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Welll in two or three days ill be ordering my P150SM from HAWKFORCE.de.

4700MQ, 4GB hd8970m, 8gb RAM, 750gb 7200rpm, bluray, killer wireless, mo mSata.

For exactly 1027 Euros

Any sugestions on the config or order? Any comments on hawkforce.de?

 

I am no expert, but someone on here said the Intel wifi card was a better deal. They mentioned the performance of the killer was the same as Intel. I would choose Intel for the AC, better driver support, and likely less problems down the road.

 

Thanks! Although this is for the P170SM I guess the outputs and the cards are exactly the same so that should be fine.

 

Would CPU-Z Tell me this?

 

Hi!

After a few months with the P150SM and 3 SSDs (all crucial m4 - tested and all 3 are in good condition - 128SSD3 msata, 128SSD2 sata and a 256SSD3 msata) built in, i tested several configurations regarding RAID builds and I discovered some really strange behaviors.
Having OS Win7 Ult. 64b running on single, non-raid ssd and another 2 ssds in raid 0, one randomly picked disk out of the raid will suddenly fail sooner or later out of nowhere.

Installing OS on the raid 0, ( i've tested it with all possible configs, 128 & 128 and 128 & 256 each way) the single disk won*t be usable, as it will disconnect as you try to do some I/O ops between the raid and the single disk. But thats not the only thing. Even more randomly you get confronted with some BSODs - irq less or equal - well, some of you will say thats a driver issue, but i already wasted hours to get rid of this installing the OS with / without the intel raid driver. No change. I even tried the msata ssds-slots with each ssd.

I tried to get an explanation for this, but I can't find anything on the net.

After installing Win 7 the 10th time within a few weeks... I'm about to consider to turn off the raid, switching on AHCI and say goodbye to one the only reasons (except haswell, dedicated graphics and, off course - more bang for the buck) i bought the p150sm, because it seems to not do any well.

Anyone else here with the same strange problems?

 

What revision is your motherboard? If it's anything but 3.5 then what you have is a motherboard with an unstable second mSATA port. That's normal. If the revision is 3.5 then you may have an ssd or a motherboard issue. Let us know please.

Jason

 

thanks for your reply, will check it asap. i'll let you know.
If it is the famous rev. 3.5, any chances to get this fixed? Firmware? BIOS?
Or is it FUBAR and needs to be replaced?

 

It's not FUBAR, the machines were sold as having one working Msata port and the other taped off on the board. The new revisions implemented a hardware fix to get that second Msata working. It sounds like this is exactly your issue, same things Sager was reporting to us as what happens when the second port was used on the original machines.

 

Refer to POST# 677 in this thread itself: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...7sm-p150sm-sager-np8250-owners-lounge-68.html . He said the CPU-Z should show the details on the motherboard. Ask CoolPrizes for details, he might know.

 

Rev 3.5 is the GOOD revision.

 

Mine has the C0 Stepping.

 

If that's the case, Clevo resellers are probably finishin' up remainin inventory and then would introduce C2's in OCT! Win 8.1 will probably get bundled up with those lappys I guess.

 

Win 8.1 is supposed to offer better power management with the Haswells. I wonder how true that will be.

 

Usually don't fall for their gimmicks. But they say, 8.1 is going to have new ver DX11, support for future haswell compatible tech and more importantly better driver support with nvidia cards according to their collaboration. Anyways won't matter much for a power hungry laptop with top notch GPU performance IMO! Seems 8.1 had a lot of performance issues during preview..

 

I'm not very familiar with it but the guy says the screen behind the laptop is monitoring using a Blackmagic Intensity video capture card that works via USB 3. The other monitors to the right are a 27" Apple monitor displaying at full resolution (whatever that is) directly from the DP port (he jokes that Apple are still useful for making screens at least and a 55" Sony displaying directly from the HDMI output. He's showing a 5K video of the leaves..

 

Only one hard drive. it is fixed when I never have it power down. Sometimes it works okay after I load up an application and then all others after are okay while other times they all start up slow.

 

heya,

i love my new clevo p157sm, but i have a small problem with it, i have got 2x 240gb mushkin msata ssd's in raid0, but every time i take it out of the laptop bag (cause i mainly use the laptop at work) it says that the raid has failed, and i have to remove the ssd which is under the 9.5mm hard drive and reseat it, and even then that is not 100% that it is going to work, earlier tonight, it failed again, and i had to bang on the desk for it to work.

has anyone else had this problem or is it just me?

cheers

 

What version is your motherboard?

 

Thanks for the translation. I wondered what the red 5K in the title referred to. Anyway, cool, it does three displays.

 

Sounds normal. This drive may just take longer to spin up than the other drives you have had. As I suggested, I would set the drive to power down after a bit. I set mine to five or ten minutes. But you could try half an hour. After all, a few seconds every hour or so is not a big deal. And letting the drives power down reduces power usage, but also reduces the heat of the drive, and stress on the drive.

 

After weeks of testing, I think I'm gonna bite the bullet for this one. Currently when my P150SM running on Win 7 x64 only has 8 GB of ram, the system is stable. However when I add additional 8GB of ram, it BSODs randomly with "driver irql not less than or equal to" error.

As I tried all possible combinations for placing RAM modules and running memtest86, I think I'm going to finally cave in and install Windows 8, which is the supported operating system.

Does anyone here have a pleasant experience with running Win7 with a total of 16GB ram?

 

What strange bug is this?

 

Did you try the memory sticks one at a time? If they only fail when together, then maybe the memory timing is different between the two of them. I do remember seeing some driver issues with Win 7 in this thread. I thought the latest were OK though.

 

I am not following your question. What are you asking?

 

Are both sets of your ram sticks matched in voltage and timings?

 

I was referring to nvidia5500's post #722 about Win7 being a potential cause of RAM error. If it really is, that would be strange.

 

Hello ALL , love specific model forums , so helpful !!!!!!
questions ! ,
Fixing to purchase the 150 through prostar ,
pretty much purchasing it stock , and as I can afford it I would like to add an ssd ,
will it affect my warranty ?
Are there cheaper places to bye ?
They have a 30 day satisfaction policy , see any problems returning because of dead pixels if I don't mention it as the cause ?

Thank you in advance !!!!

 

Adding a HDD/SSD is considered a user replaceable component and your warranty is still intact. You will need to keep the original though and put it back in if you need to send it back.

 

May I know why you don't want to mention it?

 

So I am thinking of getting an sager np 8265-s pretty much the way it comes from xotic. I might go the the 4800 cpu, and that is where my question lies. Is there much of a difference between the 4700 and 4800 cpu's? I will be mostly using it for photo editing. Will I see much of a difference for this type of operation? I know that photoshop is hardest on cpu/ram which is why this model appeals to me.
I am also open to other suggestions (I do plan on getting a ssd for my boot drive but will do it later sense I want a 840 pro and they don't seem to offer that as the boot drive), would be welcome.

 

I know that going with the 8235 can get me the same or even more power for less money. But, I do like the idea of the high end gpu (even though I will probably never use all its power), and even though I know that future cpu/gpu upgrades are not guaranteed, I figure I would have a better chance of being able to upgrade later if I buy the newest tech now.

 

Sorry for all the questions, but I know this thing will be loud, but will it be too loud to have on during a class in college? I won't be useing it for anything intensive in class just reading text mostly but I don't want it to disrupt the rest of the class (small community college, so small 10-30 person classes).

 

Guess I should fill out one of these.
What is your budget?
2000 max (hoping for more like 1600)

What country will you be buying this in?
USA

What size notebook do you prefer?
Mainstream (15 - 16-inch screen)

Would you consider a refurbished laptop?
No

What are the primary tasks you need this notebook for?
Web Surfing, Photo Editing, Movie Streaming and Viewing, Output Video to TV or Large Monitor, Casual Gaming

really just like to have lots of tabs open doing different things and not lag out. And sometimes will have quite a few Photoshop/Lightroom tabs open.

Where will you be using this laptop?
Will be used different places

How many hours of battery life do you need?
2

Will you be buying online or in store?
online

Which OS do you prefer?
Windows 8 or Windows 7

List the screen resolutions that interest you:
Max Resolution (1920 x 1080)

Do you prefer a glossy or matte screen?
Glossy or Matte is fine

Is the laptops design important to you?
No

Approximately what date will you be buying this laptop?
Around 10/02/2013

How long do you want this laptop to last?
3 years

How much storage capacity do you need?
750 GB

Are you interested in SSD for storage?
Maybe

Do you want a built-in optical drive, what type?
Blu-Ray

 

They don't care if you return it because of dead pixels. A return is a return. The no dead pixel guarantee means they will check the panel before shipping to you for dead pixels. If it arrives to your home and with dead pixels, they will cover shipping back to their HQ.

If you don't purchase the guarantee, you will have to cover shipping for any replacements/returns.

 

Hi, quick question. Does upgrading the ram/msata/hdd void the warranty?

edit:Just saw the post before mine, sorry about that, it's hard on my phone..

Edit2 so hard, in fact, I somehow ended up in the wrong thread... .this is a new low

 

It should be just fine. I have the 4700mq in mine and unless you really start pushing the system the fan won't even go above its minimum speed. The dGPU won't even bother turning on its fan unless its actively doing something too. Just sitting in a lecture hall typing notes or something you probably won't even hear the CPU fan running above the ambient noise, if it runs at all. I'm typing on mine with it sitting on top of my bed sheets, and the fans aren't even running.

 

I've been wondering about that.. which GPU are you using? (780m?)

By the way thanks to everyone else who posted their impression of laptop noise..

 

With any GPU due to optimus or enduro when not in use the GPU will be 99.9% totally powered off so not in need of a heatsink even at that point so the dGPU fan shuts down.

 

Here are some benchmarks on the CPUs Review Intel Haswell Processors - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

I found this quote in a CNet review for a Toshiba laptop with the 4700mq - " While I'm being a bit tough on the X75's design and lack of a touch screen, no one will have any problem with the system's performance. With a 2.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-4700MQ Haswell-generation processor, plus 16GB of RAM, the new Qosmio gave us a nice performance boost over the X875 model. Even heavy-duty Photoshop use, video editing, or gaming won't give the X75 much of a problem."

If you are looking for a notebook recomendation, then there is a different section for that. (That is normally why that form is filled out.)

 

Yah I know there is a thread for recomendations. but for the most part I have decided on the 8265s, I just wanted some feedback from people that own them. So I understand that the 4700 is probably fast enough for what I will be doing. I am just wondering if there will be a noticable difference between it and the 4800, I am not considering the 4900 because it looks to be just a tiny upgrade over the 4800, and there seem's to be a much bigger difference between the 4700 and 4800

 

Has anyone have any problems with GPU temp readings and utilization? I use GPU temp to show the temps on a graph over time. At one point during gaming(about 3-5 min in) the temp dropped from almost 70 degrees c and climbing to a little over 50 degrees c. This happened with no change in gameplay. It is almost like the 8970m found a way to have the same utilization but cooler. The fan wasn't turning on and the air was way cooler than normal. Does this seem right? I can't really believe it.

 

How do you know the fan was not on? I would think it was on, and it just increased speed a little. Did you change the position of the laptop? Elevating the back compared to the from can help cooling as I understand it.

 

The fan was on its lowest setting. When I would hit fn+1 it would be way cooler air coming out than other times gaming. I always play with the back lifted up and that helps a lot but not 20 degrees c lower. It could be due to not having it plugged in while i was playing. I will test that out later but I am not complaining because temps that low is great!

 

All laptops will downclock the GPU when on battery due to the battery not being able to supply the full 180W needed.

 

Is the 95% gamut screen on the sager 8265s the same one in the lenovo w530? I thought I had read it was, and someone on the adobe forums is telling me it is I was just wondering if anyone here knew?

 

Yes, they all are the AUO panel.

 

so i can assume that the people telling me in the I want to buy a laptop thread,to get the w530 over the 8265 because of the screen, just don't know that the sager comes with the same screen.

 

Not sure. They certainly ARE using the same panels/screens. I don't think Sager/Clevo provides specific information on the panel's grade. Is it A+? A-? etc. Clevo's panels actually might be of lower grade/quality. For example, brightness.

Review Eurocom X3 (Clevo P157SM) Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

vs

Review Lenovo ThinkPad W530 N1K43GE Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

The review of the W530 shows that the screen is at least above 250cd/m^2 (fluctuating between 253cd/m^2 to 276cd/m^2) in all areas while the P157SM's screen is fluctuating between 226cd/m^2 all the way up to 260cd/m^2.

Of course, that is just the brightness, so if that doesn't bother you... go for it.

The W530 is probably built a bit better overall (case/chassis, 9 cell battery option, guaranteed minimum quality for components [for example, screen minimum brightness seems to be 250cd/m^2. Any lower, and the panel is probably sold off to other companies such as Clevo/Sager.], etc.)

Of course, if you want the Lenovo, I would wait for a W530 refresh with Haswell.

Companies such as Apple and Dell DO sell off panels that do not meet minimum quality standards (set by the company itself), and those panels are often shipped back to the country of origin.

For example, the IPS panels used by Apple and Dell monitors. They are made by Korean companies. Noticed the big burst of "Korean IPS Panels"? Those were the rejects sold cheaply to (relatively small) Korean monitor companies that uses the rejected panels for their monitors.

That is probably why Sager offers a "no dead pixel" guarantee (30 days) for a certain price. Same thing with people selling those Korean IPS monitors. They have an option for guaranteed No Dead Pixels, but it costs EXTRA. Even though the monitor may not have dead pixels, it will certainly have other defects like nonuniform brightness or excessive light bleed.

 

I have heard the screens are very good, and well worth the upgrade. Also for Photoshop, no matter which model you get, buy a home screen calibration kit. That way it will be calibrated to your lighting conditions. And I think kits can be had for about $100.

I don't think a brightness difference makes one lower quality. Just might mean the manufacturer decided to run the backlighting at a lower power level. Often this is done to increase battery run times. With that said, I prefer brighter as it is nice to have the option even if you don't use it.

For photoshop, you won't run at full brightness. At least when I calibrated my monitor it had me drop brightness quite a bit. So I don't think you will on the laptop.