). I have never checked stock load temps on AC before. I'm sure they would be at least 10°C lower than with an extreme overclock.

Sweet! And, that's just a cooler room. Imagine if you have the AC vent blowing directly into the chassis.

 

I know right?

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Thermal dissipation is all down the the delta between the air and the heatsink after all.

 

Great! thanks bro.
When I get the A/C I will run the same bench with Witcher 3: Wild Hunt and post a live video on here and YouTube for reference. Because I'm getting 60c max on the 4.5Ghz 7700kK CPU and 52c on the 1080 GPUs, I should be looking at a good drop .
....Then it's overclocking time
Can't wait
And thank you for the compare and contrast screenshots @D2 Ultima I think an A/C is worth getting for some tests, Especially for overclocking.

 

If your room is at 24c now you won't see much unless you use it benching style or you drop the temp to like 16c

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But I'm going to put the A/C under the laptop. Would this help you reckon?
Is there a good A/C that can go below 16c? I got a thick Ski coat

 

Oh yeah under the laptop will help

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Yes, exactly. The big difference in effectiveness here is the air coming directly out of the vent directly above the AC evaporator core is close to freezing point, whereas the air in the room has warmed up significantly.

 

Are people having trouble powering a Clevo 1080 on a single 330W PSU? I get PSU shutdowns with CPU overclocks with the stock 191W TDP. When a check the current sensing resistors on the motherboard I'm only reading around 290W max, which is consistent with the card TDP but not what the PSU should be capable of.

I added a bunch of supply voltage filtering caps to the 1080 which helped a lot, but firestrike still shuts down the PSU if I clock my CPU over 4 GHz. Either my PSU is dying or the 1080 is an extremely power noisy GPU. I'm curious what others have seen.

 

I have not experienced that. Single 330W should be ample for single 1080, even with CPU and GPU overclocked. Maybe it is a power handling limitation somewhere else on the P150EM motherboard.

 

P150EM power delivery is actually equivalent to P870DM power delivery. I also doubled all motherboard power FETs anyway.

What I did notice when looking at the P870DM3 schematic is that there are 100uF supply caps all over for around 10x the supply voltage filtering as on the EM series. I'll add a 470uF and see what happens.

 

@Khenglish , is the PSU light shutting off (requring an unplug?) Or is the system simply powering off and rebooting?

 

A Clevo 1080 only sucks 200W max (spike), your CPU won't pull the required 120W consistently to force a power shutdown. It's probably something to do with the power delivery of the unit. Maybe the P150EM MXM slot isn't capable of providing enough power to the 1080?

What about MSI 1080s as well? Those are 150W and not designed to require a power feed. Unless you already have power being fed into it, then I don't know.

 

Yes, he does have the power going to it already. The MXM slot also has to be re-wired for added power on pins that are not used by other GPUs. A Clevo "exclusive" feature display of proprietary nonsense. Going to have to do the same thing to the DM-G MXM slot to make 1080 bootable. Seems like they went overboard trying to block upgrades, and making sure dropping a Clevo 1080 in another brand would be too complex for most. Nice, huh? Real nice.

 

PSU shutdown. It turns back on by itself after a few seconds. It runs on battery in the meantime.

With an MSI 1070 and 980 I could draw over 250W on the GPU before I had to worry about the PSU. With the 1080 the PSU is struggling at just 191W.

 

The real question though, is if the DM3 onward will actually boot with Volta onward. And will it cool

 

Maybe it is pulling more than what your tools are measuring? Yeah, that is weird if it is the PSU. Probably has nothing to do with the laptop if that is the case.

Yup. Many questions and unknowns. Glad I got out of the laptop racket. The DM3 was and is amazing in every way, and it was super fun. But, I really don't like surprises and wondering what kind of shenanigan they are going to pull the next time... like what happened between the DM-G and DM3.

 

I wonder that too, which is one reason why I decided to stuff a 1080 into my P150EM instead of buy a coffee lake system.

When you look at the current Clevo cards it is apparent that they did not design the card for what would be good going forward. Instead they went with how they could enlarge the cards with minimal changes to existing systems. They will either continue their mistake of using a wonky funny shaped card and support the format in the future, or they will make a new shape which makes more sense.

I really wish they coordinated with MSI to have interchangeable cards between both systems. Being able to drop in a dell, clevo, or MSI card in the past and have it work was nice.

 

MSI did not make new cards for their own models in the end.

 

If anything they were worse than Clevo. They made different shaped cards with different die locations. There are two 1080s, and neither of them are the same as the 1070. At least for Clevo the 1060, 1070, and 1080 are all the same shape and can all work in one system. MSI did make a 3.0 compatible 1060, but a 1060 is weaker than a 980m (when both are overclocked), so that doesn't mean much.

 

To be fair, if you let the 1060 grab enough power and optimized it, it should beat a 980M handily. But it's pretty unoptimized at the moment (too little TDP, too high voltage)

As for the MSI's 3.0 "compatible" 1060, it's too wide. It won't fit in a tighter slot. I wouldn't really consider them proper 3.0b compatible. But yeah, apparently Clevo is meaning to keep the current model design for a constant, so they're all interchange-able.

 

PSU deteriorating/overheating somewhere internally?

 

So the Clevo laptops are missing pins or are rewired differently than the "normal" mxm based cards?

 

No, not exactly. But, sort of. The Clevo 1080 (exclusively) gets additional power using pins that are "vacant" (not used) on 1060, 1070 and Pre-Pascal GPUs. It makes the Clevo 1080 proprietary in this respect. There is no circuitry on the motherboard for Clevo system built before they invented their proprietary 1080. You have to use wires and solder them to the pins/contacts at the MXM slot to create the power to those pins or the GPU won't boot up. You can use a different GPU and it won't matter if those pins have power to them for 1080 because the MXM cards that do not use those pins have no corresponding circuitry in their PCB.

@Khenglish figured out how to do this, and it is what I am going to have to do to get 1080 to be bootable in the P870DM-G. If I am stating any of this in a clumsy manner, @Khenglish can explain or elaborate on what I am talking about.

 

So then you are trying to get a CLEVO 1080 working in the P870DM1 , not MSI.

 

Correct. The MSI 1080 booted fine in the P870DM-G. I sold the Tornado F5 and I no longer have an option to use that GPU. The Clevo 1080 is a better GPU, IMHO, in spite of a few issues. The MSI 1080 is kind of stunted in terms of overclocking and performance potential.

Brother @tanzmeister was kind enough to provide a guinea pig 1080 for the transplant. Once the mod is done I will provide detailed instructions for those that wish to follow suit. Credit to @Prema and/or @Khenglish for figuring out the pin-out difference that is totally unique to the Clevo 1080. Thankfully, other than the extra pins with power, nothing else was goofed up or moved to a non-standard arrangement in the MXM pin-out or it might have been impossible without a proprietary motherboard made to use a proprietary Clevo 1080.

 

@Khenglish
Can the Clevo 1080 work and fit in a MSI GT73VR that has the 1070 heatsink/VRM sink assembly? or am I being lazy and not reading Mr Fox's posts clearly and you need to solder something?

 

Nope. Read my posts above and @Khenglish previous posts. Physical dimensions of the PCBs, proprietary Clevo 1080 power delivery (MXM pin-out), plus heat sink fit and die location are all over the board for MSI and Clevo.

This was a significant element in my decision to abandon laptops. I'm simply not going to entertain the possibility of a round #2 for this retarded nonsense. And, because they did it once already I have zero confidence they will not pull the same stupid stunt again. They ( all notebook manufacturers) can kiss my butt, LOL.

 

Adding the extra 470u cap after the Mobo PSU enable FETs but before the GPU power enable FETs fixed all PSU issues.

Finally can overclock CPU in firestrike:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22885528

Unfortunately it's warmer here tonight so I had to drop memory clocks some. I did get 24300 GPU before:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22829317

Now I just need that boat from China to arrive with the 3.3V to 1.8V step-down for my programmer so I can remove the power limit.

 

Nice!!
Should have told me you needed the 1.8V adapter, i have a few extras lying around, would have sent one with the motherboard.

 

You could have borrowed mine too.
Why didn't you just order it off Amazon with prime shipping?

https://www.amazon.com/WINGONEER-ad...8&qid=1508913253&sr=8-1&keywords=1.8v+adapter

 

Because I paid 25% of what amazon wants.

I got some nice 100uF ceramic caps for the core arriving soon. If Pascal reacts like Maxwell at all with extra caps directly behind the core I should gain some clocks on the core.

 

I think buildzoid found that extra caps did not really impact pascal at all.