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i feel like i got a cheap laptop compared to the new one haha been a while since i came back to the sager/clevo forum...

 

How did you install the drivers? Don't use the Find New Hardware wizard, just launch the appropriate exe/msi from the driver package (i.e. setup.exe).

 

Should I go for a

P9700 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.8GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache

or

Q9000 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Quad 2.0GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache ?

 

With the P9700 you will be able to use 30% more clock speed with all applications but you will only be able to use the extra cores in a Quad when you are using applications that can take advantage of them.

In addition, even if your applications could take advantage of the extra two cores they will still be 30% slower.

Bottom line is in almost all circumstances the P9700 is the better choice. You would have to get a faster Quad to be able to beat it.

 

Just thought I would post here. Got my sager last week and I'm loving it.

 

What? Explain please.

 

Q9000 @ 2.0GHz vs. P9700 @ 2.8GHz...do the math.

 

In the event all four cores could be used

Q9000= 2+2+2+2= 8GHz

P9700= 2.8+2.8= 5.6GHz

So like I said, explain how they would 'still' be 30% slower?

 

All four cores are still running at 2.0GHz, and running against 2 cores at 2.8GHz.

You are trying to use linear thinking when it is not.

Before challenging too hard, I recommend you do a little research.

 

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Quad+Q9000+@+2.00GHz

The quad looks better to me here.

 

So, compare that to some specific benchmarks, including Crysis, that actually compare the same configurations, but for the processors, in the same laptop and specify the exact configurations:
http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?t=4629

 

Correct me if Im wrong but the CPU benchmarks you reference to are synthetic benchmarks and therefore designed to test the optimal performance of the CPU meaning that they are built to utilize all four cores. In this case the quad is better. However actual use is very different from synthetic benchmarks. Most games are only designed to use 1 or 2 cores and not all 4. If you look at real world benchmarks from games you can see this. While things like video rendering will take advantage of the additional cores games cannot and therefore you will be benefited by the clock speed rather than extra cores which will remain unused.

 

Perhaps this is the line we are speaking of. I'm thinking in a general performance term (moderate gaming and content creation) whilst Paladin might be thinking in a fully gaming performance term.

In that sense, the P9700 over the quad but otherwise I'd take the quad if I had the opportunity (no need though as the core i7 on the desktop is doing just fine ).

 

Agreed. It generally has everything to do with what applications you will be spending how much time using.

If it is for example content creation using applications that are written for 4 cores that you spend several hours a day using, Quad is your best answer.

However if a smaller percentage of your time is spent with applications written for 4 cores, and the larger percentage of your time is spent with business, gaming or other applications that are written for 2 cores, the faster clock speed will serve you better.

 

Turns out that the problem is either my CPU socket, or the processor itself. Unfortunately, I no longer have a spare CPU, so I will have to send it in to get sorted.

 

Sucks for me, but i got a Quadro FX 2700m on my comp, is it possible for me to get the GTX 260m ?

 

Yes. 10char

 

WHat is the best way to get it? I sure was hoping to get it by xoticpc, but i doubt i can get them to replace mine for free.

 

Resellers won't offer to exchange your GPU with a different one, but you can always sell your old one and use some of the funds to buffer the cost for the new one. You can email your reseller for a price quote, or you can visit RJTech to get a new GTX 260M complete with a new heatcage. http://mivasecure.abac.com/rjtech/m...uct_Code=VGA-260M-M860ETU&Category_Code=OTHER

 

well, i decided to reinstall the CPU one more time, and it turns out that the screw was getting stuck and was only locked about 97%. I managed to get that extra little click, and it now boots flawlessly.

ITS ALIVE! IT'S ALLLLLIIIIIIVVVVVE!

 

Congrats, thats good to hear

 

Any good place to sell it though? Most places i know where to sell isnt really good. Ebay is the only place that comes to my mind.

Also I wont be able to use the computer without the Videocard correct?

 

You can try to get a bite in the Marketplace.

Unless you have Windows set up for blind people, then no.

 

New EC Firmware is out:

1. EC firmware 1.00.13.
2. Modify local shutdown temperature setting.

 

Hi,

I dont know if this has been debated before or is a common problem but 228 pages is a lot of page to search...

I recently got a Clevo M860TU with Intel® Core™2 Extreme Processor Q9300 (12M Cache, 2.53 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) but during post and using dxdiag/cpu-z it shows that my cpu clock is 2.39GHZ and FSB is 1064...

Im not a expert and maybe this "loss" is not significant, but is there a way i can change the clock and FSB to normal values??
I went to the Bios but didnt find where to change this...

Any info/help will be appreciated

tks

 

The CPU downclocks when its not under any sort of stress IIRC.
Either that or your just in powersaver mode. The downclock is most likely intentional.

 

Correct 9x is 2.4 GHz.
You need 9.5x for 2.53 GHz.

RMClock would help you.

 

Well even at max performance mode and using prime to test the cpu, it wont pass the 2,4Ghz...i would like to put the clock limit as it should be, at 2.53 :/

U mean that the normal cpu clock for the 9300 is 2.4Ghz??
Rmclock does not work at vista 64b unfortunately :/

 

Can you post a screenshot of your CPU-Z?

 

RMclock does work on vista 64-bit. You have to find the 64-bit DLL.file or something.

 

found it, trying to figure out what to do

Edit:

the changes at rmclock only work when the program is active correct?

is there a way to change the values at rmclock, even if i lock the highest index it wont go higher then 2.40ghz

dont know why cant we change clock speed at bios...this sucks lol

 

@MallaK

dude your cpu-z screenshot says your cpu is rated at 2.40ghz. the sp9400 is a 2.40ghz dual core and you have 2x on your quad. you have a q9200 and NOT a qx9300. the qx9300 has T9400's on it. here is a screenshot of my cpu-z with my qx9300.

 

Yep, that's a Q9200. How do you not know what you bought?

 

He's just stupid I guess.

 

The Q9200 is ~6.2% faster than the Q9100. Yes, it is better.

 

lol, funny

 

Nope, they screwed you totally.
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36693
Your even says ES. Man, you was screwed 2 times more.

SP9400 is not q9200. So it can't be better then quad.


Normal CPU-Zs answer is:

 

actually i have 1064mhz fsb and 12mb cache and 4 cores

 

if you look at MallaK's cpu-z shot, it says it has 4 cores, 4 threads, hence quad.

 

The ES Q9200s read as the SP9400 CPU-Z.

 

So looks like "vendor" had no money to put a normal CPU, so they just ordered an ES from China e-bay guys and charged the price as for normal Q9100. Kewl. Money, money, money.

 

In the end, he did get a bump up to the Q9200. Both the buyer and the seller win in this case.

 

Not really, because they charged as for Q9100 (OEM). So the customer overpaid 250-300$ more. Jewed In Action.

 

He paid for an OEM Q9100? Wow, I take that back then, haha. Jewed in action indeed.

 

tks for the info guys, im going to trade the cpu for the real deal then.

cheers

 

Did some copper upgrade:


ACPI/CPU1/CPU2/CPU3/CPU4/GPU/HDD
Before:
- idle: 60/47/48/49/49/52/38
- gaming: 88/78/78/78/77/86/41

After:
- idle: 54/43/43/43/43/50/32
- gaming: 81/69/71/71/70/80/36

 

Wow, how come your hard drive temperatures are so low? Do you use a cooler or is using copper on the cpu and gpu somehow helping to keep the hard drive cool as well?

 

His primary disk is a SSD and his storage HDD is in his ODD bay.

Oh goodie, another M860TU serial number for me to take.

 

There is no any M860TU serial numb on pics