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    Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It's a solid color lockup of the system. Using the latest drivers.

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    You're going to have to use some extra voltage for +200 on core. If you've already increased the voltage far enough this can be caused if some part of the GPU is getting too hot due to improper padding. You could have good core contact and what seems to be good temps with something other than the core getting too hot.

    For 1478 (+250) core / 2000 (+495) memory I use 1.212V (+75mV) for my 200W 980.
    Code:
    D:\[Tools]\nvidiaInspector\nvidiaInspector.exe -setBaseClockOffset:0,0,250 -setMemoryClockOffset:0,0,495 -setVoltageOffset:0,0,75000 -setTempTarget:0,1,92
    For 1500 (+272) core / 2000 (+495) memory I use 1.237V (+100mV)...

    Code:
    D:\[Tools]\nvidiaInspector\nvidiaInspector.exe -setBaseClockOffset:0,0,272 -setMemoryClockOffset:0,0,495 -setVoltageOffset:0,0,100000 -setTempTarget:0,1,92 
    For gaming I run the GPU stock. No need to overclock for gaming, only benching.
     
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    And what Asic score you get?
     
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    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    70.7%

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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Then you maybe need to put up voltage a bit on Fox clocks. I think he have about 75/75.5% or something. But try the settings first.
     
  6. thegh0sts

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    the performance seems good enough on stock but having the prema vbios is a good option.
     
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    Yeah its good performance on stock clocks. But you can increase the time you shall have that gpu with a slightly Overclock. As long as you take care of the cooling :)
     
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    Nobody is complaining about CLU being bad, but if your heat sink sucks CLU is going to suck just like it happened to me.. heat sink seems not to be making proper contact thus sticking like paint on it.

    Of course theres a HUGE difference... Theres limited things you can do to keep the cpu and other components cool with a laptop. With a PC you can rig it up with water cooling plus fans heck even helium run it at 50x and not even tip 60 celsius.. Dont say theres no difference... Cooling is the major factor there.
     
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    I don't talk about sky high clock speed or limited cooling. I tell you that you can get same bench score with same Clockspeed regardless of platforms with the clockspeed we can run with our laptops. Can you manage to hold 5.0 GHz with your laptop in different bench... Desktops can't provide better results with same Clock speed than yours. Only in bench who rely on faster ram!!
     
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    Oh that yes, but the ones above me on those pictures are using higher clockspeeds and if I try i will fry :oops:
     
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    In fact, my Haswell was going toe to toe with desktop OCs at 4.8-5.0 when I was at 4.5-4.7. Great firmware and good settings help. But there will always be a wall that desktops eventually overtake a laptop. ..

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    And big portion of that wall is the cooling.... If i just could use a PC i would have mine with an ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming MB and rig that thing up with liquid helium and fans up the roof of the casing.. Sadly I cant. I till have my Dell XPS Pentium 4 HT with a 30inch dell monitor sitting in the basemant little living room area for when I have visitors they can use it :D
     
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    Yeah There isn't much advantage with desktops vs laptops with processors clocked up to 4.8 GHz if you got a ok chips. The difference will come from 4.8 GHz and up.
     
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    You are pretty close at that point, the difference is only a few percent.
     
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    i gave it a try at +200/+495/+100 and it passed with this score: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13052805? (that's without a CPU OC).

    Not sure if i would consider it for 24/7 usage.
     
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    You wont be able to cool it for 24/7 use at those speeds and at that voltage. Normally for 24/7 DOTA2 / CSGO /Overwatch i keep it at what's in my sig.
     
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    even with fans at max?
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Yep. Unless you got a golden card that runs at super low voltage and stays cold.
     
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    i'll do more testing to see what i get.
     
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    Nice job! I knew you could do it. Using enough voltage makes all the difference. Using too little is seldom a good approach (due to instability). Better to use too much than not enough. Nice score, too.

    I would not recommend using that for 24/7 clocks even if it stays cool. No need to push the GPU that hard for easier stuff like playing games. They are a lot more fragile (and expensive) than a quad-core desktop CPU. I don't worry about wearing out my CPU. Not a big deal unless you're shackled by a BGA turdbook. Quad core K series i7 CPUs are cheap and easily replaced. If the CPU dies, I'll just throw it away and get another one, but dropping big bucks on a high end GPU is really painful.
     
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    +500 for a vram clock ok?
     
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    For benchmarking sure. But i wouldn't keep it at that for 24/7 use. Others might know better. I have seen artefacts on my friends 980 after he kept the memory that high on stock voltage. Again it might depend from card to card.
    @Mr. Fox might know better.
     
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    Yeah, as long as it is stable and not running hot that should be totally fine and you can do that with stock voltage. (The memory voltage is not adjustable, only core.) It's the core, MOSFETs and phases that can burn out from running it crazy hard overclocking with extra voltage 24/7. As a general rule, any overclock that is stable within the stock core voltage range should be OK for 24/7 if the temps are good.
     
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    WELP. Ninja'd
     
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    i have my cards power management set to adaptive so when it's at the desktop it downclocks - so it's not running oc 24/7 more like i set it to oc when i play games only...like doing benches for 102 hours :p 24/7 to me = set and forget.

    is there a way to disable the GPU overclock app that comes provided with the laptop?

    EDIT: The provided GPU OC tool keeps disabling my OC i set via nvidia inspector.

    EDIT 2: I just uninstalled the command/control center(centre) app cos i don't care that much for the flashy lights and i didn't buy the laptop for the damn flashy lights.
     
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    I got rid of Control Center as well, on both of my machines. I wish the keyboard lights were white by default, but I can live with blue. Better than having bloatware. I also hate how Control Center screws around with my power profiles. And, the GPU OC utility is of no value to me since it lacks voltage control. Just a bunch of fluff.

    FYI - you don't have to use adaptive to let the GPU clock down at idle. If it is working right it will still do that even with it set to Prefer Maximum Performance. I did have trouble with that on my Alienware systems. So feel free to give it a try and see if it still works correctly. Most likely will.
     
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    Welcome to the club. You seem to make good decisions faster than any of us did :p
     
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    that's how i've always done it: set an OC, test
    i had clocks would stay on the oc even after a game on the alienware with the 780m and 980m and the only way to stop it was to disable and reboot the system. i am fine with adaptive but i am sure as hell not using optimal cos i have no idea what that does or if it's beneficial.

    i noticed that the cc gpu oc app was overriding my nvidia inspector clocks that i had set in the task scheduler and so removing it worked the best.

    that's why there's NBR: it's a pool of knowledge.

    will see how +200/+495/+100 will fair. might do some testing on the heaven bench maybe if that's still a valid testing metric.
     
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    Skydiver Demo bruh. Give that a shot. Run the bench if you wanna. But Run the demo twice back to back. For me on high clocks that demo brings out issues that might show up after an hour or 2 of heavy gaming.
     
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    ok, i'll do that once i get back from my dentist appointment :p
     
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    I tried Optimal and it was garbage. It seems to be some kind of retarded low performance mode. GPU almost never ran at full clock speeds using Optimal. It's like a castrated form of Adaptive mode. Not sure what the stooges at NVIDIA are doing with some of this silly trash, but I'm not impressed. Almost every time they add a new "feature" to their drivers it is something that sucks.
     
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    Ah, so I am fine with adaptive since it can reach the full clock. I may investigate max performance later on once I get an oc settled on.

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    And once i passed all benchmarks and stress tests on all the tools imaginable fans at full blast this 46x when i start encoding spits at me the IA and RING Vr thermal alert. Im just an unlucky sob,
     
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    I just create a separate power profile and switch to it when i encode videos in a video editor or transcoder.

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    People also need to keep in mind that Skylake is way more sensitive to encoding than a lot of benchmarks. Specially h.264 encoding.
     
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    You forgot something bro Fox. We are in the BGA times now :D Be careful with your silicon..., It's Fragile :p
    Remember motherboards isn't cheap and can be difficult to obtain!!
     
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    i think ill have to buy some other type of vram thermal pads instead of using this stock one thats stuck to the heatsink... CPU doesnt go thermal at all, max tempit reaches when encoding is 84. but then boom vram thermal issues.. Oh my life... i just wish I knew wish thickness of the pad will be good for this vrams.
     
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    +200/+495/+100 crashed on skydiver. +134/+495/+100 passed.

    how can you run 3d mark demos without the tests?

    EDIT: I think i'll stick with stock clocks for the time being. game performance is really good so no biggie.
     
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    I would strongly recommend swapping the crappy standard pads! Get FujiPoly 17W/mk and you're done!
    Even if it's not solving your issue, you took care of every possibility to avoid overheating.
     
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    what thickness? 1" 2" 3"?
     
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    That I dunno for the Phoenix. For the Panther it's 1mm for the vRAM's and 3mm for the mosfets.
    But you should get it quickly by measuring your current thermal pads.
     
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    I think you are confusing the VRMs with VRAM , both are 2 very different things.
    VRAM is Memory for the GPU, the VRMs (Voltage Regulator Module) you are talking about are next to the processor.
    And the thickness you are looking for is is 1mm and 2 mm.

    Soooo @Mr. Fox @Papusan @johnksss @Prema

    Broke 17000 on the Graphics Score.

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13065995

    Took me a good 4 hours, a fresh windows 10 install just for benches and **** ton of services disabled, but i guess it was worth it.

    [​IMG]

    http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9225544/fs/9225322/fs/9225024/fs/9221697

    Also new score for stock 980 with CPU @ 4.8Ghz. Finally managed to make the processor hold vcore almost perfectly steady. No thanks to you @Papusan :mad:

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13065193

    [​IMG]
     
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    Are you using 1 or 2 PSUs? Get 2 plz if your going to play the OCing game.. 1 is just not enough
    Yup and those pads will cost as much as a new heatsink.. I have Phobya XT pads which are much cheaper and better than stock pads.. 7W/mK and honestly that isn't bad..

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    Nah, gonna stay at stock speeds.

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    Are you using 1 or 2 PSUs? Get 2 plz if your going to play the OCing game.. 1 is just not enough
    Yup and those pads will cost as much as a new heatsink.. I have Phobya XT pads which are much cheaper and better than stock pads.. 7W/mK and honestly that isn't bad..

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    @thegh0sts ease up on the memory overclock first cowboy. Gotta walk before you run :D
     
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    I'm leaving it on stock and reverted to an older driver cos it was causing overwatch to crash and I am checking to see if rolling back works.

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    Just try smaller increments until you need to bump the voltage.
     
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    You do need to find the voltage sweet spot to get the best out of it.
     
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