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I think the chips are fine. It runs 4.6GHz locked at -100mv on all 6 cores and doesnt overheat. So I think the chips are fine. I think its the bios thats the issue.

 

You will find benches with stock Bios in the thread. Do not make hasty conclutions before reading the thread. It's only +14600 posts but I think you'll find something from fall 2016 and further But that has to be said... @Prema bios Magic is highly needed for the best enjoyment.

 

Never did get this alert, but I think the least I tried was two. Mmm I'll try it later and get back to you.

Also, how good would you say an 8700K is if it does 5.2GHz at ~1.2v non-AVX?

 

Ah ha ha, yeah I am excited, working through many nights to make this work.
But since I don't have access to the new hardware myself and only make the firmware for others to play with, there isn't really much I can contribute to this thread that would be on topic...

 

That's simple Prema just tell us [REDACTED DUE TO NDA] and it'll be really well on topic!

Oh wait =(

 

That's exactly why my next laptop will be a Prema modded Clevo from Hidevolution.
I just can't get it right now since I've done so much work with my MSIbook's power crap so far.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to enable this mythical "Hybrid Power" Bios or popup in the Bios setting that no one on earth seems to know how to enable except ONE Person who enabled it on accident......(the same menu contains something called Battery Voltage 1-100 or Battery Threshold 1-100).

THESE SETTINGS ARE NOT IN THE APTIO CAPSULE ANYWHERE. IF i'm not being lied to, they have to be some hidden backdoor key combination to a hidden extra menu.

 

Hybrid Power is just the system draining the battery on top of the PSU and is pretty much in use on most of the recent Notebooks from other ODMs. It's for systems sold with insufficient AC Adapter capacity.
Clevo doesn't use that kind of trickery as they sell it with proper adapters instead.

Enabling it on systems that have no EC to support it changes nothing.
Disabling on systems where it is enabled reduces their power draw.

 

Hi @Prema thank you for replying

Yeah I know.
But @Shehary said that he found an option in the MSI Bios to actually disable hybrid power AND Change the battery voltage.
A screenshot was posted and a mod asked him to remove it.
I tried to PM him later but he told me he never was able to make the option appear again.

I searched all of the Bios strings and every option in the APTIO capsule. It's not in the capsule.
If he were not lying, then it had to be one of those strange popup options that occur with an obscure key combination or series of combinations done at the "Right" time, the right sequence or the right place
My GTX 1070 is modded to 195W, i can use the 330W power ID (as you know already) but I still want to remove that silly battery drain.

 

You can not change battery voltage via BIOS. It's just for the ODM to set what battery type is installed for it to use the proper registers.
If all you want is to protect your battery then just removing it will naturally also do just that.

 

Removing the battery, sadly enough, causes a "lower" AC power limit. That power limit is, unfortunately, at the exact point where the "Hybrid" battery drain would begin to happen in the first place.
Changing the Power ID (EC RAM register E3) doesn't seem to affect this; this is set at POST time or something. This is the EXACT SAME power limit that happens when the battery is below 30%.
I'm sure you know about this.

For 230W: this is 160W (estimated)
For 330W: this is 250W (Guesstimated).

(Yes this is cancer).

There's a way around this but no normal user would know how to do this. (Change EC register 31 to "09", and register 42 to "64"): this 'turn on' the battery charge circuit and sets a value of Battery=100% (64 hexadecimal).

Yeah. Annoying

 

As I said disabling it in BIOS would have the same effect buddy. Those MSI system are designed to use combined draw from the ground up. The total AC Adapter power draw limit remains unless you remove it from the EC.

 

Ok I'll just stick with that.
I was able to pull 350W from the wall after removing the battery, setting "E3" to 91 (or 11), setting "31" to 09 (this changes to 0B instantly), and "42" to 64. Caveman method but it works.

Sorry if I'm acting weird. it's 4 am and I need to sleep. But I don't want to sleep.
I have an extreme compulsive disorder to hack stuff. You know.....

 

Then hack your mind and tell it that you want to sleep.

 

his presence here should be enough ;D

I'm going to do an driver spree again, going from THIS to THIS is yeah weird but first going to the gym to do the more important stuff and if that doesn't work i just cry "i wanna, i wanna..."

 

388.59 is a crappy driver IMO

 

just came home, and tried an older version 385.12 i had lie around and was up to ~16300, will use my Image i have from my LTSB install before i installed FCU and recheck

hmm @Mr. Fox @Papusan @Johnksss @Prema

back to 17212, same 385.12 drivers but this time with my old LTSB W10, srsly what causes this issues on my notebook or notebooks in general, my desktop never ever had such flunctuations just via using different w10 builds

but somebody knows what causes the CPU throttle?



PL1-PL4 is at 255W and set the max amps to 8191

 

Run something like cinebench in a small window.
Have ThrottleStop open with limit reasons open as well.
Then run test and see if it lights up red and yellow.

Then we might be able to go from there.

 

CPU only seems fine, only occurs when using the 1070 heavier\heavily, only started to notice it cause the last time i used my book actively was back in August, now i'm preparing for christmas vacation at my parents home and while playing some Elite Dangerous i noticed that my CPU throttled to 4.3Ghz -> 4.0Ghz -> 4.5Ghz and over again with the same limit reasons, fun fact i had EXACTLY the same issue back then with my P771DM before prema did something magical >LINK to old same issue<, but still nowhere as aggressive now as it was back then, just like i said only when CPU and GPU get's used hard, Elite Dangerous and Skyrim modded for now where it was noticeable, GPU what i observed stayed around 1911-1923mhz tho like i set it with the voltage curve only saw ~1890mhz when GPU was over 78 °C.

 

Somehow that doesn't seem to look like this?




edit:
P775DM3
Isn't that a problem issue machine where the EC is not quite right?

 

well tbh, HWINFO64 limit reasons and TS limit is almost the same, i just the HWINFO64 one because it's more detailed, but yes it's the same with TS stays throttlefree according to it and about the EC i dunno .

 

Hwinfo can mess with things from time to time while running in the background. That's why.

Now..open wprime155 and set for 8 threads.
Open firestrike pick a firestrike test to run. If you paid for it then pick test 1 of firestrike. set it up and get ready to run it.

Now start wprime155 then minimize it. Then attempt to start firestrike. If you do it right, both test should run. Once firstrike is finished then you can exit out of wprime155. (make sure wprime155 is ran as administrator)
You can run hwinfo in the background as well.

 

You have hit the power wall and that with a 1070...a bit unexpected, but your system needs exorcism @Scerate, check your mail.

 

what ever happened to the bitspower IHS for the 7700k?.. I remember a few people were going to test out.

I am looking in to improving my temps on my 7700k (currently @ 4.7) I have delidded it and saw good improvement but never replaced the IHS.

did the Bitspower made a difference? I would like 2-3c temp difference to make it worth the work. or is it not worth doing it?

 

Now try lowering the voltage using static first...Then once you find the lowest point...Come back and change to adaptive and make minor adjustments then.

 

@Johnksss thx for the help, but just got exorcised again from the magic man @Prema was as i expected and you said EC, my modded 1070 chugs a bit too much



CPU stays at 4.5ghz now, thx for the christmas present

Edit: so no CPU throttle + new (just a tiny bit more) firestrike highscore LINK
now i have to just look, what causes W10 FCU to drop the score so extremely, thank god i was intelligent enough and make a backup from my LTSB

 

Thanks John, I will try that. I got an above average 7700k been running 4.7 @ 1075v static. I will change it to adaptive and mess with it a little more.

However I would like to know if the bitspower IHS makes a difference at all... wonder if anyone out there have tried it and if it made any noticeable positive results.

 

No problem.


I can't really say since I ordered the wrong one.

 

It happens! I think @Mr. Fox tried the BitsPower IHS... Maybe he can tell us what he thinks if is worth to replace the stock one or not.

 

OMG....THIS IS AWESOME. positivity and happiness in this dark world....still some signs of joy.....
I should just donate to @Prema even though I don't even have a clevo. This man deserves the support.
Prema how can i support you? Can you PM me? I have something a little nice for you

 

Ok, so I'm running windows 7, but do not have sli option in any of the older drivers. Has anyone came across this problem yet and overcame it? Thanks

 

ah driver issue.. had those good old issue back in the days. im too invested in server 2012 to revert back to windows 7 or server 2008 r2, iirc 7/2008 R2 was the best OS for benchmark, especially 2008r2 had much superior storage performance.

i recall couldnt get 2008r2 bluetooth to work on a laptop so end up giving up on it and had to go for 2012 which ended up where i am now. using it on m18xr2 and p570wm.

 

Do you get SLI support with the newer drivers? Or none?

 

Yep. Just not the older ones.

 

Yes, absolutely 100% worth it. It greatly improved contact and pressure with the heat sink, especially after I lapped it. But, only worth it if you buy the Skylake version. It fits Kaby Lake fine. It is 1mm thicker than stock IHS, so it helps for the same reason using a copper shim can help. The stock height Kaby Lake Bitspower is a waste of money. Don't even bother with the Kaby Lake version.

That's weird. Yes. I ran into that problem on Trafficante's desktop and 1080 Ti SLI with older drivers. SLI still works fine with older drivers in the DM3, but not the TM1? I never had any problem with 375.70 @j95 mod (my preferred/best driver for benching) on the DM3.

Finally got this achievement on the bot. http://hwbot.org/achievement/20906_

 

Try this if you haven't already:

Download the older drivers (desktop version)
Modify the inf to include the 1080N
Disable driver signature enforcement and try installing

See if that helps

 

SLI licence has been updated by NVIDIA, so older driver can't understand it. If the desktop driver can't fix it, we would have to make a special Mod which the older drivers can understand and work with...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/prema-bios-questions.795536/page-14#post-10650672

 

Thanks Mr. Fox, going to be installing one this weekend

 

DM3 they work fine, but then the DM3 has the older cards as well.
TM1 looks like the lowest it will go for SLI is in the 385 range.

Great going on the new achievement!!

Yep. Already tried that and no go.

Hummm, that does make sense. Looks like a special mod may be in order at the end of the day.

 

Thanks. As you know well, lots of time and effort.

Hmm... Perhaps something has changed something with the vBIOS? Do the newer Clevo 1080 GPUs seem to be the same, better or worse for overclocking limits and throttling?

http://hwbot.org/submission/3739360_

 

@Mr. Fox

The newer ones seem more of a lack luster mix. And I don't even think the older GPU's even work right in the TM1. Of course that is speculation at this point.














There is also a FPS lock at 480 FPS in Windows 7, thus why the lower GPU score for Vantage when using newer drivers.

 

Nice scores, Brother John. What are the 8700K temps for the TM1 looking like in 3DMark 11 and Vantage at 5.0GHz with AC? Without AC are they still pretty decent, or off the charts crazy hot? Is yours delidded?

Now, that is interesting. That's something new, right? I don't remember seeing a lock like that before. Wonder how much the douche bags at Micro$loth paid the Green Goblin to inject their Windows 7 drivers with frame limiter cancer? The plot with the Redmond Mafia thickens, LOL. I don't think those losers could run an honest business if Nadella's life depended on it.

 

P88481
Windows 10
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5663363

Not even sure where that cap is located at either. I tired a few things but still locked out at 480/481, but on older drivers and no sli. The card worked normal.

Side note:
Premamod is stable with 3460 Mhz just like stock was. (4x8GB)

 

Talk about ram...
G.SKILL Announces DDR4 SO-DIMM at 4000MHzCL18-18-18-38 32GB (4x8GB)
And nice benchmark scores, sir

 

Awesome. Don't forget to lap it. Unless you want to do before and after testing on the lap job.

 

They do have a habit of announcing products and not following through. Corsair announced and launched after this.

 

All marketing at this point. They propably have a single working set...
They can't even deliver 3200Mhz RAM in sufficient quantities and have pushed sending out their 3800Mhz samples, which where announced months ago, time and again...

 

Thanks @Papusan

But as Meaker points out. That is exactly what they do.

Side note.
I have been waiting on the 3200's/3333's for over 6 months now.

 

The undervolt of my i7-7700K is not sticking... Even when using Throttlestop it always reverts to -100mv. Why Clevo... No XTU traces at all in my setup.

 

Corsair hard launching has to earn a fair amount of respect in comparison.

 

Yes, definitely. Way past due at this point. While I really hate USFF desktops, the fact that some are using MXM and SO-DIMMs may actually turn out to be a blessing for us all. Hopefully, we can steal those parts and use them as we see fit for Clevo monsterbook upgrades. Would be sweet if we end up seeing a 1080 Ti MXM intended for USFF that we can exploit.