*** Official Clevo P370EM / Sager NP9370 Owner's Lounge ***

Every mxm board supports external G-SYNC (7 series and up at least) only the internal panel support differs.

The issue in this case is the chassis and the thunderbolt connection used for the displayport connector.

Basically the dedicated GPU has to be directly wired to the display output which is why pure optimus setups also can't run G-sync.

 

For sure P370em don't have optimus, and have DP but I will have problems to connect external g-sync monitor if card will work? I didint Understand that "thunderbolt connection used for the displayport connector"

In other hand Im only wondering that with Prema bios and vbios on card will be no problem with installation, because on Prema site with vbios to 980 g-sync model is no words about supporting EM series.

Even with g-sync (working or not) for external monitor, sill If I buy 980m gsync version (I got ocassion for that) I want to make sure it won't be issues installing and working on my P370EM

***update

I found this post from one member in other thread about p370em and 980m

So I think this is a clear answer

 

Good day everyone! I got a Sager NP9370 which I bought from XOTICPC years ago. The LED is showing signs of aging and already has a red vertical line. I am wondering if anyone from Xoticpc or anyone knows where I can source an LVDS cable before the laptop screen dies out? Thank you very much. PS: I do not live in the US so I prefer Asian suppliers, however US suppliers are welcome.

 

The cable should still be good, you may be best off checking the panel itself first. Which one did you get with the machine?

 

The matte type. Not sure how to do the checking of panel by myself.

 

OK. first off make sure you have an external monitor on hand in case it does die (you can also test right now that it's not the GPU that's the problem)

The LVDS cable you can grab the part number from the part list section of the service manual and look either online you may find one on ebay or aliexpress - or for a reseller. Just make sure you don't get a cable for the 3D (eDP) version. Note some charge a LOT more than others for identical parts (*cough*eurocom*cough*). Metabox (Western Australia) gave me a good price recently so you can try them if you have no luck with local Asian resellers.

But...
I'd open the unit up and see if the cable looks ok, it may have come loose or be pinched in a hinge or something. Otherwise barring obvious damage, or something like jiggling the cable making the display come good, it could be the panel, lucky they are usually pretty cheap you shouldn't have to pay much more than 100USD ordering direct from china.

 

Hi all. On this forum and thread i not find clevo p370em STOK bios or versions release. Why?
And i have problem with led keyboard clevo hotkey. In win7 change led not working. The app not started but stay in tray. I cannot change, off, brithless level- nothing not working. Maybe who know this problem and answer how fix it?

 

Prema Bios is better.

I am using Control Center (Hotkey) 8.0103 and it works fine.

 

for win7 or win8?
i know the prema bios is better, but i need a stok bios for made changes. After prema bios my power supply is begin very litle noise. And i want to bakcup for old version, but i dont find him. No any bioses on support clevo, sager, eurocom...

 

I use win10.
I might have the original bios somewhere, but can't check atm. I'll upload it later

 

Ok. Thanks. I am waiting your upload.

 

I had 3D version and uploaded Hotkey 8.0103

Spoiler: P370EM3

https://www.mediafire.com/?16ah5gq558ga07f,oqsz385xbfr1ra8

 

Thanks

 

I upgraded as well and it was a huge difference between the older P370em heatsinks

 

Yeah the extra fin space meant it was a far bigger area than the primary GPU at that point, just the CPU had to make do with a fairly small one.

 

What max temps 980M SLI gives on max load?
I upgraded my P370EM3 heatsinks to SM-A and 680M SLI temps were similar or even cooler on slave GPU. After upgrade to 980M SLI I see up to 13*C higher on slave GPU (73*C and 86*C). Idle temps are cooler on slave tho (33*C and 34*C). I tried different mods (lapping, added extra heatpipe with fins) and even got a new fan but no improvement. I just mention that my CPU cooling is not shared with slave GPU as original EM heatsinks were designed.

 

Try not to ask the same question in multiple threads, it can cause a lot of confusion.

 

Can upgrade this with MSI 1070 SLI. With an eDP cable and panel, internal display should work too.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sli-msi-1070-mxm-in-p370em-an-adventure.806069/

 

Can someone confirm the HDMI and DP out specs on the P370EM/NP9370 and what display modes they can do?

HDMI: 1st page in this thread a pic attached to a post from larry@LPC says HDMI 1.4, which should do 4K@30Hz, but not 60Hz, and what about the refresh rate at 1440p? 60hz?

Displayport, I'm assuming it's minimum 1.2, so the bandwidth should cover 4K@60hz and 1440p@120hz? Or is DP, as the service manual suggests, entirely dependent on what the GPU supports (1070: DP 1.2 certified, 1.4 "ready")

TIA

 

You can see the max resolutions and refresh rates here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

Look at the version comparison table.

Yes DP is GPU dependant, I think the connector wiring is the same but these little things are not guaranteed.

 

Oh my god I'll be stuck with this laptop forever (currently have 970 sli)...

 

I know right

 

Here are some benchmarks results of GTX 1060 working in P370EM model with 120Hz EDP display. This is standard size 82x105mm MXM3 GPU.

 

Well I guess there are worse ways to be stuck

 

I see you guys have the 120hz lcd And cable avail. Seriously good job Eurocom! I imagine sli a touch too hot to handle?

 

Here is P370EM/EM3 LCD upgrade chart, so you can see what options you have to upgrade to eDP LCD panel that works with 10 series MXM3 82x105mm cards. We tested and approved both GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 in P370EM/EM3 model. P3000 and P5000 are currently under testing.

 

They get the 1070sli scores they should: >33000 firestrike graphics score, >11000 timespy graphics score, up around 1080Ti performance

But the slave card starts to throttle just near the end of a firestrike/timespy run at anything over 115W, I have a 93C temp limit set in the modded vbios. And I have quite extensively modded the cooling to what I can see is its full potential. Load temps on the slave seem worse since I last had the cards out, probably as I removed the thermal pad between slave gpu grill and that tiny secondary cpu one.

 

Yes but your 1070sli’s are custom custom. I imagine eurocom aren’t keen to sell an sli upgrade that would require tinkering and not quite perfect performance.

I take it these are all yours Bennyg?

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/320922/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-SLI

For now you’ve inspired me enough to get a 3940xm and overclock it. I can’t imagine purchasing two 1070’s as an upgrade is worth it for me for now. I could almost buy a second hand p870 with more upgradeable potential for a similar price. Never say never though...

 

Also how extensive did you get with cooling?i saw the usual tape and hole blocking. I assume you cut the bottom panel but did you bother with shimming the contact copper plates?

CPU heat is biggest problem for me. I’ve managed to get it to low 70’s though. It always has to sit on turntable feet though to get extra airflow.

 

The 3940xm is pretty fun to play with

 

Yep I’m a little nervous. I’ve never oc’d a cpu but it seems pretty easy with xtu.
I assume I can’t do too much damage?
My laptop is my CAD workstation and we’re in the middle of a deadline atm.

 

With this chassis it's that balance point of clocks and voltage, typically you undervolt a tad to get around 3.9Ghz and then see how lucky you were and if you can push it with either frequency up or voltage down.

 

Yep they're all mine

Not sure if I've redone UBM since I put in the 3940xm or slightly faster ram. I got ahold of 4x4gb hyperx pnp 2133 1.5v but couldn't get more than 2 sticks posting even with 2T premabios. I've got 24gb of 1800mhz cl10 in there now which adds a couple % on fs physics (the only place I actually see a difference) vs cl11 1600

No shimming. Its something I'll maybe look into but bending the springs seems to put enough extra pressure to keep the liquid metal in place. The woosy heatpipes and undersized rads kind of have me wonder whether anything else would be worth it.

4.2 is perfectly stable on stock voltage (TS reports 1.296V) for my 3940xm. Low 80s max load on full fans, but I usually leave it on auto which means high 80s. 4.3 needs a teeny bit extra turbo voltage (+3, about 12mV) for perfect stability. 4.5 needs over +100mV 1.41V and on heavy multithread benchmarks is only sometimes faster than 4.2 due to thermals

 

4 sticks is always tricky at 2133mhz for DDR3 sodimms.

 

Hi,

I have single 7970M in my P370EM. Which I have baked over past 2 years about 6 times. It works for a few months, then it dies. Baking ressurect it.

Now I need my laptop to be realible to work. So I ordered 2nd 7970M and I am thinking about running crossfire.


So my question. Should I put new 7970M as master or slave? I would say slave, because master should do more work right? But because slave GPU fan shares one of two CPU heatpipes, the slave's GPU temperatures usually run higher then master GPU.


Thoughts?

 

If the master card fails your computer won't be usable. If the slave fails, it'll probably only crash when you go to use it i.e. run a game with CF enabled, also removing it in event of failure will be quicker than swapping. I'd put the dodgy card as slave.

Of course not having the dodgy card in the laptop at all would be best for reliability...

I've heard lots of stories of cards on ebay being baked ones without being honestly advertised as such by the way.

 

Thanks for answer. I have not thought about that.

I bought mine from local reseller. He ordered it from service centre and it comes with 1 year warranty.

 

You can always swap the cards if one fails of course.

 

Sure. But I am trying to figure out what position is best for the baked card in order prolong its live to the maximum.

 

Slave, since it's the thermal expansion and contraction from temp changes that weaken the solder, sitting at ~40C idle all day is better than the ups and downs of being the primary card.

 

Either way it wont make too much difference.

 

Dammit I’m getting low 90’s without oc’ing in game with fixed FPS on the 3940XM. Managed to get it down a couple of degrees taking out a wedge of foam that was pushing the heat sink up on one side but not sure what else I can do before I try messing with it...

Thoughts anyone? Currently has IC diamond, tape over fan/fins. Washers for pressure, though could do with none on one side I think...

Oh and I haven’t fully cut out the grill in the case, I just widened the holes. I suppose I could start with the back off...

Thanks! Lol.

 

Stock they do run hot, I undervolted along with overclocking on the samples I played with.

 

I should be able to undervolt with prema bios eh? Doesn’t give me the option...

Ah, have seen various script solutions for dropping turbo boost short etc... on startup.

Getting there slowly...

 

FYI for anyone planning to do insane things to their P370EM like I have, once power consumption goes above 160W per GPU and/or wall draw goes beyond 540W (whatever that translates to input reaching the laptop), there is what seems to be a current threshold that if crossed causes a throttle to 1.2ghz that needs a power supply cycle to undo.

 

Sounds about right for a system power limit considering what it shipped with.

 

Right well, at 4.4GHz now. Dropping the power max and giving the cpu some Conductonaut love seemed to have done the trick...

 

If you set values too high it can ignore them and use stock figures.

 

Separate monitoring says 4.4 at 86 deg max. Currently I have to change the power max every time I boot though.

Question: cores 4 and 1 are consistently cooler. Like 7-8 degs cooler at max. This is warped cooling plate yes? Or the thermal tape across the thingys, that’s stuck onto the cooling plate is too thick? Pushing one side of the plate up?

There’s numbers stamped into the upper side of the plate and I assumed they referred to where the cores are but that would mean 1 And 4 are on the right. Is that what the numbers refer to?

 

Screw tightening order

If you find a die shot of the ivy bridge quad the cores are aligned in a line.

As soon as I liquid metalled it, I found cores 2 and 3 are consistently higher on my P170EM approx 15-20C between cores 1 and 2, ~5C at maximum load, and that definitely has a warped heatplate, concave over the middle of the die. Was only a few C with standard paste (and core 2 was still 20C cooler at load)

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-647#post-10582821
That's how I found to fix the power limit issue (startup task running powershell script using xtu command line)