**M570TU/ETU (Sager 5796/5797) Owners Thread**

those are marginal drops in performance. but the temps reduced more than 7°C on load.

 

@jupapri

And by the way, how can I configure the vbios so I can undervolt the GPU. You can drive me to a previous post if you are bored of writing and explaining...

 

this will be like an ultimate fix before trying up with sager warranty.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=6068869&postcount=1294

you just have to create a bootable usb stick. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=246530

 

By the way. this quote has no sense.

NVIDIA has assured me multiple times that, despite how disconcerting a 95C GPU operating temperature sounds, it is not detrimental to the core or board itself. Just like the GT200, the CST is set at 105C and the SDT at 115C. The GF100 can run merrily at 95C for hours without adverse effects such as instability or visual artifacting. They are aware this and the various other concerns that have been repeatedly expressed, and all I can say is that they will be addressed to calm the masses.

maybe not for the core and board but what about lead free welding material.
we are going to see a lot of dead gpus if nvidia is allowing temps of 95°C+

 

All the editing done to jupapri's GPU BIOS were done by me, anmatheextreme. I was out of touch regarding the old GTX 280M BIOS so I went a little bit more conservative on it that I would have liked now.

jupapri, if you want, I have revised my previous edit of your BIOS if you want to flash it on. Your idle temps should be a bit better too in this revision. I've also raised your max level clocks to 550/1375/825 @ 0.95v to get the best balance.

 

that would be great S.S. just tell where i can download or hit me a pm

thanks

 

What about a better bios for the 9800M GTX. Is there any better edition on the Internet?

@jupapri
Thanks for the guide dude

 

I don't think I can manage with this. It's more a chore and project than I wanted. :/

 

Here jupapri. I made two BIOS's for you. Both are identical to each other except for the max level voltages. One is set for 0.9v and the other is set for 0.95v. You can tell which is which from the file name.

Other than that, I have edited your clockset to the values below.

3D application: 550/1375/825 @ 0.9/0.95v
3D desktop: 400/800/300 @ 0.85v
2D desktop: 300/600/300 @ 0.8v
Idle: 150/300/90 @ 0.75v

Failsafe temperature has been reduced from 108*C to 95*C.

If the idle clocks are giving you problems, just let me know. I already have a BIOS that addresses that ready to upload.

As always, safety first: have your original BIOS ready and on hand, and fasten your seatbelt for some nice temp drops. I suggest trying the 0.9v BIOS first and stress testing it for stability. If it starts to give you artifacts in the 80's, then I'd say thats good enough. 0.9v with a slight underclock shouldn't get that hot anyway.

The download link will be available for 72 hours or until after you downloaded it and replied.

 

i just downloaded the files from the link you post it. now you can erase it. thank you very much

by the way. is a bios problem that idle clocks with aero deactivated ramp up just surfing the web? i tought that was some drivers issues

 

At Sager, from what I've been told, they can't figure out what kind of problem there is! They will probably hold it there for a lot of days. Probably going for a new gpu (again....).

 

ask a mobo and gpu replacement. that way the overheat should dissapear. by the way the other components like the cpu and hdd were overheating too? what temps you got on those other components?

 

No, the other components were just fine with the temperatures (cpu 63C on prime95, hdd 45C on desktop). They made me a proposal. They can exchange the faulty 9800M GTX with GTX280M and I will pay the difference. The question is, is it worth changing, if I change the cpu to a p9600 from p8600?

 

How much did they ask for the difference?

 

300euros....

 

300 euro from the 9800M GTX to the 280M GTX ? Are you still in warranty ?
Cause that's a ridiculous price, 150 euro would be more appropriate.

 

yes, but they will take the ...faulty.... one for 300 euros and give me the 280M. Is the performance better than the 9800M GTX

 

Yeah, the 280M is about 10% faster than the 9800M GTX.
IMO, as long as you are in warranty it is their duty to fix your laptop and give you a fully working 9800M GTX.

 

In coclusion, is it worth to exchange the 9800M GTX with GTX 280M for 300euros?

 

NO! Do not pay more than 200 euro for such an upgrade.

 

Ok, but what if I upgrade the cpu from p8600 2.4Ghz to t9600 2.8Ghz, double L2?

 

Still not worth 300 euro. Again, that's worth 150-180 euro.

 

ok thanxfor your advice!!!

 

Still waiting. They say in the tests, it raises a little more temperature, but this is not such terrible. But for a gamer, a little more temperature means lower performance in a 3d application or a heavy game.

 

but something is not working fine if the temp is raising. the only valid argue is that the ambient temp is raising. this model has a very large heatsink and is crazy to have an overheating gpu. thats why i discuss a lot with sager tech guys, for this notebook is unnaceptable

 

I am having some strange heating issues with my 5797 that I purchased about this time last year.

It has been getting hot, but lately unusually hot. Touching anywhere below the keyboard feels like a shirt that has just been ironed, which doesn't seem like that has been the norm for me.

The real problem is that I have been having a few freezes lately and suspecting them to be heat-related, I turned off the computer and went to unplug it to just let it cool down a bit and give it another go. Well, to my amazement and horror, I noticed that the power cord has apparently been getting so hot that the plastic around the AC jack area has begun to MELT.

I just emailed Sager to see what they think, but I was wanting the opinion of you guys here first (this is my first post, but this was the site that made me decide to buy sager last year and I have been lurking ever since O.O). Is there something I can test to see if my computer has in fact gone bad? I am still using the power cord that came with the laptop and I haven't ever purchased a backup or anything.

Thanks guys!

 

Use HW monitor to see your temps.

 

Is there a temperature monitor back in the AC jack?

I had been using speedfan and typical temps while playing games were around

GPU= 55 C
HD0= 51 C
Core 1= 50-55 C
Core 2= 50-55 C

 

There are no sensors on the AC. Why is the GPU at 55C? That's not right. It should be well over 70C.

 

Really something is wrong here. Your HDD is on 51C while your graphics card is at 55C on game?? It should be at least 70-85C when working properly. And if it is so cool, why does the plastic part of the AC melt or you feel heat over the keyboard. I mean this isn't logically right! My suggestion, check the heatsink for dust or try to use a cooler like Zalman...

 

Speedfan is not so accurate sometimes. Try using HW Monitor. Really reliable. This is the one I recommend and have tested my sys.

 

His DC receptacle must be the heatsink for his GPU. That should explain his low GPU temps, haha.

 

Thanks guys I will get HW Monitor and get back to you 8). Appreciate the advice.

 

At last Sager admitted that I get a little more temperature in the GPU (didn't mentioned value). I am having a GPU replacement and shipped to me back.

 

+rep to make sager admit that more than 90°C is danger zone for a gpu.

by the way with who were you dealing in sager tech support?

 

@jupapri What do you exactly mean with "with who I was dealing"?

But now at Sager they just don't have available GPU to replace. It has taken 2 weeks till now and I am starting getting pissed.....!

 

the name of the sager employee that is handling your case. lol english is not my native language. just start pushing them. sager has to solve your problem.

 

I really don't know but I'm pretty sure I'll find out when the Repair Report comes with the notebook
By the way, what are your gpu temps when on game and stress, jow that you have downclocked and downvolted, jupapri? If mine has the same problem when it comes back, I will try flashing the bios......

 

i haven´t tried the modded bios that soviet sunrise edit for my clevo. the reason is because my laptop is in sager. in the last rma they didn´t care about nothing and broke a screw that was in my gpu and that way i couldn´t replace thermal paste. i decided to return it because my gpu started to artifacting during gameplay. i had to sent it back from colombia and that cost me a lot of money. sager made me a promise that they were going to change all components to fix my overheating issues and broken screw issue.

for me dealing with sager this whole year has been a nightmare. i bought it because of build quality and i received the worst laptop i ever had

about undervolting the gpu. i can tell you that every 0.5V that you undervolt is a 10°C drop i can assure you that

 

Then good luck to you too! About the artifacts, did they start to appear right after flashing the vbios or it is a result of overheating and the screw issue? It is very common to get artifacts with a lower voltage.

 

Yes, it is common if the voltage is to low.

 

thats right but even flashing back to the stock bios i had artifacts and blue screen problems.

JOKE of the day. "sager told me that i applied too much thermal compound"

my god they didn´t see the giants bubles of tim they put on gpu and cpu when they ship the laptops?

i know that thermal paste is made to fill microgaps, i´m an engineer, and i follow all the advices that soviet sunrise gave me. my god this situation pissed me off.

 

So at what clocks and voltages do you get artifacts?

 

583-1450-800 at 1v i got artifacts.

 

So overheating probably causes your GPU to artifacts and blue screens. Both happened to me when i tried to overclock the core by 60Mhz (not that much for it to start crashing). On my side, sager tells me I will probably have it in 2-3 days. But ,is nvidia so slow and needs 10 days to ship a thousand of cards to sager?? I also told them to check the e-sata, because I've heard about an e-sata problem on older Mobos. So you'll probably have news from me soon......

 

That makes me believe that your card is broken. It shouldn't artifact.

My card doesn't artifact regardless of the temps. Even at 102C (the max it has ever reached) with the current clocks it doesn't artifact. That's way I use them, they are rock solid.

 

yeah. thats why sager is replacing the gpu. blacky what temps you get in stock clocks and voltage? what kind of thermal pads are you using?

 

I don't recall exactly what temps I had on stock, but I am pretty sure they were below 90C at max. Also in CCTP GPU (sort of like furmark) test, max temp. would not go above 95C even after 30 min. of running.

I am using Shin Etsu thermal past and some custom thermal pads with 3.2 W/K-m. I plan on getting some with 5 W/Km.

 

if you could provide a link. i´ll be very interested in 5W/mK pads

 

http://www.aquatuning.co.uk/index.php/cat/c509_Thermal-pads.html