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Is this a hard-wired behavior in the motherboard/architecture? Because I've tried disabling the DGPU in device manager and also through the BIOS, and in both cases the CPU still throttles on battery. Although, according to the DGPU indicator light on the laptop henceforth staying on full time after either method of disabling, actually just causes the DGPU to run full time, albeit not being directly utilized. The battery power draw seems to reflect that it does stay on full time... which seems odd.

 

The machine always expects to run with a card inserted. It was never designed to run without a card and make gains from that.

 

Thanks for the insight, Meaker. What's strange is that I have found that by disabling Intel Speedstep in the bios, the CPU clock speed is forced to a constant 2.8Ghz even on battery.. which seems to dispel the implication that this is a hardware safety limit for battery draw that causes it normally be limited to 1.65ish on battery. The downside there is losing the ability to clock down when idle and turbo boost also not functioning. I guess I will just have to be more thorough in researching brands/models in the future for odd behaviors like this.

On an unrelated note, do you know if it's a known issue for the small subwoofer on the bottom of the P150SM/NP8268-s to not work/not be compatible with Windows 10? Ever since updating* from 7 (or 8.1, I don't remember at this point), the subwoofer does not seem to output sound under any combination of settings.

*By update, I mean clean install of Win 10, and drivers installed from Sager site.

 

You must use the X-Fi MB3 driver.

 

Yes, that's the driver/software I'm using. Well, specifically I'm using the Realtek driver from the Sager driver website for my model, but I also have the X-Fi MB3 software installed and running. Is there an actual Soundblaster driver that I should be using instead of the Realtek ones provided for my model by Sager?

 

You are circumventing the normal operation of the machine, as such behaviour can expect to vary from the norm.

 

I see... any ideas on the subwoofer not outputting sound?

 

Are you using sound software only from the page for your device?

 

Yes, the Win 10 driver versions from the official Sager driver page for the NP8268-s. I know for a fact that it used to work on whatever OS my laptop was previously on (using the appropriate driver versions), but I don't remember if that was Windows 7 or 8.1 before I replaced it with Windows 10. I'm wondering if maybe it's an issue between the hardware and Win 10, but I don't have another NP8268-s to test on to see if this happens to all of them, or if it's just something wrong with mine.

 

The drivers have likely changed and model differences like that can cause the sub to cut out unfortunately.

 

That's what I was afraid of... thanks anyways for the help. : )

 

I had the same Issue. You need to install chipset drivers then the SB XFI. It won't be able to detect the subwoofer before that and therefor not unlock the "Built in Speakers" option.

Windows 10 installs some generic chipset drivers which don't have the subwoofer in em. Hence your subwoofer is bascially driverless.

 

Quick question to the fellow owners.
I own the SAGER NP8258 (CLEVO P157SM), and its 3 years old as of today. So as far as power and performance goes, I've never really had any issues until I started playing the new titles, Dead by daylight being one of them. I can play that game, but man is the frame rate horrendous. The problem persists even on the lowest graphic's settings, and the other game I'm feeling it in is Black Desert online. I have to play both of them on low.

So with all that out of the way, what can I do to remedy this situation?
Am I able to upgrade the CPU/GPU? (4700mq, 870m)z
Should I increase the RAM (8gb currently).

tl;dr Want to upgrade my laptop, what can I do?

 

Have a look at your GPU and CPU usage/clocks and make sure everything is running at max speed.

 

First you need to tell us which graphicscard you have.

EDIT: I am blind, LoL.
I will look into it. Gonna edit my answer once again if I found an answer.

Could you tell us what frames you get in Dead By Daylight?

Alright I checked both games and both have the exact same issue:
Dead by Dayight is a horrible console port, so if you want more FPS in that game, either buy a GTX 1060 and pray that you get 50s FPS or you need to fiddle around with the game. Some managed to get the game to run somewhat decent on GTX 870mish graphicscards with medium settings (45-55ps).Don't ask me how they did it, I don't have the game, hence I can't help you testing it.

On Black Desert, it's like most MMORPGs is just HORRIBLE programmed, even with a GTX 1080TI in SLI won't get you a stable 60FPS in that game. Basicially, in black deserts case, there is no way you will ever play that game on high settings and 60fps, unless you buy a Nasa PC.



Single GTX 1080 on 144p 37min FPS.

 

To make it simple, yes they are; I have followed all the recommended NVIDIA settings in the Ge Force Experience. And using different software I can see that they are both being used completely. (This is also while plugged in to the power-brick. The FPS drops to nothing when on battery alone)

So basically your answer is both of these games are garbage in regards to optimization and I shouldn't worry about it?
Reason I even asked all of this is my desktop is running a 6 year old 670GTX and I'm getting stable 60FPS in both. I was sure it was ME that's doing something wrong, but if this is the case of ****ty games, I can deal with that.

Even so I am going to ask one last question:
What, if anything, can be upgraded. GPU? CPU?
I can max out the 4 RAM slots and make it 32/64gb, whatever the laptop max is there, but that won't increase the performance. At least not that I believe.

Thanks so much guys!




EDIT: To Meaker, the Sager Rep, I have one more question, say hypothetically I sell this laptop and get the newer end model, would it be a feasible upgrade for gaming purposes? I'm just wondering, I know it would be more powerful going from an 870m to say a 1070. But by how much? And is it worth it?

 

CPU/GPU/RAM can all be upgraded, with some of those requiring more effort and money than others.

 

I edited my last post right before you answered my first question, darn.

Also what are the compatible upgrades? And do you guys sell them?

 

They are unofficial GPU upgrades mind so not offered through ourselves directly GPU wise.

The GTX 1060 is a decent upgrade over your current card, everything above that is gravy.

 

Gravy? As in good? I'm sorry I'm obviously retarded today, haha.

 

Yes, as in good

 

Can you "hint" at where I can look for these parts? Ebay just shows the damn laptops with the parts ha-ha.
Also I didn't realize that the parts are compatible so far into the future. My laptop is 3 years old and I can still swap the GPU? Any other upgrades that I'd need when I upgrade to say, 1070?
Or is it plug and play like in a desktop?
I know a lot about desktops, and pretty much nothing on laptops. XD

 

The GTX 1060 would defnitely be a good upgrade over your current card. You will be able to play almost every new title on max settings with 60+fps on ultra. BUT, we have yet to confirm if the GTX 1060 works in a P157sm model or not, I know that it works in MSI's GT 72, 70 and some 60s 100% and I heard that it works for some Clevo models, but it has'nt been tested on your model. You're welcome to try tho.

Still even after the upgrade you won't be able to run black desert 60fps stable because the game is simply poorly programmed, however the other game should run on high with 60fps.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nvidia-...211313?hash=item1c7999de31:g:B-wAAOSwal5YL~G1
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-NVIDIA-...867222?hash=item28233c9ed6:g:VyoAAOSwx2dYEtm9

If you decide to buy a GTX 1060, let me know how it went alright? I have the same model and am considering upgrading to a GTX 1060 myself in a couple of months.

 

Thanks for letting me know that the 1060 hasn't been tested. The whole conversation makes even more sense now since the other person said they aren't technically supported and are aftermarket. Ugh I really want to upgrade but for the price and the headache, I'm leaning towards selling this machine for close to 900$ and then just buying the newer model. >-<
Either way, thank you everyone for the kind and honest answers

 

If you can sell it for 900USD then u should do it, I highy doubt u will get that much tho.

 

Time to revive this thread again, with more stupid questions that I SHOULD know the answers to.
1.) How can I tell if my Sager is an NP8258 or NP8258-S.
2.) On the Clevo side, how can I tell if my Sager is the Clevo P157SM or P157SM-A.

Reason I'm asking is to find out which specific Bios/vBios I will need from Prema-Mods.
Lastly, when I visited the wordpress hosted by Prema-Mods, the only vBios mods that are listed are for the 9xx series cards, and I own the 870m.
Anyway, thanks again guys!

 

If the notebook is "born" with a GTX 870M you have a P157SM-A. You can go and download CPU-Z and look at mainboard tab. It will tell you if u have P15SM or P157SM-A

 

Also I took the battery out and saw the only sticker on the computer tell me 2 different things, but I'll just take what you said, and what the sticker says as me having a P157SM-A

Edit: So now my question is since I have the 870m, how do I go about getting the vBios for this specific model, since Prema-mods only has the 9xx series?

 

There is no reason for you to go for a different vBios unless you plan on overclocking and know what u're doing. Otherwise I'd not recommend it.

If you plan on getting better performance go for a GTX 1060 or GTX 980M. I've seen threads of people with a P170em where they could plug and play the card, given that your system is newer it should be the same, however, if you buy the GTX 1060 you need to do a slight modding on your heatsink.


Then u're good to go. Be aware that it has to be the MSI version with no extra PCB on the left side.

 

That's exactly what I was planning on doing, ocing the 870m until I upgrade to the newer Sager, or go the eGPU route, because the 1060 is insanely high priced 648$ is like 2 1070's for a desktop... ha-ha.
Thanks for the info anyway

 

Or wait until AMD makes something interesting with the new vega cards.

First of all test what temperatures you have right now with the GTX 870M. Use MSI afterburner overlay and play your most demanding game (if you have witcher that would be perfect). If your temperatures are already around 85c+ then Overclocking would be pointless.

 

Ill report tonight when I get off work with my "findings" I do not own Witcher 3, but I have Black Desert Online and Dead by Daylight, BF4, uh.... some other old AAA titles. Ill just push it with what I can and see what happens

 

The machines shared a lot of parts so you kind find references to both, if anything is SM-A then that's what you have as it's the later version.

 

Got another P150SM-A for testing purposes.

This platform works without a dedicated GPU, but the BIOS is programmed to shut it down after 30 seconds, as it beeps once per second due to the missing card. Full GPU fan speed.
Managed to get into Windows, not enough time to check applications.

I believe there could be a BIOS bypass somewhere.

 

It's built into the EC, no signal = shutdown. I think prema disabled that for a couple of models in the past but it's not super simple IIRC.

 

Maybe there is a hardware bypass simple as ps_on for the atx power supplies

 

I think it's lacking expected data, you would need to spoof it to hardware fix it.

 

Hello Sir. I have a NP 8258 and I have trouble playing just dota 2 or any other games because I always got this power limit and drops fps really hard. I can't play properly and i dont know what to do with it to fix it. Someone please help. Thank you

 

Dear all,

I upgraded my Clevo P157sm with a Nvidia GTX 970M 6GB (MSI version).
Updated my BIOS with Prema's MOD v2 and also updated VBIOS of the GPU with current Pema VBIOS.

Installed modded Nvidia driver without any issues.
GPU is recognized in device manager without problems and also in GPU Z, but it doesn't run correctly.
Bus Interface is alway on PCIE 16.1.1 and Clocks are also very low.
It seems to be that the GTX 970M is not used for graphics demanding tasks.
Benchmarks only run with low FPS, because iGPU is used.

Also tried to change Windows energyplan, but nothing changed.
Tried some different BIOS options and turning off the iGPU without any change.

Is there anyone who can help me?

Also tried Windows 10 and now running with Windows 7...

Many thanks for your help!

Best regards

Brainiac

 

How do you know it's a power limit?

 

I have installed MSI after burner. Whenever the Fps drops there is a power limit that shows up

 

Cool, can you show the graph from it happening? If you have gpuz running too.

 

I dont get it sir, you mean stress test it? or just the display that show limit power when I am playing? sorry dont get it

 

Graphs of the behaviour of the system while it's happening so maybe we can see what is going on

 

I dont know where to look sir. Not good with technical stuff, just playing games.

 

Noone can help?

 

Can you help me?

 

Very slow process

 

You have MSI afterburner and you are reading the graphs to tell us what you think, show them to us so we can tell you what we think as we likely know how to read them better than you do.

 

you mean this sir?