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    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Mar 4, 2016.

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    DDR4-3000 AIDA64 Benchmark
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    XMP Profile #1... (above post is XMP Profile #2).

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    Nice ram, Brother!
    Can you please show us the xmp profile shown in the bios?
     
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    please give me the cropped image of your RAM Benchmark as you are now the new RAM King smoking my 2800 MHz RAM Benchmark
     
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    Can i have your wallpaper? Do you have other cool wallpapers? :) @Papusan also has a nice wallpaper but the text is nsfw. Rofl.
     
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    This
    Kunshan BIOS v4.jpg
    is my boot logo, not just used as wallpaper. Reminds me that I should fight against BGA every time I boot up the beast!! :eek:
    I think @Mr. Fox have posted some wallpapers in one of the Clevo threads for @Phoenix But, yes ask him first.
     
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    Well i leave in a very conservative country and i am pretty sure that pic will turn heads non stop rofl. I bet it wont be able to make to the front door because as soon as my family and gf see it, they will be nagging me non stop to remove it. Rofl. But this is a very unique way in fighting back the evil that is BGA.
     
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    Thanks. Getting ready to leave on a business trip now. That was the first benchmark sitting in my recliner watching The Blacklist with Mrs. Fox, LOL. I still need to de-lid the 4790K and it needs it badly for overclocking. Undecided whether I want to use the vice or razor blade method. Just finished the triple-boot OS set up this afternoon, but still installing software under W7 and 8.1. The Sandisk M.2 SSDs should be delivered waiting for me when I get home, so I will just clone that over to the new RAID0 volume.
     
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    I think you are quite safe with the razorblade method, as you have already used that on your Skylake.
     
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    If you go with the razor method, i would suggest the double sided shaving razors. They cut through the glue like butter , just gotta be careful. This is of course, if you are not already doing the same.
     
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    I almost did it, but given the location of the FIVR components I am thinking about which is the safest route. The vice method actually looks very gentle. You don't have to use a hammer, just squeeze the PCB on one side and the IHS on the other and that will tear the adhesive seal apart. Looks pretty easy.

    Yes, that is what I used on the 6700K. They are also much thinner do slice through it like hot butter.
     
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    Can someone do a Skydiver Demo only run @ +175/+300 (no extra voltage or 12.5mV if you really need to) and tell me what your max temps are after the demo finishes?
    Stock cooling, do not use an AC please lol.
    @Papusan @Phoenix
     
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    @Mr. Fox

    What happend to your p570wm?
     
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    Yep, that´s how i delided my 4790K. ;)
     
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    To those who use 6700k laptops (p870dm, p7xxdm), I have a question regarding cpu clock fluctuation during real games and ice storm and maybe some other benches except firr strike.

    My laptop is suffering from cpu clock fluctuation during ice storm graphic tests. It seems that during physics test the clock remains as OCed but not during graphic tests.
    And this phenomenon is also observed during real games.
    How is yours?
     
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    I've have just noticed this issue and is a current limit. I have sent information to Neil from xmg (who I bought my 771dm-g from)and is hopefully going to try and recreate the issue in there R&D department.

    Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
     
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    Sorry, I've been out of the OC community for about 4 years now. Can you tell me which program you are using to monitor the fluctuation? :) I'll try to replicate this and get back to you.
     
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    The one I have used is xtu. Just turn on current thermal limit. Mine is fine in all CPU stresses and benches UNTIL you use the GPU at the same time.

    Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
     
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    Not having that issue with Prema BIOS. Does ThrottleStop help with stock BIOS?
     
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    I am using prema with TS but still having trouble :(

    So your CPU is holding the clock during all the 3dmark graphic tests right?
    Two of my friends who uses p870dm with prema also experience the same problem.
    We can't figure what is wrong.

    The strange thing is that the cpu holds the clock during cpu benches such as cinebench/wprime and 3dmark physics tests, but not during graphic tests.
     
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    Maybe I missed it in an earlier post, but do yall get a message when launching Throttlestop "CPU not supported"?
     
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    No I dont get that message. Never seen it.
     
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    I thought it was weird, but as I haven't started overclocking yet, I put it on my to-do list for a later date.
     
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    Which version of throttlestop are you using? Version 810 will detect the 6700k :)
     
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    Thanks bud, that was it. Version 8.1 was labeled as beta, and I tend to shy away from betas. I was using 6.0.
     
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    New and better Firestrike score - 14474P @Phoenix By BGA PUSSY-CRUSHING KILLER!! Well over 14450P now. Soon maybe over 14500P :rolleyes: I know that physics score have more to give in bench. Have had 15522 in physics in earlier Firestrike bench.
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/12050777
    Skjermbilde (755).png

    This BGA KILLER notebook would come on shared 7th place in the desktop section for Firestrike with (i7-6700K and single GTX 980). Not bad for a laptop:D
    DESKTOP.png

     
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    Yes, according to my OSD the CPU clocks are holding. Maybe your BIOS or ThrottleStop settings need to be tweaked. I know the problem you are talking about, but I haven't experienced it since December (mentioned in the link posted as a reply to you earlier today). Probably something really simple.
     
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    I have the same problem but the CPU dips for a second or so to 4 GHz so according to HWiNFO my average clock is just 3 MHz less than my actual OC speed. As you mentioned it only happens graphics tests or games not in any other CPU bound stress test or benchmark. I have all my power limits and Turbo maxed out in the BIOS so there is nothing to fix, seems like a problem with the EC firmware
     
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    I have the opposite issue, they hold during all tests other than the FireStrike Physics Test. However the same clocks work with every other benchmark.
     
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    I've followed the link and read that the new EC firmware is the problematic one.
    What EC version are you using for p870dm?
    I am using EC that prema gave me together with his bios.
     
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    CPU holds the clock during cpu benches + 3DMark tests that I have an interest to run. Have seen a pair glitches in Firestrike, but this is quite rare... Fairly ok score in the tests I run.
    A moderate Firestrike score from today. Not the best one, but stil ok.
    upload_2016-5-17_6-2-30.png upload_2016-5-17_6-4-54.png

    Edit: Stock Gpu
    upload_2016-5-17_6-10-0.png upload_2016-5-17_6-11-25.png
     
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    That's my EC version as seen in the attached image.

    Yeah, you and Mr. Fox have no issues in holding clocks no matter what. Heck you get better results using 1 Power Brick than any of us with 2 bricks lol.

    But no matter what i have tried, be it anything from 4.5Ghz to 4.9Ghz i get dips to 4Ghz when running Firestrike Physics test. The same settings, hold super steady for all other benchmarks, like Wprime, TS Bench, CineBench, the render engines that i use for work, Prime95, etc etc.

    I have tried using BIOS only settings, i have tried TS only settings, i have tried BIOS+TS hybrid settings, nothing stops it from throttling to 4Ghz. And all of is this with the systems bottom cover off and having it sit on top of an AC, with sub 50C Load temperatures.

    Would be helpful if one you guys can post a few 4.7Ghz settings or something, so that others can compare and see whats going on, or what we are doing wrong.
     

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    I tested some of Mr. Fox different 4.7GHz settings before and they worked well. A good starting point for further testing. The processor should not clock down with his original 4.7 GHz settings.
    Now I will make me settings for 4.3 and 4.5GHz when I get some more time to tweak. And a single 330W is just too weak if you should bench often. It gets hot gradually, LOL. Hope it does not break until I get one extra. These are not exactly cheap at home, and if you are lucky to get them here. 2 of my 240W which I used for my AW17 went to Hell under bench. So I hope everything go well this time :rolleyes:
     
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    I think, 4.3 and 4.5 settings by Phoenix work well for 99% people. My 4.6Ghz settings hold steady as well, unless i do a Firestrike Physics bench.
    Just to make sure my settings weren't bad, i made sure my processor can do low voltage in a desktop with a rather standard skylake board.
     
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    I don't have a silicone lottery chips, but think it should go very well with 4.3 GHz, LOL
    When very few <Golden> 6820 BGA chips almost manages 4.1 on all 4, then shouldn't 4.3 GHz be a problem, HaHa
    Will I see 4.6GHz on all 4 in Wprime 1024M after this post :rolleyes:? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-liquid-ultra-pro.791489/page-3#post-10257902
     
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    Eh, dont get what you mean, but no you wont. That processor just isn't meant to do it. And if that is to say that not every 6700k will do 4.6-4.8Ghz, sure as hell that wont happen. But mine does, and so do a lot of the others. Main thing is that there is a serious lack of information on what settings in the BIOS do. @Mr. Fox had @johnksss help him out a lot, you probably know almost everything already. But people who are new to the party like me have no where to find any of this info.

    Point being, there is something a lot of us are missing here, or there is something else funky going on. I also dont have a Silicon Lottery CPU, but my processor can do 5.1Ghz @ 1.475V easy on a desktop board. And in the P870DM it can easily hold 5Ghz with max temps of 70-75C. And can easily bench at Cinebench and other CPU intensive benchmarks @4.9Ghz.

    But in FireStrike the bloody things decides to throttle to 4Ghz no matter what, and i haven't had a single useful reply to why this could be happening. As i mentioned earlier, while benching - Laptop is on top of an AC with the bottom cover off. Have tried BIOS settings, have tried TS only settings and have tried a mix of both. Nothing helps.

    Another thing is that 4.3Ghz to 4.5Ghz wont really help with higher over clocks. I figured out how to stabilize 4.5Ghz-4.6Ghz on my system without any guide or help of any sort. It was way later that i found Mr. Fox's videos, that i actually learnt something useful and tightened those settings up.

    Please dont take this the wrong way, im just at my wits end. Heck i have tried 3 6700ks's that behave the exact same way.
     
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    Mr. Fox's settings don't work for me, the moment I set any manual voltage and bam, the CPU clock goes own to 2.5 GHz
     
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    Thats probably because the voltage is too high for your processor. Hit me up later this weekend on Skype and ill show you how to tackle that and find stable voltage/offset using TS.
    Will show you a way, where you can setup a base offset in the BIOS and a multiplier, and still be able to control things with TS for benching. Once you are done and restart the system the old base settings that you choose work as normal.
     
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    He clamed that he gamed with 4.6 GHz with his BGA junk... upload_2016-5-17_7-41-31.png

    I asked you earlier if the same thing happened with stock clock speed... You confirmed that the same problem occurs with stock clock also. And you now say that the same thing happens with 3 different 6700K. How work it in stock orginal bios (Not Prema bios but with proper EC firmware)?
     
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    That was actually my error, i did not restart HWINFO for stock speeds. But it does not happen at stock speeds. Or i guess it does? because there is always a minimum of 4Ghz and a max of 4.2Ghz, so not sure how to interpret that.

    I have never tried overclocking with the stock BIOS, always been on Prema BIOS. Also isnt the stock EC bugged? And has the throttling issues? I dont remember there being a fix for that issue with a proper EC from Clevo's end. Only Prema managed to fix it.

    Heck i can claim i ran Benches at 5Ghz on this processor, which i have for like 2mins? Which doesn't really count. Or maybe he just got lucky ?? LOL
     
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    Thanks for the Firestrike details. How about ice storm or sky diver in 3dmark?
    Does your CPU clock remain still during graphic tests?
     
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    Yes, Newer EC version made trouble. Thought more if you have tried stock bios with Ec fixed (An Older version). Think I read a place that set the limits to high can cause issues . Can not remember who hinted this. But I will not say that this is the problem. Maybe worth a try? Or maybe wrong shoot in the sky.
    Have also tested Sky Diver with max clock in the whole test. Also with an ok score. Not the highest Oc on Gpu but still.

    Edit: Sky Diver
    upload_2016-5-17_8-36-46.png
    http://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode...pu/sd/P/1061/500000?minScore=0&gpuName=NVIDIA

    I have higher score but with lower Oc on Gpu http://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/4038489/sd/3983838#
     
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