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I just saw this IndigoXtreme few days ago, I was thinking if it worth the price. I ran out of ic diamond and was thinking to get something else. however its just for CPU, do you have any suggestion for GPU?

 

I use IC Diamond and Gelid GC Extreme for GPUs. Both of them do a marvelous job.

Here are a few photos of my new beast.

Spoiler: Panther 5 (P570WM)

 

Stick with the 4930k, the extra cache the X offers does little for performance if anything at a large mark up.

 

For the average Joe this would be true. From what I can tell looking at what @johnksss and @Santander have shown us, it appears the stable overclockability of the 4960X may offer a little more headroom. Clock-for-clock performance is probably close to identical, and specs are the same except for cache, but if you can get away with a stable 4.7GHz or better with the Extreme CPU and run into a wall at lower clock speed with the K CPU, there is some merit to it. This would only be true if number chasing is the goal. If Intel did not have as much variance with binning of CPUs as they seem to of late, the Extreme CPU would offer less value. Perhaps this is by intent on Intel's part.

 

@Nino The fans are as loud as you want your overclock to be, that is if your OCing the machine it will require full fans, which is loud.

 

I figured I should install that crappy Windows 8.1 OS for Fire Strike... here is my first Fire Strike session with the Panther 5. I am very impressed with this machine's performance.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5789521

 

Why did you delete your score? I only see "Result not found" when I click the links.

 

OK, yes I see it now.

 

@Santander, VERY impressive!! that is the highest score I have seen. Can you run a cinebench?

 

@Mr. Fox, good to see you around these parts of the forum!

-Sent from my Galaxy S4-

 

I guarantee Intel is setting their binning as wide as possible due to lack of competition

 

I read that the 430k ivy, is not able to access all the PCI lanes, where as the 4960x is.......or maybe this was the 5xxk vs 5xxX series.....can't remember, can someone clarify this for me thanks....

 

both have 40 lanes, but clevo mobo didn't design to use all 40 lanes, so some are unused, or actually alot are unused.

@Meaker, does both GPU uses up pcie 2.0 x16 lanes? if so thats not bad as its pcie 3.0 x8 and available to future upgrades, seeing how Mr.fox oc the heck out of GPU lol also another thing wanna confirm is the CPU is pcie 2.0 iirc for x79 its able to do pcie 3.0 which is kinda point less.


ps. s3610 2.5" 1.6TB SSD 2.5" factor 7mm.. woot

 

@unityole, this is not what I am asking about..................did you even read the question?? I am asking about the chips that potentially effect these lanes. Please stop bouncing to the conclusion that you can reprieve your crappy decision not to purchase the best machine out there with slights that are "always" down-putting towards our platform.
Thanks

 

Since it is no longer fitting to use an Alien's head as my mascot, I figured I should look for a substitute. Here's one option.

 

I think it's very appropriate in fact!! +100 from me

 

This machine seems to do a good job at everything. This sucker just chews through games like a little kid does cotton candy...

 

I belive the equivalant of the "Extreme" AA preset in SD is 2x supersampling, which makes this even more impressive imo.

 

relax, im asking meaker about the lanes cause i wanna know. if you havent realized after posting in these forums for such along time english isnt my 1st language so i cut off a lot of stuff from my sentence. if you mistook it for other reason then i apologize, but yeah.

 

4930k is 16x/16x gen2 like the 4960x. It's only the lowest of the 5xxx series that has less pci lanes than the others.

 

ARK | Compare Intel Processors - 5960X - 4960X - 4930K

 

Just be aware while the 4xxx can do gen 3 pci-e this motherboard can not.

 

Even if it could, I'm not sure there would any benefit from it. I doubt very seriously that the available bandwidth is exhausted by 980M SLI.

 

Yes, as far as I know. But, the game is really inexpensive now. http://store.steampowered.com/app/202170/ (like $7.50 on Steam)

 

@ Meaker, thanks that's what I was looking for.

 

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_980_PCI-Express_Scaling/7.html

oh it can help in some places and that's a single card.

 

@Santander that is a sick score as well. How many seconds is your turbo set to at that voltage?

@Mr. Fox..230+ fps that's insane! Got to get some 980m's, high fps I have seen from my machine was in the 180's.

 

I'm surprised I can run those CL10 timings at 2133.

 

yes, I have tried mine many times with no success at 10's, As I understand it is limited to the weakest link/stick in the set. I have not gone thru mine to see which one/s are the weak ones as I am running the stock 1600 samsungs that came with it several years ago. If your stick are that good you might be able to lower them even more at 1866, again I have read this only, never tried it.

 

Yeah I can either run 2133mhz cl10 or 1866mhz cl9 (I've posted up my timings earlier )

 

But. that's exceptional rather than the norm. The down side is, this G.SKILL Ripjaws with single bank chips, even with those tight timings, has slower read/write and higher latency than my Vengeance RAM (2133 CL11) or my HyperX (2133 CL12). So, CL10 doesn't necessarily equal better results.

Here's another video, just for fun.

 

Did you post up the memory benchmarks, it would be cool if I could compare.

 

@Mr. Fox, just wondering if you run your CPU de-lidded perchance?

 

Sure, I will do that in just a few minutes.

No, I have not. I thought the IHS was soldered to the core on a 4930K. I would hate to ruin it.

 

Yes it is soldered so the only way to "delid" is to grind the metal down to the core and stop before you destroy the chip. Have fun with that.

 

mr fox try running 32gb at cl10 see if it works

 

Here is an old thread where I did some memory testing that some folks here in the Clevo sub-forum may not have noticed.

All Memory is Not Created Equal - HyperX 2133 CL12 versus Ripjaws 2133 CL11 versus Vengeance 2133 CL11

No thanks, LOL. I'll put up with a few extra degrees rather than ruin what seems to be a pretty sweet CPU.

Here is that memory benchmark you are waiting for. 1025.2 MaxxMEM Marks.


And, good old WinSAT memory tests...

I have the 32GB of Vengeance 2133 in the M18xR2, but my plans are to swap memory with the Panther when I get the IndigoXtreme I ordered. I will wait until then because I don't want to disturb my Liquid Ultra right now. As idiotic as it is having to remove the CPU heat sink to get that one module out may be, it is but a small gripe in the grand scheme of things.

 

@Meaker , I think your mistaken by this idea, I have seen several videos now about de-lidding soldered chips, and it involves cutting the peripheral glue around the base, followed by heating up the lid to just the right temp to cause separation, I will be attempting this with 3970x as soon as I get a new chip to replace the 3970x. (hopefully in a couple of months). My biggest concern is not melting the chip, but rather getting a de-lidded chip to line up correctly with the correct plane of contact. Anyways, I don't think it is impossible or improbable, just a bit scary on the dollars and "sense" side of things.

@Santander, thanks yes I was referring to the time windows, and that's what I was looking for. Are you using XTU to set those times? Because I have never seen in the bios options for setting fractions of seconds for power windows. If your using something else to change settings, FSB maybe? Just curious because I am trying to stay away from changing stuff via XTU.

 

@Santander , what version of xtu are you using that shows both short time window AND power time window? Does this only show up on XTU being used with IVY? Thanks

@Mr. Fox, thanks for the memory oc link that is very useful.

 

Thanks, I tried that one, it shows no turbo short time in mine....maybe a bios setting needs to be enabled?

 

Yes there is the heat idea too, good chance of killing your chip there too. There is not much to gain with a soldered setup since the heat transfer should be very good.

Good luck regardless, it seems like you know what you are risking so it's your choice.

 

Thanks I am sure luck will be needed.

 

@Meaker - how does your overclocked Samsung RAM compare to those results above?
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Chop, chop!

 

I'll check when I get home

 

The IndigoXtreme is expected for delivery on Monday. I plan to move my 32GB of Vengeance 2133 memory from the M18xR2 into the Panther at that time and use the slower 16GB G.SKILL Rip Jaws 2133 from the Panther in the M18xR2. I'm going to have to start benching with AC again. Even with Liquid Ultra my Panther is shutting itself off during benching or gaming with the CPU running at 4.5GHz. I initially thought the 980M SLI was making the screen go black and then the system shut down, but I see it does this with no GPU overclock. I am guessing the chipset or capacitors are getting too hot running 4.3 to 4.5GHz for gaming even though the CPU core itself is not reaching the thermal junction. I will try using some of my thinner Phyobya XT 7W/mk thermal pads on the other components while I have it apart for the IndigoXtreme application. Perhaps that will help.

It's amazing to have a CPU that sucks over 180W of power in a laptop, but it looks like I may have to run the CPU below 4.3GHz for normal use. I can run my 3920XM all day at 4.3 to 4.5GHz but it rarely exceeds 100W of power draw.

 

http://www.catzilla.com/showresult?lp=430827

 

Mr. Fox, I know your CPU is not the same wattage as mine, however here is a picture of XTU settings for a 4.6Ghz bench, CPU-z VID averages 1.46 Volts, hits 1.521 on the top end. This was on air only no Hydro coolers. just open access panel to thermaltech laptop cooler + full fans. These settings are rock solid for me can't get them to fail yet. I hit 220 watts with this config that is what the CPU is drawing max.

http://s1256.photobucket.com/user/Takaezo/46Ghz XTU Settings P570wm/story

 

@Takaezo - thank you for the suggestions. Everything helps and I appreciate it. I just validated at 4.6GHz. I wish Clevo had the base clock unlocked like Alienware.
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