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    Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Mobius 1

    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    P870DM2/DM3/KM1 result with lapping + bitspower skylake type IHS + @Mr. Fox 's soldered shim


    Note that vc bridge thermal pad is not installed, laptop only on desk and no additional cooling boost at 23c ambient.


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    Dirty run for CB15 at very high voltage 5GHz (badly tuned, only to show benchmark run)

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    Few hours work to get it to where I'm okay with temps now.

    I daily 4.5Ghz for gaming/work and realistically I never see these temps. Just the noise might be excessive to some.
     
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  2. Mr. Fox

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    Nice improvements, bro. Much better than where you started.
     
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    75c at idle

    thanks sager!
     
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    It would seem that 3200 Mhz Ripjaws will run in the TM1 if you set voltage to 1.3V.
    More testing is needed though.
    [​IMG]

    3200 Mhz with just a bclk adjustment produced 1 error.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I'm really liking @Prema's work :D

    EDIT: Is kabylake for the DM1 still being worked on? what's the progress on that?
     
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  6. thegh0sts

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    Separate question: how do you overclock 2400MHz DDR4 RAM in a P870DM-G?
     
  7. temp00876

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    If you have @Prema bios (which you have), the 7700k should be plug-and-play. Make sure you reset the bios to default before replacing the processor.
     
  8. thegh0sts

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    @Mr. Fox said it is only in a test bios...mine is on a different fork.
     
  9. Comprodigy

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    Omg, I want that bios..... So jelly. Cant even get mine to hold 4.7GHz for some unknown reason.
     
  10. Juang1985

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    Will do! I got all my sand paper ready! Thanks again
     
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    Damn it! I can't even overclock my RAM to 2666MHz because all I get is a blank screen on reboot :(

    I wonder if it has to do with the fact that I am using a non-compliant (to the system) GTX 1070 G-sync card with a G-sync panel???

    The only thing I can do is a CPU overclock :p
     
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    I couldn't even get XMP to work... even at the exact same default settings as they ran 24/7, 2666cl18 2x16gb ripjaws on my DM... Not even with 1.4V.
     
  14. Johnksss

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    Don't worry. I couldn't get them (16GB Ripjaws) to run either with using XMP
     
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    @Mr. Fox @Papusan @overclockers in general, and at bga peeps, @hmscott @Ionising_Radiation

    [​IMG]

    the guy prob picked up a 5.3 from SL. SL saying its 5.3 but on a stress test software, CB15 isn't that stressful so the guy doing 5.4 and upping bclk, low ram frequency though prob needed for stability.

    bga.. no 5.4 nor bclk OC for laptop :'(
     
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  16. Johnksss

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    Yes, we have bclk. :)
    [​IMG]


    Thats a nice score by Mr DStealth
     
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    LOL damn 48x at 5.1 pretty cool. that bclk stable for your other components like pcie ssds and memory? well im guessing it is otherwise you wouldnt have a shot rofl
     
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  18. Johnksss

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    That was max, but anything from 99.7 up to 105.00 can be made to be stable. All depends on the user and what he or she has installed.
     
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  20. Meaker@Sager

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    Oh I don't think you could complain too much on a fully water cooled ITX system fully clocked up?
     
  21. ole!!!

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    @Meaker@Sager do you know if m.2 slots in these laptops can take double sided m.2 ssds or single sided?
     
  22. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    I think that I could and would. I understand small can be powerful, but I still do not care for compact computers or vehicles. My personal preference is large laptops and large desktops. I like all the parts to be full-sized and lots of extra space to work in the chassis. I would not want a desktop that uses MXM or SO-DIMM parts, but I am glad they are starting to get traction so we can exploit it with laptops instead of just settling for what little is available. This could change things in a positive way for notebooks as long as the USFF desktop stuff is not geared primarily for gamer kids. If that is what happens, it could have the unwanted effect of dumbing-down things with Mickey Mouse desktops that are on the same level as mainstream gamer kid notebooks. In all but the most unique one-off scenarios, smaller means compromised in one way or another. I went back to desktops because I've had a gut full of compromises.
     
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  23. Meaker@Sager

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    Double sided will be fine.
     
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  25. Mr. Fox

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    Nice scores. Also nice to see the TM1 has the higher CPU voltage capacity that the DM and KM were always lacking and holding them back from overclocking higher.
     
  26. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    May I see any higher? :D Don't say no :p or Nope. And I don't like the date... 12/25/2017. The Christmas is over :eek:
     
  27. Mr. Fox

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    Unless there is something else missing, like too much vdroop, 1.500V should handle 5.2-5.3GHz. I use 1.425V for 5.2GHz on 8700K.
     
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    It's not using higher voltage...It's in fact using less....
    Christmas is in 3 days. :)
    This is more like 1.31V at best. Speculations of course.
     
  29. Papusan

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    Not here in Norway. For me Tomorrow :D Where is @Prema now? :p
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    It's the 23rd where Prema is. It's the 22nd where i'm at now.
     
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    So blank screen on boot = problem?
     
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    Someone I know has an 8700K that does 5.2GHz at...

    wait for it...

    1.2v.

    I told him he should probably sell the chip and buy another and pocket the rest
     
  33. Mr. Fox

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    Well, if you count me then you know two people now. :vbwink: Mine will run 5.2GHz at 1.200V-1.250V as well, but benchmark scores are lower. I increase the voltage until the scores start dropping, then go back a step. I never shoot for the lowest possible voltage because the benchmark scores are more important than achieving the lowest possible voltage. Maybe the other guy should consider tinkering more to optimize his performance.
     
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    I have to agree with Brother @Mr. Fox . Sometimes more voltage is better even though you can post at a lower voltage.
     
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    Chips will also degrade over time, so leaving some margin will ensure better long term stability.
     
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    Considering all things degrade over time, one has to decide if they want the best performance or a CPU that last many years beyond obsolescence. By the time my CPU wears out, I'm pretty sure I won't care and probably won't own it any more because it will be too old to care. It's not like I am stressing it out beyond reason and running insanely dangerous levels of voltage that can kill it prematurely. If I were, I would need a Plan B in case I kill it.
     
  37. Meaker@Sager

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    [​IMG]

    (Chart from anandtech looking back at 45nm)

    Ride too close and after a year you could find what was stable is no longer, this is at normal operating voltages.
     
  38. Mr. Fox

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    Wow, so Intel's recommended default/reference voltage for stock clocks is going to cause accelerated failures so they can sell replacement CPUs, LOL. Nice!

    Looks like the chart shows high temps are the primary villain here, but we already knew that.
     
  39. Meaker@Sager

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    I am just talking about a voltage step or two just so you can set and forget.
     
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    Hasn't really been borne out by history though has it. The CPU is the least likely part to fail in a sanely OCed system, the OC community tends to find what is a "safe" overvolt range fairly quickly.

    Especially for the 99.99% of users who leave it on adaptive voltage who wouldn't notice a hotter operating temperature until it thermal throttles so bad it's causing playback issues on YouTube...

    Where Intel do unconscionably force obsolescence is with the new chip/new chipset thing - and even now with 1151, locking out backwards compatibility when the socket is the same, where *at stock* no CFL exceeds power draws (>100W) that heavily OCed 6700K and 7700K have proven fine with. Intel could have said "yeah all the CPUs below 8700K are totally fine but for optimum overclocking performance on the K's you need Z370"...
     
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  41. Mr. Fox

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    I was only being facetious in that post. I totally agree with you. The component least likely to fail is an Intel CPU. They rarely ever fail due to overclocking, and have a very low defect rate (excluding poor bin quality as a defect). I am not saying they cannot be damaged, but you have to do something pretty extreme to kill an Intel CPU.
     
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    Have fun while you have the chips :D You won't be screwed in same way as with BGA if you have to replace it :vbthumbsup: Enjoy the happiness of owning LGA. Btw... Only 45 min and I can see 24. Dec 2017 :) Merry X mas to you all.
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    Tomorrow is Christmas Eve here. Merry Christmas to all... Remember the Reason for the Season.


    The one I sent is the one @Prema provided for the HWBOT Team, so maybe it got changed. Will have to find out.
     
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    Winter solistice?
     
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    Many people brought together for many reasons to be around those who make our lives what they are. To those who can't be such as those serving their country I hope you get to be soon!
     
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  46. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    A blessed Christmas everyone!

    And to stay on topic:
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    The magic smoke usually can't be put back in when it escapes :(
     
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    Ho ho ho, santa is coming out of his laptop, ho ho ho!
    (Might itb be burnt thermal paste?)
     
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    Death of a Gutless Wonder ™
     
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    If your thermal paste is burning then something else went dead long ago.
     
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