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Speaking of RAM... I tried using my 32GB of DDR3L 2133 Vengeance RAM from my M18xR2 in this beast and it absolutely will not run at 2133. It's stuck at 1866. Tried all kinds of manual timing changes, and it's a no go for some strange reason. It either stays at 1866 or fails to POST, depending on the manual timings.

I even tweaked it with Thaiphoon Burner (lowered tCKmin a notch or two, which works on the Alienware 18 when it wants to stay stuck at 1866) but nope, nada, huh-uh... 1866 and no mas. Even tried just booting with single and dual channel (1 stick and 2 sticks). Put the slower Ripjaws 16GB 2133 back in. At least it runs 2133... but only when manually set to do so. It's won't boot automatically at 2133 with either brand of RAM.

Other than that, everything is as it should be. So glad I don't need more Liquid Ultra... wasn't looking forward to having to tone down the overclock for IC Diamond.

 

Yeah, I have read similar reports of problems with the proper 2133 ram sticks. I could not speculate why however, if I recall some people might have been successful using new Jedec codes? This subject is my weakest point as I don't understand the internal details very well. Hope someone can chime in that knows, maybe n=1 or Meaker or johnksss.

What thermal paste are you using? I thought you where going to try the new one?

 

I tried using standard SPD/Jedec profiles and that did not work either. It might just be the Vengeance RAM doesn't play nice with the mobo. Even the Ripjaws seems only partially compatible since it has to be set manually. I also find it hard to believe it is really running 2133 with timings as tight as the BIOS is saying they are.

I tried the IndigoXtreme and I could not get it to re-flow correctly. Both of the ETI pieces ended up puddling instead of flowing evenly. I followed the instructions precisely and watched several videos. I had the laptop level and everything. but it still ended up not working well. It may be that the heat sink pressure is not high enough. If it would have flowed evenly, I am confident it would have been amazing. I was impressed with the film I peeled off the CPU. I should have take a photo, but it went out to the curb for garbage pickup this morning.

At $22 a whack, it's too expensive to "practice" until I can figure out how to get it perfect or get lucky trying. The IndigoXtreme system itself is pretty stinking impressive. The reviews and videos indicate I'm not alone with it not turning out right. Seems to be hit or miss, but always excellent when the re-flow occurs the way it is supposed to. I'm bummed out, not about the $22, but I really wanted it to work.

 

Yes, I was expecting a result at least, sucks that you cant figure what the "cause" of the reflow failure was, I was hoping for a result from you as well, just for kicks. Oh well.

If it was me who had the problem with the ram, I would be calling the manufacturer and giving them an earful about their ram not working, and even the reseller. Seems that is also false advertising as it has said 2133 compatible from the beginning.

lol
I suppose I could claim that my laptop can run on nuclear fission too, because no one has "disproven" this concept yet. Kinda pisses me off that they are so remiss in these claims.

edit: Checking the eurocom site they are offering vengeance 2133 as an option, sooooo should be able to get it to work

Are you still using the prema v5 OR did you go to the svl7 bios that people are talking about....where does that slv7 bios come from anyway been trying to find it to test it out? I thought that svl7 and prema worked together on the bios's?

Edit: sorry about the confusion wi the "bios" svl7's vbios, I misread as bios..............

 

It's not the RAM's fault. It works flawlessly in the M18xR2. I've been running it in that machine for a year without issues. It boots at 2133 CL11 without adjusting anything in the BIOS.

 

so I think personally that its those Jedec codes, they are probably loaded during build, and they use the highest ones available at the time, ie 1866 at the time your s was built, I would call kevin honeyman at eurocom and ask him what the issue is, especially since that is being offered now.

 

Sorry if I am dense, but I am not following you. The P570WM is only about 5 or 6 months old. Where would they load this? A BIOS update?

 

Are you running the latest prema bios?

 

Yes, as far as I know. Version 1.03.07PM v5 dated 01/03/2015. http://i.imgur.com/lzPSK6B.jpg

@ Takaezo - I did not know that svl7 had a Clevo BIOS mod.

 

Then it's nothing like that I think, what sort of timings can you get from 1866mhz?

 

Maybe I am confused, didn't Santander 's post that his bench (62K) was with a svl7 bios? Yes I mean I think it is firmware, sounds like Meaker is on the ball for this.

Edit: sorry about the confusion wi the "bios" svl7's vbios, I misread as bios..............

 

I purchased my P570wm in Dec. 2012.......you mean your specific machine is only 5 or 6 months old?

 

I haven't had time to check with the Ripjaws timing yet. I put the Vengeance back in the M18xR2 since I could not get it to run above 1866 in the Panther. I am kind of half-way suspicious the timings being displayed from the BIOS are not accurate. The G.SKILL Ripjaws timings are identical at 1866 and 2133, 10-10-10-31 1T. When I put the Vengeance in, the timings never changed with the BIOS set to Automatic. While CL10 and 1T at 2133 is really good, the memory benchmarks seem low for those speeds. The Vengeance benchmarks are much better at 2133 CL11 2T. Maybe a re-flash of the BIOS would do something.

Yes, I bought it from ssj92 and its 1 year warranty is good until November if I remember correctly... or was that August? Something like that.

Oh, you're talking about the vBIOS, not system BIOS. Yes, svl7 is famous for that for all brands/models.

 

sorry about the confusion wi the "bios" svl7's vbios, I misread as bios..............

 

No problem. After leaving those two wires disconnected, I dare not criticize anyone today, LOL.

 

lmao........seriously, that the first time I've felt obligated to modify my previous posts because of the confusion caused by a simple miss read word in a single post.... edit, edit ,edit....

 

Lol at least the fix was easy Mr. Fox. And yes November 2014 was when I had purchased it.

 

Hey at least it was not an acer that requires a total teardown down to get to the cpu fan.

 

P570WM is a couple years old, Mr. Fox. It was out since the EM series as far as I remember. It was only recently "recontinued" when X99 apparently didn't pan out for Clevo in laptops, after being discontinued.

 

Yea I want to say that it was almost two years ago I was trying to decide between the P570WM and a desktop. I got niether. Lol one day.... Busy getting a house at the moment.

-Sent from my Galaxy S4-

 

It was and continues to be discontinued by sager (np9570) Clevo have not stopped producing it however for other people.

 

They did, at one point. It was entirely removed from their website for three months, then magically reappeared one day (though Eurocom never stopped selling it).

 

I can't see it listed myself, do you have a link?

 

recontinued eh, means a chance for a shot at broadwell. right now broadwell-k doesn't look too good at high clocks though, plus x99 chipset is terrible for storage.

takeezo, how do you get your ram to work at 4x8 2133mhz?

 

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_pro.asp?lang=en
Right there on the left side; all their current models. It was off that list for a couple months.

 

The question was how old my machine was, not when it was first released. I have been somewhat following its progress since it was first released. You can buy a brand new one from Eurocom.

This model has been updated several times since it was first released. Until Ivy Bridge-E CPUs came out as an option, this was a machine to avoid for most people. In most benchmarks (other than CPU only benchmarks) my M18xR2 matched or beat its performance before the Ivy Bridge-E update. @Clevorr ended up selling his and buying an Alienware 18. But, now everything has changed for the better.

 

I just use Prema's bios v5, and there is a performance memory tab, and I just set it to manual, select 2133 with the timings that comes with that in that bios as default. I have not been able to successfully change the timings thou, but have seen throu cpu-z HWmonitor that it is running at 2133. also show 2133 in XTU.

 

^^^that is how the G.SKILL runs at 2133 also. It's just weird that the Vengeance refuses to do so.

 

No, both are 1.35V memory.

 

technically that model shouldn't need 1.35v memory... as far as I remember only Haswell mobile required DDR3L. Have you tried applying extra voltage to the sticks Mr. Fox? The board should be capable of taking 1.5v officially supported. I just think laptop memory is no longer made in non-DDR3L standards.

 

The P570WM BIOS has no adjustments for memory voltage. I've rim memory overclocked with 1.65V in the M18xR1 and R2 for years. I'm surprised there is no way to adjust it on this beast. The BIOS options are pretty slim compared to an Alienware unlocked BIOS. There's a bunch of stuff missing on the Clevo.

 

That is extremely odd considering you're using Prema's BIOS on it. Always thought that had a whole lot of unlocked options.

Also, yes, Alienware's unlocked BIOS has many many many more options. I always knew that one, but I thought Prema's BIOS just had more than you seem to have XD. Such as the bclk option.

 

There is also no BCLK option in the Clevo BIOS. If there is, I cannot find it. Also nothing for CPU thermal configuration, QPI/Cache ratio or CPU input voltage.

I think Prema gave us every option that exists, but it appears the BIOS itself doesn't have much to offer in the way features.

 

yep, probably just clevo bios not spending enough time on it

 

Yes, or until they stop being liars and Nazis, trying to control what we can do with our personal property. Somebody at NVIDIA, or a group of somebodies, deserves to receive a few severe blows to the skull with a ball peen hammer.

 

Well there is always a class action lawsuit, it worked for the consumers of cellphones, for which they must unlock or jailbreak on request. It is your property, you bought it, you should be eligible to receive all functionality and uses available. I believe this is what the Court said about them locking all the phones down from the beginning.

On another note: The Fresco Logic USB 3.0 x 3 port ExpressCard Adapter I bought last month, produces speeds of 150MB/s read and write speeds +/- 10MB/s, just tested it out with UsbFlashSpeed.com, (same on all 3 ports)

And if Nvidia thinks they can control the users they are insane, because there are people out there turning 680m's into tegra's. or at least making them read like one, for the purpose of unlocking those features. I have seen the posts and tutorials. Necessity and its inevitable outcome to produce invention/innovation, trumps all the code in the world. IMHO

 

Although I am using the k5000m GPU, I am updated to 347.25 driver, and can over clock seemingly fine. Although I am running a .rom modified vbios as well that enables OCing on K5000m.
Cant someone just unlock it with the nVflash/vbios editor tool.........or is that what they have locked down?

Mr. Fox, thanks for the petition link, hope everyone signs that.

 

Yes kepler gpus are fine, they are not impacted.

 

I just gave them an earful at NVIDIA forums previously referenced. I don't think they have a clue as to the power of the modern consumer, I mean I still get checks about every 6 months from the class action brought against Sprint three years ago. I mean how many people with GTX m series cards wouldn't jump to a class action suit against this crap. There is no way in H-E-L-L, that OCing was enabled by a bug or accident, what a pile of crap. There are hundreds of ambulance chasing lawyers out there that just LOVE this kind of stuff, makes them millions of dollars every year.

 

I think there may be engineering defects in Maxwell that they are try to guard against discovery by blocking overclocking. Then they can take a position that "you're not supposed to be overclocking, because that is against our policy" instead of addressing the issue.

 

Wow, ya'll finally got around to answering/asking about the ram even though I've been asking for a month. Gee thanks. Now that I finally decided to go buy the 2133 ram and find out the same thing and now I got to send it back for some 1866s, tsk tsk tsk.

I asked that before to that person. The answer was "4gb sticks are only supported for that speed, not 8". Except for at the time, it was 1866 ram I was asking about.


First time black screen. 2nd time, windows log in screen crash. 3rd time, got in but crashed as soon as I tried to load 3Dmark. 4th time, 3Dmark benches kept skipping to the next bench and eventually bluescreen after testing gpu overclock that I've already tested before to have stable clocks. Each time, the system kept automatically lowering the ram clock settings. Ram experts ran out of 1866 c10s (the type that is choosable when building laptop on eurocom site) so Imma have to wait til they refill so that I can test. I'm not buying 1866 c10 for 170 elsewhere, that's for sure.

I mean if 32gb of 1600 c9 ram can get me a 7.9 memory wei then I'm fine with that. But no one knows if the amount will give me a 7.9 in wei without upping the memory type and the 1866 will be the last blind buy I will do. I know that 1866 will give 7.9 though regardless of how much but don't know the compatibility for this machine.

 

It will start to get more and more picky as speeds go up but it should be possible.

 

I know. I just said that I looked on the site of what it is supposed to support.
I already did. They said that if someone ordered it, they would tell them if it's supported or not and would advise them to compatible ram. Makes no sense, I know. But that's what they said. If you don't want to have nightmares and wouldnt want high blood pressure, emailing that link would not be advised.

"7.9 memory in windows easy with 1600 sticks"
How? I only get 7.8 with em.

 

Okay. And I can take a pic with mine saying 7.8.And so can Fox. Why? Are you with 32gb or just 16? What brand? Corsair Vengeance C9 1600 here of 16gb.
Ay, it took me 2 months basically before I could even use this thing with questionable pricing/charges. That's all I'mma say bout that because they monitor these forums and do lash out...
But that's not the subject here. It's the ram.

 

If you run the wei bandwidth through cmd window what bandwidth do you get?

 

Stop with the cussin' y'all. Had to edit and delete some posts. Be creative with your retorts. And try to stay calm.

 

I think this is the right thing I'm looking at here. Let me know if it isn't:
<MemoryMetrics><Bandwidth units="MB/s">20697.79334</Bandwidth></MemoryMetrics>

 

That's half of mine I believe.

 

Is that something I can change/make better or is that one of those things I can't influence? The score on my p370sm3 is the same for memory with a different set but same type and brand of 1600s.

 

doesnt clevo have option in bios to change pcie 2.0 for express card slot? if it has it then you can do more than 300 MB/s