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Well damn. Now it all makes sense! You should have just said you were going to buy one.

The reason for the xeon is because there are no unlocked 8C regular cpus for this.

 

thats exactly it lol. i found parts from eurocom they still new so i guess theres still hope for me to get on it b4 its too late. i have to look for new xeons though, not used, those usually not binned well.

 

Not exactly true. Allot of these said chips are legit system pulls.....

 

yea, i mean ivy xeon are almost 5 yrs old so i'd be surprised if they are really "new". my expectation isnt that high anyway i'd prob end up getting an average chip my luck isnt the best.

 

There may be a few boxes around but yes mostly they will be pulls and 5 years for servers is around the time they start getting replaced.

 

Well... there was a new chip for sale, but I wasn't going to pay 1800.00 for it. Maybe for a desktop board but not for a locked laptop board.

 

Yeah, I would think that is a hard price to really rationalize doing the upgrade. Not a bad idea at all to look for used ones though...

 

almost no point now cause broadwell-E will be out soon with 8 possible 10 core cpu. any decent binned chip can OC to 4.4-4.5 would beat 1680 v2 in most area.

an average chip could probably net a 4.3ghz oc capability with decent voltage, yea new one 8c would be tough. if i go for 8c it'll be used, 6c i could try for a new one and bet my luck on it.

 

Not if paired with EVGA Precision X!

 

Oh excuse me! I just wanted it to say the other way around: W10 + EVGA PX will most likely brick your Sager! To be more precisely: EVGA will brick your Sager regardless of the OS you're sporting.

I am sporting W10 on mine since half a year and it hadn't been giving me headaches yet. I am running the eDP 120Hz (screen) variant.

 

@CaerCadarn , OS doesn't matter the EVGA precision is not playing nicely with screen EDID's. Just recovered mine several days ago from this issue.

 

heh broadwell-E gonna be out in june/july, hope to see clevo do something with it. how long since p870dm was released?

 

prob a bit late asking this, does this bios come with the OROM paired with x79 capable of raid 0 trim?

 

Not if it was a golden cpu.

That all remains to be seen. I'll just keep holding on to what I got for now. The only thing faster in terms of bot points is 980 sli And that only breaks down to like 4 or 5 fps....Big maybe there...

Yes. If you have the 60hz screen. No if you run the 120hz screen. On my clevo it seems to overclock the screen to 160hz and i can't get into windows like that. I have to plug in a hdmi cable and then my laptop screen shows up. Then i delete the over clocked screen resolution and then unplug the hdmi cable and all is well.

Same here. Just recovered a M18XR2 two weeks ago.

 

so if windows 10 without using this evga precision thing then EDID won't brick? or its something to do with 60hz display?

yep golden cpu would be worth it, since i only got reference of haswell-E, seems 4.5ghz at 1.36v is average so xeon should at least be around there. of course ivy and haswell are different so comparison isnt exactly accurate. imagine get 8c 45x at just 1.25v that would be sick.

 

It's something to do with evga. And it usually kicks in after a hard crash. Evga can over clock the lcd/led, but when it crashes. It looks like it defaults high instead of low. In my case, it's 160 to 168hz. My screen will only do 143hz. On the M18XR2, I think it corrupts the edid because it can't write the new values in time to take. So that corrupts and wipes out the data stored And you get the no boot or 8 beep screen.

Yeah, that voltage things means nothing to me really. My laptop sits on ac so i tend not even care about that as much. As long as it gets the numbers im looking for, im good. I'm not at every coffee shop or customers location bragging about how fast my cpu is running....Besides, I don't think they would care to hear that every day.

 

naw bro i still like the portability, even if i have to make a TEC cooler myself and carry it . so from my understanding, as long as chip is capable of going higher, voltage dont matter much? 1.5v seems too much. i'd want the voltage to stay low so i can have it clocked high constantly.

 

I don't think you understand how laptop voltage vs desktop voltage works. And you will never make it over 1.52V. And really lucky to get to 1.5V. It is hard coded i think. To keep us from burning up these chips. They also lock at their perspective temp max and just sit there. So example: if the max tcase is 85C that makes each core about 100C to 105C. So the chip will just sit there throttling up a storm because you are at it's internal max setting. I have done this a few times to see what would happen. And the chip was fine. The first few times I did not do it intentionally. I left and then cam home to find my system had bsod. And it had been sitting there at max temp for about 2 hours. I restarted the system and the chip ran perfectly fine. When done on the earlier amd chips...This would be a wrap. Chip would be dead. Not sure about current models.

A tec cooler? Have you even ran anything under 0 degree temps before?

 

Yeah the micro controllers they are using to control the supply these days have all sorts of extra protection mechanisms in them and then in the core itself there is more of course, the chips are more aware of their draw than ever.

 

when i say damage chip, i mean in the long run, in a shorter period of time. a lot of these intel chips are pretty well made and i wouldnt be surprised they would still work after a bsod or overheating once they are made to protect themselves.

no, never run at 0C, but always good to learn how it works and how to make one.

 

Hummm....I don't think you will be able to tell if you damage a chip in the "long run" You are not running anything out of the chip's operating parameter while in a laptop. As a matter of record, I don't even think anyone has actually burned up an intel cpu in a laptop. Water damage and bent pins do not count since that would be due to user error.

I have a water chiller down to 0C /phase change unit down to -50C/ Dry ice pot down to -78C and an ln2 pot down to -200C. No tec's since it was more of a hassle than a benefit.
And with that....there is allot to learn....

 

If you ran it constantly over 2 years at extreme conditions it's a risk yes, but most CPUs will survive fairly harsh shoot term treatment. I would be more worried for the power circuitry.

 

just got a new chip for 1680v2, donno how "new" it is see if its well binned when i receive it... i took it apart to do some cleaning, holy smoke the cpu heatsink is HUGE compared to m18x r2 lol. btw the middle fan for cpu has its connector to mobo how come cpu heatsink also have a 2 pin connector to mobo? is that for temp reading?

 

i wouldnt go to 0C that in my mind is more trouble to deal with possible condensation. i only needed to have air intake to be say, 10-15c cooler than ambient and stay well above say 10-15c room temp. if i manage to get TEC integrated into a laptop cooler, successfully cooling the air prior going into bottom vents, then it's a success and i can take it anywhere i go. the hassle is at the beginning getting rid of heat and building it but after wards i can keep using it and just replace and resolder parts u know what i mean?

when u run ur benches with AC, what temperature do u set it for your intake.

 

Temp wire.

I set mine to it's lowest setting and that's it.

 

Yeah it's reading the temperature of the heatsink. Also it is a beast but it does have to cool a hungry CPU

 

heh if theres a way to manipulate those reading make it seem higher than it actually is, then temp wouldnt be so high and fan turn on so much later. the auto fan control is terrible lol, i think its still better than m18x though.

 

Hi guys, sorry to jump in middle of discussion. new issue with my laptop.
it happened this morning, it suddenly started to beep and Caps and numlock LEDs were blinking with the beep and it powered down automatically.
Whenever I turn on the notebook, in windows or bios screen, it happens after a minute(Beeps and blinks)
Temperature is Ok, like always around 50 degree Celsius for cpu and less for gpus.
all the parts are functioning normally, all the USB ports ok, just tested in windows before laptop turns off.
and I removed and put back the cmos battery, VGAs, Ram, hdds, wifi, no change at all.
Still beeps and turns off after a minute.
Do you know what caused the problem?

 

You may need to pull your vga cards and test them independently. Sounds like a temp senor is not being read......

 

yea i'd say just try running it with onboard vga see if it still turns off.

 

so apparently i did some tests and finally had time to play around with p570wm. i found out awhile back when i first tested his laptop that cstate couldnt be turned off and cpu would throttle hard at 90c and no way to change it, and USB3.0 performance would cap at around 160MB/s even though my USB device could go beyond that (on a fresh install of windows, with or without USB 3.0 driver from clevo). that is until i port my m18x r2 alienware image to it via reflect macrium..

i removed all hardware drivers on m18x r2 at least the ones not installed by windoe on default, made a backup, install it on p570wm just so i wouldnt lose all my settings, tweaks/files and shortcuts and then install drivers etc now all seem to work. found out i can now toggle cstate on/off with throttlestop because it all ends with window power management registry tweak. also somehow my usb 3.0 speed is now at around 270MB/s.. @Takaezo

 

Might have been a driver conflict for USB3 as it does use a third party device IIRC.

 

since im using win8/server 2012, it auto picks up and install driver for m18x r2. that driver gets carried over to p570wm hence its faster.. lol

 

I've the reading on both VGAs temp in HWINFO, both around 40 degree.

P570 doesn't have onboard vga, at least mine doesn't have.

is it possible a faulty fan caused the problem? is P570 works with one fan missing?
I think it should be Ok even without a fan. @Takaezo already took off all of his laptop's fans.

 

it doesnt? i thought Microsoft graphic adapter is what that is in device manager prior to installing graphics driver. since HEDT cpu prior to skylake doesn't have integrated GPU i thought for sure theres onboard graphics otherwise it shouldnt even boot into windows.

 

That generic driver is running off the dedicated GPU, it's just a standard no frills interface to work on all cards.

No X series socket has integrated VGA.

 

what they are saying might put iGPU with xeons starting skylake. so we'll prob see that soon with HEDT too

 

I wonder if it will be on core or not as the die for the 24 core CPU is already pretty huge.

 

in the end they'll all share the same IHS, but prob better on a different die

 

@Meaker@Sager @Prema hey guys i know i brought this up few times b4, prema stated the 64GB project is dead because of MRC code or something missing from intel so not doable. is that a chipset issue or cpu?. chipset should be the same as all other desktop mobo, and what if we use xeon, would that matter?

 

It's an issue with the memory controller which all the CPUs share.

 

@johnksss do u know if that wifi AC card 1300mbps, does it have capability to transfer files between laptop? or just internet and bluetooth. it be awesome if its capable of doing that.

 

I don't think I understand the question....

If you mean... Can I send and receive files between computers on my network. Then yes.
Will it download from the internet....Yes.
CAn it be used as an access point for other machines.... Yes.

 

Most internet is usually piped through a router and any computer connected to it will be able to share files with the right security settings.

 

let me reword that a bit. i meant if two notebook have the same wifi card, can they connect to each other without the modem and capable of transfering files wirelessly, does this wifi card have that capability.

in wired connection, it would be ethernet to ethernet connection between two laptop.

 

Yes.
Both ports should support this connection. IF they did not. Then you would need a crossover cable or a switch. I think allot of the newer computers do though.

 

time to buy two then . less wire the better!

@johnksss thought i'd ask this saw it in ur sig. 4 PSU on p570wm and two converter. if you dont use all that power i'd assume the draw/load on each PSU is 1/4th of what machine would actually need. would this make your PSU last longer?

 

PSU last longer? In the same manner... like 2 is better than one . But maybe a little overkill with 4x330w if you don't run bench all day

 

That is 3 converters to be correct, but i found that I don't even need the extra two. This machine was pulling far to many wasted watts just to see what i could get it to pull. Max was 912W. Now that I toned it all down, max is around 745W with better results.
This machine runs fine on one psu if you do not over clock. You need to have 2 to have a 90 percent overclock experience and 3 for a full one 100 percent. The 4th is just to balance out the power and converters.

Thought I needed them at first, but now i just run them since they are there. And now if I take my laptop i have two to take on the road.

 

i guess that would be a benefit of having two sets.