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You can overclock a Xeon chip? That's a bad a** processor as is, but I didn't know it could be overclocked.

 

Here's a benchmark by @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER with the P570WM rocking a Xeon E5-1680 at 4.5GHz. Check out the Physics and Combined test scores. Sure would be awesome if 1080 SLI could be used in that beast. Pretty amazing in spite of the fact that 980M SLI really puts a cork in it.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11476912


But, 980M SLI still beats a single 1070 on the graphics scores by ~10% or so. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/12278609/3dm11/11476912

 

WTH! don't know why but I always thought those chips were locked down and couldn't be overclocked, I guess they can. JohnKsss seems to know how to squeeze every little bit out of his rigs.

 

@Mr. Fox I see Trómos. In the signature. Is that a benching rig?

 

It will be. I am hoping it will ship by tomorrow. The first 1080 Ti was out of stock and caused a delay, otherwise it would already be here. The EVGA GPU water cooler I ordered from B&H Photo will be here tomorrow.

 

So basically if things change year to year. (like they have been) You'll, at most, need to swap out a motherboard and processor. Everything else will work, ram, PSU etc.

 

Right. Or GPU. No problems proprietary parts, or issues with fit and form factors. Plus, every time I make a hardware change it will generally be for less money and rack up more points on HWBOT.org. That said, I'm going to cool my jets on spending for a long time. That will be a healthy rig, but didn't break the bank. My CPU upgrades in the future will likely be with used parts that I can buy for 25 to 50 cents on the original dollar.

 

I'm thinking this is going to be a trend with more and more people. I'm seeing some of the old school laptop guys saying "the DM3 will be my last notebook" and you're right, you won't break the bank with a bench rig. I've seen some notebook systems on NBR sites that are worth almost 13k. Keep me informed with progress. Have a good night

 

16XX can be overclocked but 26XX cannot. I had a 2680 v2 in my P570WM and everything including memory speed was locked.

 

Right. The 16XX v2 series is unlocked, and as Mr. Fox pointed out, Johnksss tweaked it in the P570WM to a fare thee well! In fact, I remember that I was looking at a chip that was for sale on one of those electronic buying sites some time ago but it got bought from under me, and shortly thereafter Johnksss had it up and running in his rig! Kpaxx (don't know if he is around here anymore) and I messaged each other a few times about getting one ourselves - I think he did, and I decided on the 2696 v2 because I needed the cores.

But since my 2696 v2 is now dead (I'm thinking it was due to my misapplication of a liquid metal TIM - the chip worked great for quite some time, then after it died I saw globs of the stuff around the edges of the CPU. I'm wondering if maybe it got into the hole on the IHS and mucked the thing up, or if it shorted something on the chip some other way), and since I want better single core performance than I had (although multicore performance is still a priority for me) I decided to grab a 1680 v2 and see what I can do to tweak it...but I'm just not sure what Prema BIOS/XTU/Thottlestop settings others have found to be worth trying, and I'm not sure if there is a way to undervolt the chip, which I would be interested in doing.

One of the things I have noticed is that when I set multipliers in XTU they don't seem to take correctly, and the higher I go the worse my Cinebench R15 CPU scores get...go figure...

 

Sometimes with a locked CPU the multipliers can clamp down if you try and raise them.

 

Thanks Meaker, I get that...but this is an unlocked Xeon. There are numerous succes stories on the Internt from users who used this CPU in desktop boards, but I'm wondering about how well it will work in this laptop...

So...I decided to take the GSkill DDR3L 2133 memory out of my Dell M6600 and pair it with the 1680 v2...seems the CPU doesn't like it very much. Can boot and use 24Gb, but not 32Gb...and going from BIOS to Windows is painfully slow, shutdoowns are long, etc. Trying to boot with 32Gb gives "bad pool header", and some memory tests fail.

Checked out some old Eurocom configs from back when this system was available, and so I'm going to get 32Gb of HyperX memory @ 1866, and see what happens...

If anyone who ran a 1680 v2 in this laptop had luck with some other memory/setups, please give me a shout.

 

Xeons are usually rated to slower memory speeds than the desktops and 2133mhz could be a struggle for them.

 

Right...seems the spec sheet for the 1680 v2 shows a max of 1866. I was hoping the GSkill would downclock sufficiently - and the BIOS is showing 1867 with 10-10-10-27 timings...but apparently something is amiss. I'll try the HyperX 1866 and see what happens - I've been told Kingston RAM generaly works well in these laptops.

 

There was a set of samsung 4GB sticks that did well too buy they were hard to come by and limited capacity.

 

We are looking for some P570WM or P570WM3 systems. Let us know if anybody wants to sell it. Use PM To contact.

 

Because, Overclocking is 100% compatible with this motherboard. Your scores got worse because the higher you try to overclock, the hard the power limit is hit and thus making the scores worse. If you want something like a 4.6ghz overclock you would need to see the multies to something like 4.9 or 5.0 ghz and then the multiplier will settle a little higher. Depending on the temps. You can not just set 4.6 and have it run that. It will drop to like 4.5 or even lower at times. (If memory serves me right)

Side note: Meaker is also right about 4GB samsung's. They work and over clock in this machine as well. 4GB 1600Mhz chips only.

 

I could be interested, Made a pm

 

wow what a workaround, but thats terrible temp will sky rocket. is this an issue only with p570wm power limit?

btw donno if you seen this issue john and this not only apply to p570wm ive seen it in m2010 machine as well. say i do a 4.3ghz overclock and hwinfo will show 4300mhz max on all 6 cores no matter what, as this is intended and normal.

however after i leave machine on for several hours and check back, i see the max frequency is all over the place like anything over 4.3 up to 6 or even 7 ghz and those are just 1 core but all cores have weird max frequency, all different too. i know this is obviously wrong but something causing the reading to screw up, any idea?

 

I would talk to the program developers about that.

 

That is a little different. Those are spikes (glitches). Not something the machine can actually run and can cause all sorts of problems. System flips out and starts doing weird things. Same thing with temp spikes. No way it can reach 120C but yet it spikes and the system thermal shuts off.

The way the P570WM 3 is coded so that you only can use a certain amount of "real" watts and amps (Those are hard coded in the P570WM so no getting around it.). And once that threshold is met, the system starts to lower the overclock. Not like say 4.3 to a direct 4.2...but more like 4.3 to 4.289 to 4.275 to 4.245 to 4.200 over time.(if the temps stay within range, it will hold, but once they start to rise...you start losing. And we are not talking about really high temps either....It's a combination of temps to rated watts and amps) It can't hold the setting so it just lowers itself. So now you are trying to trick the system into thinking you have 5.0 to 6.3 ghz set to get a 4.7 ghz overclock to attempt to hold. Bottom line, the P570WM needs to be tricked to get it to run right. LOL
Or better yet.. Overclock higher.

 

If you're still looking, I PM you about the 570WM

 

Thanks Meaker. It seems that my system doesn't like the HyperX 1866 modules. It won't even boot with 4 installed, and with three installed it goes through some weird loop where it tries to boot, fails, retries, etc., then I have to manually shut it down and restart, and *poof*!, it boots. I ran the Win10 memtest, and errors are found....so thinking I have to go back to 1600, and I wouldn't mind trying the Samsung (if they are still around).

 

XEON E5 26xx CPUs are limited to DDR3-1600 speed so you won't get DDR3-1866 or 2133 working unless you change the CPU to i7 class.

 

Xeon v2 @2400Mhz:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11476912

 

Right, and when I was running a 2696 v2 I was running 1600 without problems...but I'm running a 1680 v2 now, and the specs state that it can handle 1333, 1600, and 1866, but it seems to be having trouble with the 1866?!

 

Ah Yes!! Johnksss' old P570WM...he had the ram cranked up high using Thaiphoon IIRC! But again, that was a 1680 v2, not a 26XX v2 (I know you know that...just clarifying...).

Prema, I would love to know what settings I should use in your bios in order to overclock my 1680 v2...any suggestions?

 

I only made the BIOS to do so, for specific user settings better ask people that actually owned such a system:

@Mr. Fox
@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER
@Meaker@Sager
@Trafficante
@SFVogt

 

For ram I was a lucky guy and had 4x4GB samsungs and ran 2133mhz CL10

 

I had the RAM running 2400 and so did John, but only with a special SPD with a custom XMP profile. There was no way to tune that correctly in the BIOS. I had 4930K and 4960X. @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER and @Trafficante had Xeon, so you would have to get some tips from them. IIRC overclocking the Xeon was substantially different than 4960X.

 

One of the things I found (and I do not have access to the machine at this moment), is that there are six multiplier settings in the bios (not sure why 8 do not show up, since I have an 8 core processor), and even though I set them all to 40x and save the settings, they always seem to revert back to 39x, 38x, 37x, 36x, 35x, 34x when I go back in after running Win10 and then rebooting?

 

It's different silicon so that does not surprise me too much.

 

Basing it on what I remember them saying, I think you have to use XTU for that reason.

 

Hmmm...I make the 40x settings in XTU as well...which also only shows 6 multipliers. I may have lost the silicon lottery, however, because when I got to 42x I get a shutdown...then again, the ram problem may be partly responsible...

 

It will only show 6. So when setting multi 6 it controls 6/7&8.


Side Note.
Also..... Most of this stuff can not just be done on the fly without @Prema. So if you do not have the correct revision a lot of times certain things will not work no matter how hard you try. So also keep this in mind.

 

I am running Bios 1.03.07PM v5 and EC 1.03.03....?

 

I had a 2680v2, highest I was able to run ram was 1866Mhz. It was 2133Mhz ram. Although I didn't try doing anything in typhoon burner.

 

To be fair with the quad channel you should be focusing on overall latency rather than bandwidth as you have a lot.

 

Hmmm...I can't help but wonder...WHY are you looking for these old, antiquated, outdated systems? Surely there can't be a market for them...or for a TRUE successor (which the Sky X9C, X9E3, etc., are NOT)...???????

 

Hmmm...I may have forgotten something basic here. I'm using some XTU profiles that I downloaded and making adjustments...but regardless of any of that, am I going to need another power brick to pull off going beyond 40x?

 

You have 2x 330W now?

 

Nope...just 1....

 

With 780m in SLI? Yeah I would not have SLI on right now.

 

Right...I need to change that signature info...I uninstalled one of the cards weeks ago. I don't game, so I really had no use for it except as a backup, and I figured I would save on power and reduce heat.

Nice catch, though!

I'm not trying to set world records or anything. I am looking for a reasonable 24/7 overclock, and I get the sense that there is a bit more to be had than 40x.

 

Get a Kill-a-watt meter, see if you are riding the edge.

Remember the brick is rated to deliver 330W so will draw more from the wall to compensate for brick losses. So expect at least 360W from the wall for a maxed one.

 

probably for compatibility test of the newer graphics card

 

It's amazing that they would care about that on a discontinued system. I'd prefer that it was because they have a Threadripper or Skylake-X motherboard that they want to pry into the chassis!

 

i agree on the skylake-x, the mesh of that cpu is a kill joy tho

but to respond on the old system, more options in laptop for upgrades, more gpu upgrade kit they sell, its a good thing imo. many of us not ready to give up p570wm because the 6-8 cores cpu we've got.

 

...and 10...and 12...!! Which is why - don't expect me to get excited over 6-core Coffeelake

 

im on 8c at 4.2ghz, too bad other xeons arent overclockable unless someone cracks it with microcode update.

i wish theres cpu heatsink thats for 3 fans for p570wm lol, have no need for 2nd GPU since its not bootable from slave GPU slot.