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Unfortunate, so many people wanting full speed TB3 connections because of e-GPUs will be disappointed.

 

It's an easier pill to swallow with a nice internal gpu

 

Agreed, I didn't mean to count myself among the disappointed, I prefer a high performance internal GPU to the idea of having to dock for it.

 

I would suggest the Killer 1535ac but people say the 8260ac from Intel is better and has no drops.. I have the 1525ac and honestly it's been a solid card and rock stable connections..

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So, it turns out ALL of the P700/P800 spec pages also lost their Thunderbolt3 spec and just listed 2x USB 3.1 Type-C. However, from the P870DM3 manual it was confirmed that both ports were indeed Thunderbolt.

So this brings us to an interesting situation for the New P600 series.

1. They are indeed Thunderbolt 3 but are waiting on Intel's official certification. MSI had a similar situation where their GS range couldn't officially advertise Thunderbolt 3 for months until they received certification. Instead they were only marketed as "Super Ports".
2. The P700/P800 are getting Thunderbolt 3 but aren't listed because of above reason AND the P600 are simply going to be stuck with USB3.1 Type-C only.

I guess time will tell.

 

- P7/P8 are TB3
- P6 are USB 3.1 type-C (no TB3)

 

Hey so with your bios and vbios on a P650RS-G will the 200W power supply be enough? If not do you (or anyone else) know what you can do to get a larger psu? I'm planning on getting a 6820hk and OCing it and the 1070.

 

Well looks like I mayaswell wait for one of the new P650RS-G notebooks to be released down here in Aus. Especially if the price is not all that diff (Let's hope that this is not the case).

 

200W isn't the default PSU for that model...

 

Ok phew, avadirect was selling a 200W extra so I thought that was the default. Thanks Prema!

 

I was wandering how is it possible that ava already sells a model (new P650) that is not even listed on the clevo website yet

 

I think this is probably the right place to post this. A couple of months ago I almost bought a P650RG from XOTIC, but decided to wait. Now it seems P650RS-G with GTX 1070 is around the corner and I am pretty sure I will buy it when it comes out. But I need some help configuring it from folks like you who know the details about it.

As I understand it a 4K display is pretty much pointless on a 15 inch laptop with a 1070. The graphics card is not going to be able to run games smoothly at 4K and on a 15 inch screen you can't tell much of a difference anyways. Is this right?

16GB of RAM is recommended for gaming laptops as I understand, and XOTIC has two options: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2133MHz and 16GB DDR4 2400MHz [1x16GB]. I understand the second one is a little faster, but what does that mean in practical terms? Worth the $15?

I would like an SSD that is about 250GB and here there are a lot of options. 256GB SanDisk X400 M.2 SSD, 250GB Samsung 850 EVO M.2 SSD, 256GB OCZ RD400 NVMe M.2 SSD, 256GB Samsung 950Pro NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD. The difference is as much as $130 so it seems like they are substantially different from one another, but I do not know what the differences are. Any help?

My inclination is to get a 1TB hard drive as the second drive, but let me know if this is a bad idea. There are a couple of options: 1TB 7200RPM [SATA II - 3GB/s] and 1TB 5400RPM (w/ 8GB SSD Memory) Seagate Hybrid 64MB Cache. The difference is $50, so it's not like it's a lot of money, but I want to know what the differences are before I decide.

For the wireless I have seen people suggest Intel over Killer. I do not game online very much at all, if that makes a difference.

There is an option for a Bluetooth adapter. Does this mean that if I do not pick it the laptop won't have bluetooth at all and I won't be able to use my bluetooth mouse?

There are also Raid options. I do not know what those are and a PCMag article didn't shed a lot of light tbh. I would appreciate a basic explanation.

Also if there is anything else I need to know about the laptop before I buy it, let me know!

 

You look like you're on the right track. It's a matter of opinion on 4K and 15 inch screens but I happen to agree with it, 4K is pointless with smaller screens.
Amount of RAM is going to affect speeds more than frequency, so unless you're chasing benchmark numbers you can go with the cheaper option.
For SSD I personally love the 850 Evo. The nvmes are faster for data access but they're more expensive per GB, in my opinion you'll do fine with the 850 Evo. For hard drive I'd stick with the 7200. The hybrid may be faster but the full mechanical is more reliable.
For wireless the Killer has more features and theoretically better performance for online gaming, but the Intel seems more reliable, and if your router has QoS you can already tweak your network anyway. Most current wireless cards include bluetooth, the adapter is left on as an option in case there happens to be a card without it.
The easy version of raid is this: Raid-0 you combine two drives into one bigger faster drive. You get some additional speed and keep all the storage space but if something goes wrong you lose everything on the partition. Raid-1 you mirror the drives so you have two drives that look like one, the second is just a copy of the first. Neither option is terribly necessary, but if you want speed and can back up your data, Raid-0 is nice, and if you have important data you don't want to lose, then Raid-1 is better.

 

After I made that post, I managed to find a whole thread on it and found a solution that has worked (so far no BSODs) without having to delete the CC.
Here it is if anyone else is having the issue: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/synaptics-causes-bsod-on-p650se.770938/page-16#post-10233889

 

It's official. m edition gpu's in laptops are dead. All the 1000 series nvidia gpus in upcoming laptops will basically be similar to what youd get on a desktop. Now just waiting for metabox to release a p650 with the 1070 gpu

Edit:
Hope i didn't misread and misinform you guys here, but I'm sure that this is the case.

 

It's official - the new P650 with Pascal GPUs are on sale!

Clevo P650RS-G (Sager NP8153) - comes with GTX 1070
Clevo P650RP6 (Sager NP8152) - comes with GTX 1060

See here: https://www.sagernotebook.com/15-Inch-Gaming-Laptops/

Someone should start a new thread to discuss them. I would, but I'm still not entirely sure whether I'll be buying one. There's no new Clevo 14" laptop yet, unfortunately.

 

Wohoo... P650RS would be my next laptop.

 

Ok, since I think you're the best in Europe, I'm about to take (pre-order ?) a P650RS-G 1070 from you , I just want a straight answer ^^ :
- Is the P650RS-G able to handle a 1070 (speaking of thermal performance) ?
- What about the date of availability ? Do you have the barebones in stock or in backorder ?
- Are you planning on launching Gamescom-related coupons/offers ? (You never know)

Thanks !

 

@wickette Hey!

- yes the chassis handles the 1070 fine!
- chassis are in stock now, we will be shipping within the week as per usual with other orders
- The Gamescom promotion is already running, information is on the .de / European site already and should be on the .co.uk website soon

 

Consider my order placed : If I live in France and order from .de is that fine ?

 

@wickette Happy to help!

Yes that's correct, you go on the .de website and if it doesn't detect you are in France just click on the Tricolore at the top right of the site!

 

The performance on these new machines are going to be AMAZING! I just wish they were a little lighter and slimmer, closer to the MSI GS63VR. But since the MSIs have that gaudy dragon badge on the lid, and that awful keyboard font, I'll stick with the sager!

Question: Has anything changed with the chassis/components besides the new GPUs?

 

I'am looking for this one since month now... What about the noise emission (1070 or 1060)? as I am sensible to noise - or a least my family do ;-)

 

Been waiting for a month for this, and so glad I did! Just ordered a Sager NP8153 (Clevo P650RS), will report back when it arrives.

 

Yes!

First off new owners lounge should probably be made for these, but I'm hyped about what they added!

Two USB C ports were added, an RGB keyboard was added, and a new Sabre HIFI DAC for headphone audio! Additionally, according to HID at least the finish is now black aluminum instead of dark grey. I'm super pumped, ordered mine today.

Additionally some sort of modification was made for the cooling on the P650RS at least, the back now looks different.

 

The heatsink for the 1070 editions is a new design yes.

 

And for the 1060 models? Still the 970m one? And did anything change for the cpu heatsink?

 

The 1070 have a heatpipe joining the cpu cooler, the 1060 is similar to the old design which should work well.

 

I don't suppose anyone has any reviews on how the new cooling setup on the 650RS is working? I am pretty set on buying on, but it will be in about a month or so. On the same topic, Xotic offers to OC the gpu (which will just make it hotter, right?) and the option of extra copper heatsinks, which may help with the head from the 1070. Anyone have any experience with this option and whether it is worth it?

 

It seems the P650 may have just got that Thunderbolt3 upgrade after all according to Metabox:
http://www.metabox.com.au/store/b194/P650RP-Overview

Page is currently broken, but if you scroll down to the spec list it does indeed list: Type-C USB 3.1 / Thunderbolt Port

I'll be shooting them an email to double check.

 

Any shots of the internals with the 1070?

 

For those eager-beavers among us who're itching to buy a new P650... what's XMG's initial impression on the noise level between the 1060 in the 25mm chassis, and the 1070 in the 30mm chassis (with improved thermal design)?

I would prefer the 1070, but I don't want another jet engine!

 

For an 8 months, np8658s how much do you guys think is the relative resell value? I'm really itching on upgrading to NP8153.

 

Any word on this? Can any other retailer check if this model got the upgraded Thunderbolt port?

 

Hey, i have another question as well(any retailer may awnser this). My retailer ships the 1060 model with a 180w adapter. Will this be enough? I see lots of retailers shipping with 200+w adapters. Also does the ddr4 ram go up till 2400mhz or is 2133 mhz still the max? I see some retailers shipping 2400 and others 2133 so thats why. Also..is the keyboard always rgb?

 

The 1060 should be frugal enough to get by just fine.

 

I can confirm, this was in fact a typo

It definitely has 2x USB3.1 Type-C ports though.

 

For an 8 months, np8658s how much do you guys think is the relative resell value? I'm really itching on upgrading to NP8153.

No idea, but I was wondering if they can use the same power supply brick? I bought two of them.

 

Hi all,

Could I check for the P650 series (GTX 1070), if I choose discrete GPU in the BIOS, does it mean that optimus is totally off? Ergo, even when not playing games, such as email, ms word, excel, powerpoint, windows 10 OS - the discrete GPU is used? I have searched this thread but don't think I have found a definitive answer, or perhaps I may have missed it. Thank you!

 

Yes, putting the computer in discrete mode disables the intel gpu so it can't have optimus on.

 

Hi Tanner,

Thanks very much! Great to know that disabling optimus completely is possible!

I have a couple of related question. Comparing the P650 series (GTX 1070) and P750DM2 series (GTX 1070) - assume same CPU (6700HQ), RAM, FHD GSYNC etc. Assume P650 is in discrete GPU mode so optimus not on.
1. How do the thermals compare at high load (general question, not looking for specifics at this time)?
2. If the performance is similar, why would someone choose the P750DM2? It is heavier, thicker, maybe slightly cooler only?
3. Is the additional cooling for P750DM2 useful in slowing down component degradation significantly? This is probably related to (1) and (2).
4. May be silly question. Does disabling Optimus for P650 make the in built screen unusable?

 

Someone choose P750DM2 because it uses desktop CPU.

 

The cpu and gpu are removable in the desktop series too.

 

Thank you all who responded!

The battery is removable in the desktop series (750) while it is embedded in the slim series (650).

1. Is there some sort of mechanism built in both series (particularly the P650) to stop over-charging of the battery?

2. Is battery replacement more expensive and unavailable (say 3 years later) for the slim series compared to desktop series?

3. Assume there is battery damage / battery bloat. Is the slim series more badly affected if it does happen?

Thank you!

 

in my p650RE3, there is an option in the BIOS called flexicharge. you can set the levels where the battery will start and stop charging. I personally set it to charge at 40% and stop charging at 80%

 

hello guys I wanted to know if any of you has a p65x with i76820 oc at 4.0ghz and what temps do you get

thank you

 

That is the best thing to do!! +100..

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anyone here having GPU fan problems when switching to discrete mode? i found out that when i switch from MShybrid to discrete mode (essentially disabling optimus), the fans don't ramp up at all when under load. i was running witcher 3 and i hit 80C on my GPU (OCed +135 on core and +400 to memory via nvidia inspector) when on automatic fan in less than 5 minutes which by then the GPU downlocks heavily. though i can switch to manual fan and it brings temps down to a manageable 70-72C. However, in MShybrid mode, fans ramp up and on automatic fan mode, i'm usually at 75C

 

It is a sad day. The perfect laptop was born. 6820HK / 1070 / G-Sync / 64GB RAM / LTE / Mux to disable dGPU / USB 3.1 Type-C... And then someone let it fall down on the ground and now there is no Thunderbolt 3... Why? Can this be corrected via BIOS like with the MSI or do I just have to be sad until the same laptop with Kaby Lake may force TB3?

 

Price is the main reason, adding expense for something a small fraction of people are actually using.