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ya, at this point im actually leaning more towards the bios, because that is the only that that has changed on my system (the board was replaced)

 

Right, it's a "Suck's Daily Double" for Clevo + XTU

That's too bad cause XTU has been a go to tool for a long time, TS not withstanding.

It's tough enough trying to help most people that aren't technically minded to slide a couple of sliders in the XTU GUI to increase and decrease numbers, but trying to explain all the TS detail's to keep in mind makes their eye's glaze over and small mumbling sounds emit from their face.

 

I hear ya. .. haven't got into TS much yet, still prefer a bios because you set it, it works (so long as the firmware is good)! But xtu is good if you have nothing else and don't know how to use TS for some reason (it's all there though). Then again, it could just be my modified windows build causing the effects when xtu is installed.

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There are CPU situations where TS is the only solution, but so far for me on all my laptops, XTU has done enough.

Most people don't care about the details. They want a "go fast" button, and any more than that, lots of numbers and graphics and flippy switches, and they are very uncomfortable.

 

Same score with XTU bench 4.6 GHz. The score lie on this level with this cheap OEM ram. I must start saving some money to better ram after my 1 month holidays on Canary Island, LOL. Can't ask my wife now
http://hwbot.org/submission/3247707_papusan_xtu_core_i7_6700k_1486_marks?recalculate=true
Edit. Wrong pict.

 

Phase 2 : (couldn't really wait around for my 120mm hole saw and the 3k rpm vardar's to arrive next week)




More pikchurs : http://imgur.com/a/I9jEP


Also, i took the GPU heatsink off again and added a 15mmx15mm copper shim, hand sanded (1000/1500/2000/2500 Grit) down to .15mm from .5mm between the core and the heat sink.
(Core -> CLU -> Shim - > CLU -> Heat Sink)

And took the system for a test run. (Room temperature was 28C)



http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/12681842

Look at the power draw @ +300/+500 @ 1.3V xD

I really wanted to see how hot it gets and hence the max voltage.

One thing i observed, at these high clocks, the thermal pads cant cool the memory chips properly. I have to hold the laptop on top of an AC or a fan to keep the heat sink cool, and even then there are a lot of artifacts around.
But with the thermal paste applied, 0 artifacts.

But i cant seem to solve my black screen towards the end of the Skydiver demo, the bench mark runs perfectly fine, but i always black screen somewhere around when she throws the flare upwards. The same clocks hold perfectly fine with great temps in any other bench mark (and demo).

I have the liquid metal pads coming in next week as well, gonna give those a shot just to see how well they work on the GPU. Might as well end up shimming the CPU

Sorry about the poor quality images, i still haven't gotten around to setting up my new phone.

 

@bloodhawk - the black screen means you are pushing the GPU too hard and it is entering "crisis" mode. The MOSFETs are giving out because you're pushing it too hard. The same behavior can be seen on crappy 980M samples with defective MOSFETs even when you are not pushing them too hard for what a good 980M should be able to handle. I had several trash 980M samples like that, and the one 970M that I have is a piece of garbage as well... same problem. Keeping it cold on AC will help a ton with the black screen issue, but the artifacts are a really bad thing (pink or green spots or squares) and if you see those back off or you'll end up causing permanent damage if you keep running it like that. Keeping is cold on AC will not help with that part, it just means you're pushing it hard enough to kill it.

 

Gotcha.
Weird thing is that no more artifacts since I modded the heatsink. I ran those clocks twice. Both times nothing abnormal.

 

Must have been getting really hot before.

 

Yeah thats what i hate about these heatsinks, even though the core stays cool other components not so much.

 

Actually they are really good if you can get some that are not deformed. I've had excellent results from the Sky X9 review machine and my own P870DM, but the production quality control seems to leave a lot to be desired. Clevo seems to be very inconsistent with QC, especially on heat sinks. I don't get that either, because heat sinks are one of the critical components they should be burning lots of calories on getting right. As you and most of the regulars around here already know, the original CPU heat ink that I had in the Panther and the one I have now in the P750ZM were both lousy.

 

Ah, im just unlucky then i guess. Both my heat sinks are not even. The new one however is somewhat better (about -5C) difference with stock pads).
Im trying to get hold of a hot air station, gonna see if i can solder some better copper plates to the heatsink. Basically an additional thin layer to make the contact distance as little as possible.

If you dont mind me asking, what TIM setup are you using on your Phoenix?
Im planning on giving the Liquid metal pads a shot, going to PAD->shim->Pad.

 

I am using the stock pads with IC Diamond on the GPU and on the CPU the stock pads and Liquid Ultra on the die and heat sink sides of the IHS.

Edit: Wait... I might be using Kryonnaut on the GPU. I don't remember now. I think IC Diamond, but I took apart the P750ZM so many times trying different things that I don't remember for 100% certain what I used on the P870DM GPU. I did not have to do anything special on the P870DM other than delid and add the CLU. I repasted the GPU while it was apart only for the sake of convenience.

 

For the gpu, I sealed around the gpu die like you would for Haswell FIVR, then use CLU only on the die. You would not want to use it on other components because you could easily fry those if it ever got to the contacts. Since you have the shims, use a non-conductive paste on those and seal the components around the gpu die just in case if using clu on it.

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Whatever system I get is going to have the mounting adjusted I think, bare die with liquid metal should do the trick.

 

Dont mind the bottom right, already fixed that.

Yeah, stock pads are usually good enough for +150/+300 ish OC's. But with the way the temps are going up here in LA, CLU is needed.
I will try to hammer my CPU heat sink and get it straightened out.

What are your max temps like @ 4.5Ghz ?

 

In the most extreme circumstances around 80°C, but I seldom run the CPU that slow. I generally run it at 4.7GHz. The XTU example at 4.5GHz I posted the other day shows the max temp in the benchmark results. That was with nothing special as far as cooling, other than the U3 it sits on in my lap (no AC cooling).

I live southeast of Phoenix, so I'm definitely familiar with the horrors of hot weather. It was 120°F on Monday and above 110°F all week. Finally getting a break today with a comparatively cool, but still miserable, 104° high temp.

 

Dang! much respect for you sir. I freak out over here if the temps go anything over 75F. That is sad coming from someone who has spent most of his life in India where 110-130F is a normal summer.

Luckily the last 2-3 days have been rather comfortable and didn't quite need the AC.

Gonna CLU the CPU i guess in a few days and see how well that works out.

 

I'm a winter guy and spent the last 30 years of my life in the glorious Pacific Northwest. I don't like living in Phoenix at all, but I am here for family. If it gets above 60°F it's too hot for me and I start wishing it was cooler. My favorite is anywhere between about 20°F and 40°F temps... as long as the wind isn't blowing hard. I wear short sleeves and go with no jacket even when it's snowing. I'm pretty sure if I had a job working in a meat locker or cold storage facility I would like the work environment. I've always said that I would prefer to shiver than sweat. All of that is great for overclocking, too.

 

Move to Norway or Northern Scandinavia. About 20 degrees outside in the summer. But you'll hate the rain and maximum moisture as it's usual here summer and winter. Inside there is a hotter because our houses are very well insulated because of the winters can be cold. I hate the weather here at home because I have damaged lungs. 20 degrees is great as long as the rain, wind and high humidity had ended..., But this is a wish dream. And the damn fireplace... I hate it but my wife love it, HaHa

 

You should move to San Francisco. You will love the weather there.

 

@Papusan

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Yeah I would like that + my family would like it even more. End of next week I have 3 weeks holiday on Canary Islands. 26 degrees and very low humidity. The rain and humidity make my lungs worse than normal . I have about 43% lung capacity without medication. -5 or up to 25/28 degrees isn't a big problem if the air is dry.

 

Sorry to hear that, but understand to a degree (chronic asthma)...

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Thanks for your consideration . Not exactly chronic asthma. A bad form of Chronic obstructive lung disease - COLD if this is the correct English pronounce. It goes up and down. Inheritance, employment and smoking. Would have had the disease anyway. Many in my family has it. Father died of complications due to this **** last fall.

 

That may be COPD here -chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It's nasty stuff! And my condolences on the loss of your father!

My asthma is bad enough it sometimes reaches that level, unfortunately. I've had to be flown by helicopter twice because of pneumonia infections and asthma.

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Sorry for that. Yeah it's ****..., But you have to learn to live with it and be happy all days you're better than previous day . You can't change it, but make the best of it.

 

I hear ya. I've lived with that since the age of 4 and apraxia of speech (similar to a spoken dyslexia, but usually accompanied by other mental ailments I was lucky enough not to have). You do what you do, regardless, because you are still alive. If anything, it helped me come to terms with my own mortality earlier than most, which has helped my perspective on the world (and not in a negative way, although I am a hopeful cynic)!

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Korea is getting hotter everyday. I also like to rather shiver than sweat.
And my dermatology laser clinic dont do well in summer because patients think its bad to have laser treatment during hot summer. Wish this country has only one weather, winter. Good for me, my clinic and for my 6700k.

 

A slightly improved XTU bench with my junk OEM ram XTU 1498 marks (4.6 GHz) Dang... Only two points and 1500
The first run maxed 1494 marks .
http://hwbot.org/submission/3248569_papusan_xtu_core_i7_6700k_1498_marks?recalculate=true


Run another XTU bench. This time with 4.7 GHz Not the big gain, but still an improvement.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3248599_papusan_xtu_core_i7_6700k_1507_marks?recalculate=true


Edit. A tiny teaser!!

Spoiler: Or you can search if there are motherboards with binned BGA chips!! Or are you screwed? Yeah! I think so :)

Yeah..., You are screwed if you prefer BGA TurdBook

 

That's around where I had a desktop chip on air (was an engineering sample) nice

 

This is at 4.6GHz

http://hwbot.org/submission/3249279_

 

Man, I hate XTU. Every time I use it my machine ends up being unstable after a reboot and I have to clear NVRAM to get it working right again. What a piece of trash. Too much trouble for a meaningless benchmark.

 

So I'm not the only one! That is why I love prema and bios settings! !!

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I was actually wondering, why you guys were all jumping on the XTU bench train, almost installed it myself.

 

XTU = Camouflaged virus. AND, as a bonus, the damage it does to your fan tables is irreversible until you format. No uninstalling, reg cleaning, NVRAM reset would fix the damage it does to the fan tables causing them to spin up abnormally high even when you are just surfing the web. Only a full format would fix this virus.

well if you have a day to waste formatting, sure, go ahead

 

Aw hell naw.

 

not just that, in windows 10 build 1472 XTU wont even allow access to the advanced menu for non K cpus. atleast before i could do things such as adjust mV, etc. maybe something to do with a microcode update from the OS that is jacking with things. (at first i thought it was the bios, but it does the same thing with prema)

 

HaHa. Yes XTU is junk, LOL. But we need some numbers from ours machines.... Therefore we will go through this mess Ps,. Nice score. +rep
4.6 GHz with 3000MHz RAM should given about 1,600 mark in XTU and not under 1520 as we have now.
I've done a couple of NVRAM reset tonight LOL. I haven't time to bench. I and my fam go for 3 weeks Canari Island holiday from Tuesday. Only fix up the mess Pack suitcases. + cleaning before we go. I will push more of XTU after my holiday and when I get better ram. Too much work, as you said. LOL
Trying different timings on this cheap OEM ram. Not easy, HaHa. Not everything that sticks. You need to have better RAM if you should score well in XTU. Not the best bench for testing of the processor power. Even TurdBook's and 6820BGA with better ram than stock 2133MHz, can do it nearly well in XTU(up to 1380 on a good day with 3000MHz). But we know that the numbers is full of lies!!!

Anybody know th timings figures for stock 2800 or 3000MHz ram?
tCl
tRCD/tRP
tRAS
tCWL
tFAW
tREFI
tRFC
tRRD
tRTP
tWR

 

XTU works fine for all the other non-6700k clevo notebooks. Dont know why it just sucks for notebooks.

 

@Papusan - This is from AIDA64. Agree... XTU benchmark has never been something I place a great deal of value or importance upon.

Code:

Memory Timings
@ 1200 MHz    18-17-17-39  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 55-421-313-193-6-4-7-26  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 1200 MHz    17-17-17-39  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 55-421-313-193-6-4-7-26  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 1163 MHz    16-16-16-38  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 54-408-303-187-6-4-6-25  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 1090 MHz    15-15-15-35  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 50-382-284-175-6-4-6-23  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 1018 MHz    14-14-14-33  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 47-357-265-163-5-4-6-22  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 945 MHz    13-13-13-31  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 44-331-246-152-5-4-5-20  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 872 MHz    12-12-12-28  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 40-306-227-140-5-3-5-19  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 800 MHz    11-11-11-26  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 37-280-208-128-4-3-4-17  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 727 MHz    10-10-10-24  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 34-255-190-117-4-3-4-16  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)

Extreme Memory Profile v2.0
Profile Name    Enthusiast (Certified)
Memory Speed    DDR4-3000 (1500 MHz)
Voltage    1.20 V
Recommended DIMMs Per Channel    2
@ 1501 MHz    16-18-18-43  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 61-526-391-241-8-6-32  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)

Extreme Memory Profile v2.0
Profile Name    Extreme
Memory Speed    DDR4-3000 (1500 MHz)
Voltage    1.20 V
Recommended DIMMs Per Channel    2
@ 1501 MHz    18-18-18-43  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 61-526-391-241-8-6-32  (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)

 

On my W230SS I installed XTU only for an XTU bench.
I think as long as we only use it for benching and don't touch a single XTU setting it won't alter enough to mess up the system.

BTW, I have been out and about a lot recently as well as under the weather atm, so if you guys find anything that needs to be added/updated on premamod bench section, I would highly appreciate a heads up that saves me from digging through tons of posts: https://biosmods.wordpress.com/benchmarks/

 

I broke @Papusan 's 32M score, and he got mad and salty, he then went ahead and set an even better score. I think @Phoenix updated it on the front page.

 

images or it didn't happen

He sent me a message the other day of a newer score that beat yours. send me your latest one if it is better than his

 

I'm talking about that only

 

Maybe we can change nickname? @Phoenix Prefer yours obviously!! Or I should change to BloodyPapusan?

 

with regards to nicks im thinking about changing mine to comcast peon.....

 

Update on my 770dm:
"Jason,

Your motherboard is enroute to Manila. Please expect it by end of next week, we should have already assembled it by then."

Email was from the 23rd of june. Finally getting my batman back.
Wondering if they reflashed the bios to the stock because i had a premabios installed in it. anyway cant wait to get it back and will just slap on some icdiamond on it and thats it for me. I will be spending a good chunk of what i won from nba finals on it

 

Ah, so the processor was all good?

 

Yes. Turns out i bent a pin in the cpu socket.
Paid almost 400usd just to have the cpu socket replaced. It was the fastest/cheapest way to get my system up and running.