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I have the Sky X9E aka unlocked BIOS but my GTX 980's VBIOS is locked, otherwise the last two letters of the version would say EC.

EC didn't give me the vBIOS. Also I didn't have 980 before, I had 980m SLI so I don't have the Prema vBIOS from before only 980m.

 

Well there you go, if your BIOS is unlocked , then you are all gucci! Get crackin.

 

@ssj92

This is my GPU-Z screenshot, my BIOS has an E at the end and yours has a D

Running stock BIOS for now while I am waiting for the Silicon Lottery CPU

Lemme know if you need my VBIOS, it 's the GSYNC version for the desktop class 980 GTX

PS: why is your GPU-Z not showing the technology/transistors/etc

 

nevermind you have the 4K screen, you don't want my VBIOS

 

I've been very busy but I will have some benches posted here don't worry. I'll be one of the people on top.

My GPU is the non G-Sync version. I'm assuming GPU-Z doesn't support my 980's device ID yet.

 

Correct Cinebench 11.5 score that I can see. Normally between 9.65 and 9.75 with stock clock.
As you can see in the picture and this link, the Cinebench 11.5 score is terrible for Mythlogic Deimos 1615S (i7-6700K). 8.3 in Cinebench 11.5 must be on berry-picking for this i7-6700K.
http://hothardware.com/reviews/mythlogic-deimos-1615s-review?page=4

 

Looks like the reviewer forgot to set TDP values manually...

 

And still writing these Rewievers of high performance... Maybe they should realized that something is wrong with the score?
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This is an other rewiev, but this time of AVADirect Avant P870DM-G(i7-6700K). This rewiev is just as bad
http://www.notebookreview.com/noteb...t-p870dm-g-review-extreme-gaming-potential/2/
Nice Wprime score with i7-6700k, Crushed totally by GigaBook P37x v4 LOL

 

Yup making our machines look bad. I get 5.256 seconds on my stock i7 6700K in wPrime 1.55.

 

But the nice is that the same rewiever continue to present completely wrong bench numbers during all subsequent tests of other laptops afterwards, without understanding that something is wrong, LOL. Where is quality control?
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/gigabyte-p57w-review/2/

 

That's the problem with machines that don't go out at full performance from the factory.

"Some assembly required" isn't part of the normal reviewers toolkit. They get it out of the box, and plug it in, that's how it's supposed to work for everyone that get's one, that's how I am going to review it.

That's why of the BGA CPU's the 6820HK is the best laptop CPU choice, but gets worse performance results in reviews than a stock 6700HQ unless the 6820HK is OC'd by the reviewer(s).

Even my 5950HQ gets 5.196 sec's at 4.2ghz

Spoiler

I thought that's what the Full OC P870DM was supposed to solve, it comes OC'd from the factory, and wipes out all the competition?

 

Yeah. But why write good performance in test? Where is quality control?

 

Not speaking specifically about that review, I am talking about the reviews of OC'able machines in general.

Bad performance reviews happen to good machines

 

This is not news. This has been going on pretty much with almost every single review that comes out. Why you ask.... Because no one knows what stock is suppose to look like till people like us get our hands on the machines and start working that unlock magic. Then once that part is done we find out what stock is suppose to be, not what they want us to think it is. Then we push them way past whatever they thought the machine was ever capable of doing. Along with showing the flaws and mini mistakes they could have just corrected on their own. This is why reviews will pretty much be incorrect when dealing with performance. Now, anesthetics and things like that should be spot on.

 

@johnksss

How would you rate IC Diamond vs GELID Extreme Thermal Compound?

I don't know if I should apple Liquid Ultra or the normal pastes on my new CPU coming soon. From some reviews I've seen, LCU is better by only 1 or 2 degrees cooler.

But anyway, what do you think about GELID Extreme vs IC Diamond? I found IC Diamond harder/thicker to apply than GELID Extreme Thermal Compound

 

I use a mix. So I don't really have a preference since my 980m's dont really get hot to begin with. And That machine is always sitting on an a/c unit so temps are almost never a problem unless pushing the cpu really hard.

 

0. CLU
1. IC Diamond /Grizzly Kryonaut
3. GELID Extreme Thermal Compound
@Phoenix If you don't use Clu, then try the new one(Grizzly Kryonaut)
@johnksss On top of AC 24/7? This will be expensive in the long run

 

"Professional" reviews frequently range anywhere from unreliable to worthless where performance potential is concerned. It has been this way for many years. It's probably safe to say that many of the "professionals" have little or no knowledge about performance tuning. They open the box, press the button and go. "I still have checks left in my checkbook, so I must have money in the bank."

Considering the majority of their audience do not know any better, most are destined to remain ignorant and gullible consumers, content with the status quo... A great example of the blind leading the blind. That is also why pathetic BGA filth sells, and as long as it sells, Intel will keep on peddling trash for as long as they can get away with it. Until Intel and their OEM partners start losing money from educated consumers rejecting their junk and enough people stop throwing away good money on bad garbage it will continue to it flourish. Being none the wiser, and unduly influenced by marketing hype, all the noobs will rejoice and be glad.

 

New better scores in wPRIME 32M 4.259 sec that can fit on the first page @Phoenix

http://hwbot.org/submission/3153257_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i7_6700k_4sec_259ms

And you have forgotten this one below ↓↓↓

http://hwbot.org/submission/3152011_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_6700k_11.64_points

Wish I spoke as well as @Mr. Fox about the importent topic <BGA and thin flimsy CrapBooks>. Unfortunately, so stop my not so good English a juicier language related to the topic. But this might be better a someday, HaHa

 

Been doing this since 2011....
But here are some that I do use, plus one other that isn't pictured...

 

Quick question , do any of you guys think that xtu's stress test is anywhere near reliable? I ask as I'm getting much lower temps all around than if I run say Realbench, which tends to send my laptop into the 90's.

Thanks

 

I actually find XTU's bench test very abnormal is it doesn't represent what a normal user might experience in real life workloads.

PS: who did you buy your P870DM from? If you bought it from HIDevolution then you are in luck:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-486#post-10217051

 

Yeah except the day before they offered that I purchased the bios from Eurocom. ARGGHHHHH!

 

Hey man, Last is just as good as First

Email them, nicely, and point out the joy you felt when hearing that everyone else was going to get for free from now on, what you just paid $XXX for, and you hope that everyone else is happy.

And, would you please make me happy too?

Could I please get a $ refund, or a credit to my account for accessories / memory / drives / etc. - add that last option only if you already planned to get more stuff.

It's worked before. There is usually a grace period for people like you that were right on the cusp of the change.

Give it a shot

It doesn't matter about being a different vendor, Eurocom and HID have a close working relationship, so you can use that to your advantage as well. Offer to cancel and reorder through HID to make it easier on Eurocom.

 

ouch!!!!!!! that must hurt brah! you could've used that $200 USD towards a hardware upgrade.

It's very generous from them to be offering it for free if j00 ask me. I think they are trying to stand out among other resellers.

 

He ordered it from Eurocom he said not from HIDevolution.

 

That's even better, a competitive challenge - like price matching - only better

Hmm, if we ordered from Eurocom through HIDRevolution would HID give us the $200 back sent to Eurocom, or hold back that $200.

There's gotta be a connection there he can link up to get his $ / credit back

 

I don't get what you mean bro, he already ordered it from Eurocom, how is HIDevolution going to give him in store credit for something he bought from someone else? someone please shoot me

 

Hmm, if we ordered from Eurocom through HIDRevolution would HID give us the $200 back sent to Eurocom, or hold back that $200.

There's gotta be a connection there he can link up to get his $ / credit back

He may have to go into "full whiner mode" to say. I just found out that HIDRevolution isn't charging, why are you charging?, maybe I should cancel and order through HID? What can we do to make this work?

Not pretty, but it is $200

 

ohhhh no now I am confused. I don't think he ordered a Eurocom Sky X9 from HIDevolution the same way that I did but rather, I think what he did is he bought it directly from Eurocom despite my recommendation to buy it from HIDevolution.

@MartinMac1982 correct me if I'm wrong bro

In both scenarios, that $200 USD went to Eurocom so I'm not sure how possible it is to get a refund.

 

The first part of the post you replied to, the one you focused on - was to pose the question.

The second part of the post, the asking for the $200 back from Eurocom is the part to focus on.

He is asking if Eurocom will match the $200 free Prema firmware that he could get from HID. If not, he asks Eurocom if he should cancel his order with them, and buy through HID.

Sorry, text, and non-interaction makes the finer points of negotiation blur

It's simple. He missed the boat, now he is trying to take a dingy out to the ship to turn it around and re-ticket for less.

It's actually a reasonable request. Plus maybe he can cancel, and order the same Eurocom config (for even less?) through HID.

It's not been long, you have a right to cancel, just check to see if their is a cancellation fee - probably $200

@MartinMac1982

 

ohhhhh I didn't know he didn't receive his machine yet. Now everything you said fell into place

 

That wasn't clear to me, well that makes it a bit tougher, but @MartinMac1982 can still ask, I would

 

I highly doubt Eurocom would know off $200 USD. After all, they are charging that premium not for the BIOS itself but for the warranty as they now have to bear the cost of a failed component and not the manufacturer. If I were him, I would order from HIDevolution and be done with it.

 

I bought the laptop from Hid and enquired about the bios from them (at the time they wanted to charge a lot for it so I opted NOT to get the bios) then I contacted EC to see if they would install the bios for me and they did (well they sent it to me after i provided my serial number so i could flash it myself), so Laptop from HID and bios from Eurocom, then a couple days later I find out HID are offering it for free now so i just wasted like 200$ paying eurcom. Awesome!

Anyways yeah its gonna take me a while to get the hang of this overclocking a laptop. So much more difficult that Oc'ing a water cooled desktop due to thermal constraints.

 

Here is a good starting point for you, then start tweaking as you see suitable with your CPU:

4.2GHz OC on 6700K Settings

4.4 GHz CPU - 4.4 GHz Cache Ratio Overclocking Settings for Skylake 6700K on a CPU that isn't a very good overclocker settings

 

Man that's even sadder than I thought

But, again, tell your story of Woe to HID and ask them nicely to get back your $200 from Eurocom, since you did get your laptop from HID, and they are the ones that sent you to Eurocom.

HID should have just given it to you the first time you asked - for free or for $200 - why would they send you to Eurocom???

 

But HIDevolution just got the BIOS today themselves with their branding. At the time he wanted it, they didn't have it only Eurocom did. Let's see

 

So I used your template at first in your OP , but for some reason my temps went sky high. It may have been due to the fact that I was using Realbench to stress test the CPU and not the programs you guys are.

I have since loaded up some setting in XTU (to get an idea of the sort of temps that im getting and attempt to recreate them in the bios)

So i took a couple of pictures. This is stable in STU stress test but NOT in realbench. these temps though stay well within reason barely touching 80 on any cores.

 

Damn the first photo didnt post , lets try that again!

http://s8.postimg.org/q3r62ylth/IMG_20160310_180748.jpg
http://s8.postimg.org/8rqthisc5/IMG_20160310_180756.jpg

 

you do know that you can upload photos / share them in the forum itself rather than using that crappy site?

in the message, click upload file, once its uploaded you will see it at the bottom, point your cursor where you want it to be placed in the post, then click on FULL IMAGE from the bottom next to the image you uploaded

 

I didn't know that but thanks!

 

Hold up a minute there, there is something more important that I just realized from your description of the situation between you and HID and you and Eurocom.

Your Warranty is from HID. They wanted to charge you more $ for the firmware because that included extended Warranty coverage for OC'ing.

Eurocom isn't covering your warranty, so they sold it to you for less because to them you OC'ing isn't exposing a warrantied laptop to them.

You better at least connect with HID to let them know you have a Prema BIOS and are OC'ing and request acknowledgement that their warranty with you will include that coverage for OC'ing - it should since they are now giving it away for free.

Just thought I should mention that, it would suck to need warranty service only to find out after it gets there and they see the Prema BIOS - and no note in your file about it - they might deny service.

 

So I just contacted Ted from HID regarding the above (although I doubt they will do anything about it as I went to Eurocom to get the bios).

Still pretty crappy that they didn't let me know earlier, if they had done i would definitely have held of getting the bios!

 

how can they tell you before when they just got the BIOS branding themselves? It's not like they preplanned it

 

I was literally asking them about the bios like 2 days ago.

 

a lot can change in 24 hours, let alone 48

 

Cool, since this all happened in near real-time over the last few days, you definitely have a strong case for a refund from Eurocom / HID and free Prema firmware + warranty coverage from HID.

 

That would be the IDEAL outcome, but what can I say I'm sceptical. Right back to trying to get this OC stable/temps down. Now I just managed to keep temps at acceptable levels (less than 72c MAX under full load on all cores) @ 4.4Ghz with -125mv on both realbench and XTU stress test.

Now I need to transfer these settings into the bios.

 

Nah, you've got 400mhz more to go