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    Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Mr. Fox

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    I agree with you.
    Since BGA laptop is thinner and lighter, there is enough reason to buy one.
    BGA has limitation but people who need BGA really doenst care about much performance but concern more about mobility.
     
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    Nooooooooooooooooo
    Serious note. Sweet!
    How did you manage to score more at the same GPU clocks but lower CPU clocks? I have a feeling even my 4.8ghz is dropping to 4ghz sometimes.
    Also how much difference does memory speed make ?
    Also dang, you card barely needs any voltages to reach those clocks, or could it be the AC ?
     
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    In Fire Strike not much. In 3DMark 11 a little bit more because CPU performance carries a lot more weight than it does in Fire Strike. Memory speeds help more in CPU benching and close to zero benefit in GPU benching. Fire Strike is mainly GPU focused.

    Yes, AC cooling helps tremendously. It allows you to use less voltage for CPU and GPU. The colder the processor(s) are the less voltage they require. That was one of my first lessons from the master @johnksss - " keep it cool if you want to rule" - With Maxwell GPUs, keeping the temps below 70°C also helps prevent the stupid black screen lock-up that Maxwell GPUs are famous for when overclocking.
     
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    A very nice bench score bro Fox. I'm waiting for my extra PSU + Power box I ordered shall come. It's time I get my extra PSU now, because too much benching over longer time will definitely kill my flimsy single 330W, HaHa. It will be costly benchmarks if I continue to bench with only a single one. This machines isn't made for a single flimsy power adapters, LOL
    I think a single 330w psu fit much better for a beast with a single Gtx980m :D
     
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    Hey Papusan, where were you able to find the AC-100 converter?
     
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    There is a plus/minus 5% variance on benchmarking. So if you want the best score, run it ten times and take the highest.
     
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    Because this isn't a BGABooK :D Sorry. I had to say this :rolleyes: :D
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Not cool bro. Not cool. :mad:
     
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    Damn you bro, aka BGA lover ;) :confused:
     
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    Come on tell us already. Why the difference ?
     
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    Bench is Bench. If you had the same score all the time, it would be boring :D. Always a variety as @tgipier says. And still waiting for my extra PSU and power box. Seems I need it. Not so good in the long run to push this single 330W much more :(
     
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    Hmm.. So it's simply the bench score variation ?
     
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    Yeah, that would be a good idea. A GTX 980 itself can easily push up to 330w by itself when seriously overclocked, well, at least when not under the leash of the nvidia stock vbios.
     
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    Try 3 run Fire Strike right after another. You can not get 13,000 - 13,000 and 13000P. Not exactly the same score. A little variety is more what it will be.

    @tgipier We talk about +++390w on a single 330w. This isn't good in the long run. More expencive if I need to buy 2 instead of only one extra. I crashed also 2 power adapters for my AW17 in bench. I don't want to repeat that.
     
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    Aye sirr!
     
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    To improve your chances at getting a good score, watch a temperature graph of your CPU/GPU, and watch for the temps to return to their lowest before starting another benchmark run - perhaps leave a little more time at lowest temp to cool everything off :)

    A Portable Air Conditioner reduces that waiting time ;)

    You can also improve scores by stopping anything and everything not needed to run the benchmark. All apps, services, scheduled jobs, network, lower the resolution, disable sound processing, speak softly...
     
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  20. Papusan

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    And hope for the best :p
     
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    I managed to cook a mix of settings based on what @Mr. Fox did in one of his videos , and now the clocks hold steady at 4.8 and 4.9 Ghz.
    Managed to get upto 11.65 in Cinebench 11.5 .
    But having a really weird problem with Firestrike Physics test. The FPS starts out at a good 50+ , but suddenly drops to 10-20 fps for a few seconds and then steadies around 45. Not sure why that is happening. When doing Cinebench, everything holds super steady. Any clue ?
    I'm not having any voltage warnings like before, so seems that everything is well under limits.
     
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    Remember different bench provides different load. Clock speed is stable throughout the physics?
     
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    Yeah. Seems to be .
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Without you, none of this would have been possible. It must be very fun for you too..., see the results of your hard work :rolleyes: :p. I think most owners have fun with this machine :D especially with your unlocked firmvare!! And I haven't forgot @unclewebb
     
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    Took me a while to read all of the posts, but it was worth it. I learned a lot from you guys :)

    Shoutout to @Prema for his sbios and vbios magic! Without it, this would never have been possible. Here's my OC results:

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11244048
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8451326

    I could only get +240/+350 on the Core/Mem @+100mv. Initially, I've tried +500 only on the memory leaving the core at stock @+100mv but I get artifacts. I'll try with max voltage as @Mr. Fox suggested a couple of pages earlier.

    Edit: No luck on mem freq, but I was able to add +30Mhz on core. Benchmarks updated.

    Once again thanks :)
     
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    So my new heatsink for the 980 arrived today from EUROCOM, and boy has it made a difference. Earlier on i was not able to do +200/+400 with anything under +37.5 mV now i can do the same with 12.5mV. I cant wait to see how far i can push this card with an AC under it.

    @Papusan @Mr. Fox How are you guys getting 55fps+ in physics test @ 4.8Ghz ? I was able to nail down the exact voltage where my processor is perfectly stable at 4.8Ghz with the cache running at 4.5Ghz (no warnings or voltage throttling), but i average around 47-50fps.

    Any pointers? Also those dips to 10-20fps are no longer happening if i do the entire bench run, instead of doing a custom Physics only run.

    For example this run : http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/11996906 Temps were all under 65C for the GPU and under 63 for the CPU.
     
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    Nice, better heatsink can make a difference :). I don't know, but try your previous stable 4.7GHz profile and test to see if the same happens. Your Firestrike score seems maybe a bit low as you use 1508 vs 1488 from one of my previous bench http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7913915/fs/8449464#

    Also same tendency in this bench comparison http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8449464/fs/7924459#
     
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    Well with my 4.8Ghz settings I easily managed 1048 in Cinebench R15. I'm guessing the processor seems to be fine. It's even stable under other types or rendering and gaming workloads. Only ****s the bed with Firestrike.
    The slightly lower scores is what I can't understand. I don't think it's because of the 4k panel.

    I dont get the inconsistency with the physics score :
    http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8449464/fs/8455039/fs/8455117#
    First one is @4.8Ghz and then other 2 @ 4.7Ghz as you asked @Papusan
    [​IMG]
    https://gyazo.com/6710ed173c165f2602ac8f6f81ce1d73
     
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    Not easy to get it when everything seems to work properly in all other tests. What if you only run physics test? And the same also if you run Firestrike with stock gpu? I mean I have seen your physics was a bit better in earlier tests. Maybe I have wrong.
     
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    @Phoenix @Papusan
    If you get the time, can either one of you run the Skydiver demo @ +153/+250 and tell me what the max temps and power draw for you? This shouldn't need any extra voltage. Just run the demo ,not the benchmark.
    For a friend of mine sometimes it black screens out towards the end of the run but for me it runs fine 3 out of 5 times back to back. Temps seem to be perfectly fine and cooling doesn't seem to be an issue.
    Would really appreciate it.

    Yeah it was way better in the earlier tests. That's the thing it's super inconsistent. One moment it's fine and the next it's lower by 300 points, with nothing changed .
    Yeah it's the same with everything at stock as well. The Physics scores seem all over the place.
    Also when I only run the Physics test I get dips to 10-20fps for a few seconds and then it goes back to normal. And there was no throttling happening, the clocks held steady.
     
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  36. Papusan

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    Maybe try your older settings(if you still have them). Try also stock processor speed and see if the same happens there too.
    BTW. You also stay far away from XTU.
     
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    Come on man, im offended you think that i even have XTU installed. tsk tsk.
    These are the exact same settings from before. All that is changed is the clock speeds and voltage. But with the old settings the clocks would throttle sometimes. With these it doesn't throttle at all.
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    We should implement an auto-ban for whoever uses the "three lettered word that shall not be named". :p
     
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    THIS. !!

    But yeah @Papusan It happens with stock settings as well, the Physics scores always change around a lot. But the difference isn't this big. The last OC clocks had a difference of 300 Physics points. Which is just absurd for similar clocks.
    Like these 2 results :
    http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8455039/fs/8455117#

    The first is more in line with Mr. Fox's physics score @ 4.7Ghz as well. But the second one make me want to rip my hair out.
     
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    I suggest that we have auto replace feature on the forum that substitutes the word XTU to VIRUS. Seriously, only a format would fix the damage it does to the fan tables.
     
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    Dang, I didn't meant to offend you bro :( Some use Xtu for monitoring and bump up Bclk. I newer touch that bloatware. Only used on Aw17 in the beginning.
    Have you tried stock processor?
     
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    what setting did you use for 4.8 GHz? is it even stable?

    I got my Thermal Grizzly Kyronaut I think I will repaste when I open my laptop for upgrading to my 3000 MHz G.Skill RAM on Monday
     
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    Yep http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-240#post-10256352

    Yeap, i can even bench at 4.9Ghz, trying to get 5Ghz stable, my processor in a desktop, hit 5.1Ghz last night perfectly stable with max temps @ 65C under a H110i GTX using Kryonaut.
    Main problem right now is getting Firetstrike to stop derping around.
    Too many things to describe here tbh, but its a mix of TS and stuff i learnt from Mr.Fox's 4.7Ghz video.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I think I will need some help from Mr. Fox soon to teach me some more magical tricks
     
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    At those clock speeds your CPU begins to starve under load, hence the difference in score.
    You probably need to raise the voltage...
     
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    I actually, did, had the system chillin on top of a big ass fan so things were kinda cold. At that point the system stays stable but the voltage protection or something kicks in.
    A few of these settings, no idea what half of these mean, so cant easily diagnose.
    But mainly i have seen Thermal Event (Even though the temps are under 60C) , Electrical Design Point (for IA) and Max VR Voltage (for RING) pop up. But that too at 4.9 Ghz or 5 Ghz. Things stay normal at anything at 4.8Ghz or lower.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    @Phoenix - this video is made with the Mirillis Action. This capture software is awesome. Thank you.

    I played the game and then encoded the video with the CPU at 4.7GHz and the max CPU temp was 76°C.

    [parsehtml]<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/H62T07bIstA?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/parsehtml]
     
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    awesome bro! I am glad this software made your life easier!
     
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    Wait, what? XTU messes with the fan tables? But my W230SS appears to perform normally with or without it...
     
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    I think it varies by machine, and by the version of XTU you are using. It does not cause problems with the fan tables on all machines. On some it causes no problems at all and others you are better off not having it installed. The newer the version of XTU the greater the chance it will cause issues or malfunction, or so it seems. Unfortunately, that principle seems to apply to a lot of things today, not just XTU.

    It really is excellent. I am impressed with it. Fortunately, the principle mentioned above does not apply to this product.
     
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