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What adjustments? It should just install unless you are upgrading the GPU and changing the machine.

 

I see i see

i was referring to this few tutorials.. i guess i'm overthinking this?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sager-clevo-nvidia-drivers-newer-ones.800906/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ts-driver-on-clevo-p150hm-sager-8150m.689544/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/installing-nvidia-drivers-by-modding-inf-files.746245/

http://null-bin.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/how-to-modify-nvidia-notebook-driver.html

 

If they are installing normally you are WAY over thinking this.

 

sorry i don't quite understand

my perception of a normal installation process and this applies to all my drivers etc is

1)download updated driver from nvida whql version and click install - so far no issues and never thought there should be one

2) BUT now after reading the four posts and many more which are consistent that updating a new nvidia driver on a clevo card requires those steps outlined.

NOW - which one is correct? that's my question for my clevo p150sm with GTX 780m

is it step 1) or 2) ??

 

If you are not having issues with the install then there are no further steps. Just download the latest and install. If it has done this what is your issue? What has triggered you to ask about it?

 

merely that in every guide - i don't remeber any members saying "hey i didn't need to do all those extra steps for my clevo and it's ok!"

so i thought it's a must

 

Downloading and installing is the normal process so people won't report doing it.

 

then why are there the numerous tutorials created - someone obviously spent a lot of time doing this for nothing?

 

Can I ask, you've updated the software, but not the hardware, right?

 

yes just the drivers -the 780m is standard issue (according to GPU-z it still retains that clevo/kapok is the vendor

 

If you are updating only the software (the drivers), then it's fine. The upgrading process is very simple. Just a click or two.

However, if you ever change your GPU, that is where / when you will run into issues etc. For example, my laptop (same model as yours) came along with a GTX980M. If I upgrade it to 1060/1070, there are going to be issues and I will have to do a lot of things to resolve it because the laptop wasn't designed to "carry" a 1060/1070. I will need to do some bios upgrading, firmware, etc etc

Probably that is where the confusion came from?

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thanks for the explanation - appreciate it. it's kinda ironic that the main purpose of someone buying a clevolaptop is the freedom to customise their laptop similar to those who like to DIY their own PC

One of the best things were that there were zero whitelists. kinda ironic that they provide minimal support for their devices (which i accept as their audience are meant for advanced users) but then they lock the advanced features of the bios ? I mean it's one thing to provide minimal support but l would expect that they should at least then give us the tools to enable us to selfmaintain our systems eh.

the reliance of the genius that is prema who came out with a 3rd party alternative bios which remains the best version to date is evidence of a somewhat half-baked solution.

I'm still on the original bios and wished i had known of the premamod for my p150sm before some dickhead adbused his generosity but i sure am glad forums like these and to a lesser extent tech inferno exists (mainly due to the mining bug)

thanks and imo i thiink the 780m is still relevant. in fact due to my lack of gameplay i'm considering sellling the card or maybe the entire setup as frankly i find myself playing less games.

kinda sucks i can't just sell the card as the laptop cannot operate on the igpu alone right?

 

Changes by Nvidia and a lack of standards makes that quite difficult to achieve.

 

Chiming in with another one... after years of faithful service both for herself and as a backup for my own rig, my mother's NP8258 just started throwing an error code of a beep every second with Scroll and Caps lights blinking at same rate, then powering off. Is this just a matter of overheating and needing to cool down a while, or has something been fried and needs an RMA?

 

That's an EC panic, check trmps and the fans are spinning properly.

 

Been cold for a couple hours, just spun it up, no airflow felt from #2 fan. Time to get an RMA from XoticPC, looks like...

Thanks, Meaker. News sucks, but at least we know exactly what needs fixing.

 

FN + 1 should max the fans if you want to test the fan function.

 

Meaker, I usually run things at FN-1 full-time--I'm not always in the most "thermally optimal" environments, so I try to use the fans to offset that. My NP9380, if it's running all three fans are going flat-out plus there's a 120mm fan in an old CoolerMaster Notepal X3 forcing additional air up from below--admittedly, the 8258 has also seen more use in the past year than its entire existence before that.

 

yeah thanks - i'm not sure how that plays into it as Ii believe the clevo lines had no whitelists and that sounded a bit like a whitelist thing (based on the premise that a desktop sandy bridge pc can accept a 1070 with any bios mods) but i guess its probably a lot more complicated on a laptop.

that and the fact that the tuturials i've come across seem to be worded as if it was a universal/sweeping statement (you'd think they'd put in a line that says this is for ppl who upgraded their gpus beyond the bios's recognition) but its a fantastic machine i guess i'm just showing my lack of depth now that i know they don't mention it because it's assume a certain level of tech wizardry to own a clevo.

i still find the machine remarkable for its age. I'll probably attempt a self bios patch of the meltdown when i have some time given i've come across the diy for LINUX and have the updated micrcodes. plus the fact that its an AMI bios makes life easier as the tools needed are widely available.

worst case - i brick it but again the layout allows for a cmos reset pretty easily too

 

With MXM cards you have the video outputs to worry about and the feedback to the EC for cooling, it's a bit more complicated than the desktop.

 

yeah -

even though it weighs a ton - fitting all these in to that is still somewhat a respectable achievement.

the irony is that i've only used it as a desktop - - never had to move it as it sat plugged in to my external monitor via hdmi so even when i mess with the benchmarks - max temps were around just under 80.

I've never really used the screen and the display which is the weird part but i'm not used to the keyboard layout anyway.

for some reason its been very heavily underutilised for it's true purpose.

oh i checked the ODD bay and can confirm it was sata 2 which isn't bad if you wanted to put a 1 tb hdd.

4 drives total - ram slots - perfect beast haha

 

Yes the optical bay was usually kept to SATA II as optical drives can't use more really.

 

Hi guys looking for a little help, I have the sm-a model of this laptop and dropped a 4930mx in it but i have the consistent ramping up and down of the fans between 40c and 50c even with liquid metal. I noticed i have bios version 1.00.07 anyone have any links to get a bios that controls the fans better?

 

Ask the original reseller for an update, that model may be old enough to be listed in the BIOS update thread.

 

I like your style unfortunately that ship has long since sailed it was the first thing i had done. I didnt come off the last ship and don't expect to be spoon feed either bios is from american megatrends i have contacted support but they are as usefull as a chocolate teapot. I have checked the old bios thread which was helpful thank you very much but i have concerns p157sm vs sm-a any major difference in bios between the two i may run the risk of a brick tho ... hmmm ill have to sleep on that decision. Any other useful information would be great i see alot about prema bios which may help who knows ?How to i get hold of that guy ill drop a beer his way for the help.

 

The -a fixed an MSATA issue IIRC that stopped the 2nd msata port from working reliably. I can't remember if that made the BIOS files incompatible. Are you sure yours is not a -a (the naming was a bit rubbish).

 

Hey guys,

I just bought a secondhand P150SM, to replace my ancient Asus W90Vp gaming laptom.
Over here they're sold under BTO.

It has the i7 4710MQ, 1 8Gig stick of 1600 Mhz DDR3 (I think), a 128Gig SSD boot drive and a 1TB HDD and finally the GTX 980M.

I bought it with a fresh install of Windows 10. It was working great and I ran Cinebench R15, 3DMark Firestrike and HWinfo64 to check the performance.
After updating the GPU graphics drivers this gpu was outperforming the reference I had on the notebookcheck benchmark pages by over 200 points.
The CPU however showed 2 threads were thermal throttling and it 'only' boosted up to 3.2Ghz, rather than the mentioned 3.5Ghz in the benchmarks, thus the Cinebench score was a bit lower than advertised, but I chalked it up to the extremely hot weather and old thermal paste.
I also ran speedtest, to check the wifi connectivity and that turned out to be working beautifully as well.

Anyways I took it home and noticed the RGB controls for the keyboard werent working and neither was the audio output when I insterted some headphones.

So I started looking around, trying to find drivers for everything and began installing the Windows 8.1 ones from the Clevo website.

Everything installed and working properly now, except the microphone in port isnt recognizing my headphone mic when I plug it in. It knows its plugged in, but nothing records.
Also the Hotkey app seems to be working but the RGB keyboard is completely off and cant get it to turn back on, except for during boot, and sometimes lights up a second or so, when I insert my mechanical keyboard.

Anyone got any tips or tricks? Pieces of software I need to get it running even better? Read something about a modded bios? Whats the function of that and would I benefit from it? And, of course, does anyone have a working solution for the rgb keyboard???

 

3.5Ghz is the single core turbo, the speed you are seeing is the max all core turbo.

 

Ow cool, thanks for the reply.
As stated I will change out the thermal paste for some MX4 I have lying around and see if it will still throttle.

Any clue on the hotkey app or the bios question?

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Sounds like you may need to re-install the hotkey app and the prema bios is not easy to find.

 

Well I tried reinstalling many versions. The one s for 7, 8, 8.1... non of them work and there is no win 10 supported on the Clevo drivers page...

And what does a bios like that actually do?

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So I opened her up and found some more information.
Though the seller said it had 2 full size 2,5" drives, the SSD is actually an mSATA, which is situated underneath the 2,5" 7200rpm HDD. I also found out this laptop actually has 2 mSATA ports and I believe the second one is the empty one below where the processor sits (see first picture).

I also discoverd the 4 SoDIMM slots, of which only slot 1 is populated with an 8GB stick (see second picture of the ram stick). So it will only be running in single channel config, which is good enough for now.
If I were to add another one in the future (if I can find the same spec), in which slot would it need to go for dual channel config?
Also, this stick is 1600mhz, are faster speeds supported/possible/worth it?

In the meantime I removed the coolers and will be replacing the hardened thermal paste tomorrow (left the laptop at work for now).

 

Here are the pictures.

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Hello, sorry that I am new to this forum. I am planning to give my old laptop to my son (P150SM) which has a Maxwell 970 that I would like to push about 300MHz on the core, yet to do that I need to Increase the speed which the current vBios does not allow. I know there is a program called Maxwell Bios Tweaker yet I had no experience with modifying the vBios with it. I would like to know if there is any way I can unlock the 135 MHz and go past it. I would like to overclock it until he will be able to have a desktop. https://imgur.com/a/u5v6OC5

 

So I just finished reapplying the thermal paste.
Of course we need some benchmark to see if it worked...

During the initial run of Cinebench R15 it scored 644cb, which is right on par with the benchmark scores for this CPU. It maintained 3.2Ghz with a reasonable 80-82°C while Vcores set at 1.135V to 1.139V. Total consumed CPU power reached 54 Watts.

But one run doesnt paint the whole picture.
So I made a total of 4 passes. As expected, every time the temperature got hotter and the scores would get lower.

During the 4th run, one core shot up to 91°C so turboboost downclocked it to 2.8Ghz momentarily untill the temperature had settled down again and after that it still maintained an overall turbo of 3Ghz. It still scored 591cb, which was an improvement over the very first run I did with this laptop.

No thermal throttling warning in HWinfo64 this time, where it would give me one even during the first run.

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On the GPU side of things, it achieved an almost identical graphics score on Firestrike of 9839 and a total score of 8261.
It reached only 80°C with a core clock of 1126Mhz and a memory clock of 1252 Mhz, video clock was at 1036Mhz and Vcore at 1.075V drawing 111Watts.
No idea how this stacks up against other GTX 980M and I didnt record the previous data, but all in all this seems very good to me.

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You didn't specify which TIM was used, but does it have a 'break in' period? Could that be why it settled down after more use??

 

Nah just a case of heatsoak of the heatpipes and fins because of the sustained load, running 4 stresstests back to back.

I used MX4, it might still settle in a bit, but it wont be as drastic.

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Ok. I use Grizzly Kryonaut which seems to do a bit better after a quick burn in period.

 

Both pastes don't really have a burn in period.

 

source

LOL! The article has a bullet point at the top which contradicts their own own sentence.

Perhaps, "burn in" was a poorly chosen use of words.

Regardless, for whatever reason over the many multiple pastes I've done with Kryonaut, my experience is that some burn in, use (or curing) does yield a 1-3 C drop after initial run. It doesn't cost much except a bit of time, so I figure, 'What the heck.'

 

I would suggest to perform the test again after a while, but I see no point in doing so, since I had no record of the ambient temperature unfortunately.

Anyways, I manage to even perform streams now, while playing my favorite game. So all in all I'm happy with the new purchase.

If I could gain some extra performance in some way, by increasing the fans for instance, I would tho. I dont care about the noise.

So any tips and tricks are welcome.

Would still like to get an answer on my previous questions if anyone could

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It's nowhere near as significant it was and for most people's testing that's basically margin or error levels.

 

Anyone active on here that could share some benchmark data? Interested in regular FireStrike data with the GTX980m. Both stock or with MSI Afterburner running.

Here's some of mine.

MSI Afterburner @ +100 core and +200 mem

The GPU peaked at 87°C during the first run.

General score 8341
Graphics 10276 - 48.28 / 41.58 fps
Physics 8256 - 26.21 fps
Combined 3481 - 16.20 fps

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P370EM3 with i7-3840QM @4,1GHz and one 980M (Prema Bios).

The GPU peaked at 85°C during the first run.

General score 8550
Graphics 10173 - 48.46 / 40.69 fps
Physics 8475 - 26.91 fps
Combined 3917 - 18.22 fps

 

Thank you for sharing.

Guess your CPU base and boost clock are a smidge higher than mine (4710MQ) and maybe the Prema bios helps.
Edit: just saw it's running at 4.1Ghz

Good to see the GPU being on par with your specs.

Any OC related mods done in the bios? Might need to try and find me one...

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I haven't done any mods in bios. Just using Prema Bios and vBios plus OC. Recently I lost one of my 980M's so I havent tried max OC runs yet. I feel it won't go much higher to maintain stability while gaming.

 

You had SLI in that laptop?

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Second slot is empty at the moment

 

Cool. Dont know your model of laptop, but I guess your cooling might also be better than what my 157SM has.

My previous laptop was an Asus W90Vp with crossfire 4780's.

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