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Motion denied. Super don't want that. Razer has the most professional font of any RGB keyboards so I can keep it looking non-flashy if needed. But I also like my macro keys and lighting.

Razer greens get a lot of hate, and have been awful, but the current gen Greetech switches are like blues with quicker activation for gaming. I preferred that in a blind test to blues or browns.

I also have no reason to engrave keys lol. Cool to be sure, but idk what I would even do with it.

 

They seem to mostly get hate for the Blade. I like their peripherals just fine.

 

Their mice are nice but break too often, and they make kinda stupid sensor choices. Idk why the Death Adder Elite has the second best sensor when cheaper Logitech's have the best. Not super important but apparently @D2 Ultima says people can feel the difference.

Their system QC is also pretty bad (3/5 Razer systems near me broke kek), but their headphones and keyboards hold up pretty well. I don't hear about them breaking very often. The firefly cloth mousepad, while pointless is quite nice. And I loooooove the Blackwidow V2 wrist wrest. Look at any review, almost all of them say it's the most comfortable keyboard wrist wrest they used. Feels like typing on a cloud.

Plus say what you want about synapse, it's way easier to use RGB software than anyone else.

 

Spend some time in Geekhack and they will convince you otherwise ("resistance is futile") . There is no purpose in ordering custom engraved ABS caps other than looking cool and becoming poorer. Can't really comment on Razer Greens. I'm a Cherry MX Red kind of guy. Been in love with my Filco with MX Silent Reds (not much of a backlight fan either)

 

The more I've used high end keyboards, the more I'm convinced the high end keyboard community is a full of it lol. All the holy grail switches would improve my wpm by like 3 at most at this point. As long as it's mechanical and the switches aren't crap (to be fair the gen 2 and 3 Razer greens were crap) I can type comfortably.

The opposite of my experience of the audiophile community... If you like saving money, don't try nice headphones...

 

The keyboards were what I was thinking of, just overall high quality. I'm still sticking with Corsair for peripherals, but I won't hesitate to recommend Razer keyboards.

 

Who said anything about improving WPM? The whole scene is about convincing other people that they have to spend everything they earn in keyboards to be happy. It is not about speed, its about "feeling". Fancy meaningless adjectives to describe how great a $250 keyboard really is (and they are... You need a Filco to be happy; resistance if futile ).

And yes, I do agree that headphones are a even worse "must have to be happy" money sink... Shure SE846 and Grado PS1000 are on my bucket list. And I do know people that spent over 10 grand in their sound systems. I don't even own a DAC; nevermind something in that list: http://www.themasterswitch.com/best-high-end-headphones . Some of those headphones are worth more than my car.

Anyway, off topic for the thread. Couldn't hold myself, sorry.

 

HD800, ZMF Atticus, Woo Audio WA7, Cayin iDac-6, Chord Mojo, ie800, JBL LSR4328p checking in...

I drew the line there though (after heavy damage, just short of critical to my wallet), no more audio stuff for a while.

Edit: btw I tried the PS1000e, it's nice, but intense. I preferred the Atticus but I see the appeal. The PS2000e is coming in May though.

 

Hi all. Been lurking around doing research for a new laptop - really useful stuff in this thread! I think I've narrowed down my overall decision to a P650HP6-G model (probably a Sager or EVOC, not sure yet), but facing one big question that I was hoping to clear up...

Does anyone have experience using this with an Oculus Rift and a HTC Vive?

Some background: I'm a game/VR dev, which has involved wrestling with lots of compatibility issues thanks to how "wild west" this particular tech is. Both the Rift and the Vive (especially the Rift, in my experience) can be picky about USB 3.0 ports, such as w/some earlier ASMedia controller hardware. Also, HDMI ports in many systems can be problematic. This is usually due to increased latency from dgpu signal being run through igpu hardware prior to output, such as w/Optimus. Unfortunately, "VR Ready" gets slapped on lots of equipment when it's not entirely accurate. Conversely, there are machines that do work just fine for the Rift but don't have the official Oculus-Ready label. For two examples, I worked with one Sager (desktop 980 gpu) that ended up having unusable HMDI for the Rift (got a miniDP->HDMI adapter as workaround), and then a newer Sager (1080 gpu) that was totally fine.

It seems like this model would avoid the HDMI issues due to its igpu/dgpu mux switch, but it'd be great to get confirmation of that. I'd also think the USB 3.0 hardware new enough to not cause any problems, but again that's not something I'd want to assume.

Any VR users around?

 

Unfortunarely I don't own a Rift or a Oculus. Is there anything specific that I can look at in Device Manager or with some kind of software to help you?

 

Thanks for the offer. There may be certain tools around, but nothing definitive (as far as I know). Even Oculus' own Compatibility checker will incorrectly pass/fail things at times.

Having said that, I am curious to know which USB controller manufacturers/models may be listed under the USB section of the Device Manager, if you wouldn't mind checking...?

 

Haven't hooked my Vive up to a Sager, but as long as you use the breakout box it should work. I've seen people have trouble with laptops if they try and plug directly into the system, for whatever reason it doesn't always work that way.

 

Not sure it this is going to be very helpful, but there it goes:


Kind regards,

 

Yeah, the Vive has given me less issues with various USB and HDMI hardware (assuming breakout box is used, as you mentioned).

I'm definitely more concerned re: Rift compatibility. Some people also hook up the Rift to the Vive's breakout box... I've had success with that too but not something I would want to rely on (as a dev, anyway).

 

I'm not aware of Intel controllers causing any VR-compat issues, so it's something at least Thanks for that!

I believe someone earlier in this thread had mentioned that USB 3.1 entries don't appear unless actually being in use. May be why only the 3.0 controller is listed.

 

Don't have an Oculus to test that with, but I know the breakout box has signal boosters so it might be an issue with the signal strength itself.

 

Something seemed to have changed between the NP9870-S and NP9873-S (both purchased from Xotic, btw!) which resolved our HDMI+Rift issue. Be great to know if this was an intentional fix made by Sager, as this could bode well for their other/newer models, or just a random happy coincidence.

I'll try to see if Sager has any info on this, and overall Rift compatibility, with the 8156...

 

Feel free to contact support on this one, I have not tested the VR headsets myself. A fair amount changed between the 9870 and 9873 including the obvious factor of GPU.

 

Likely it's further up the chain (Clevo) where the change was made, but I'd be interested to see what it was, since the board designs look almost identical.

 

Yes, me! We are heavily involved in VR and as such have customers who use HMDs including Vive, Rift, META, OSVR, Totem and many more. I have personally used all the above and we have a VR / Vive room in our office, so I can categorically say that the Rift runs fine with (to generalise) any Kaby Lake + 10 series GPU Clevo systems.

Rift comparability with some of the way 9 series Nvidia chassis was a bit picky sometimes, but that wasn't down to Clevo. The confusion about these 'VR Ready' systems is that there's the official Nvidia VR ready sticker which means it is validated and meets criteria for general VR HMD use i.e. power, direct dGPU to HDMI and then there are the chassis manufacturer's 'VR Ready' stickers which generally only mean the performance is above GTX 970.

Official Occulus Ready and Vive Ready are the type of approval which come as part of marketing deals.....

 

Yes the VR ready was just that they exceeded the recommended minimum spec for VR.

 

Thanks for all the info, good to hear!

 

I have a P650HP6-G on BIOS 1.05.04. It has voltage control in the BIOS! Now that I have the ability to undervolt, what advantages does TS or XTU essentially offer?

 

Can we get this BIOS Version too?

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What BIOS are you on?

 

Style Note 1.05.01 my reseller only offers 1.05.03 with xmg Logo

 

Looking into a p650hs-g with the 7700hq. When gaming should I be worried about heat with longer sessions on something like bf1?

What coolers fit the chassis and are they necessary?

 

There is nothing in the changelog to suggest that any new options regarding voltage control have been added to 1.05.04 vs 1.05.03 - I'm not personally familiar with the options in the version you're running but I can ask our BIOS team on Tuesday (public holiday here on Monday) for you ;-)

 

Heat is not that much of a problem on these chassis, especially if you do not plan to overclock. Is it hot where you live?

Do you know how to repaste a laptop? If you so you will be fine, if not you can ask your reseller, it will help a lot with temperatures.

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For long gaming sessions just prop the back up of the machine a bit with bottle cap sized props under the back feet of the unit for best airflow.

 

+1 it will save you the price of a cooler for the same result

 

Planning on a repaste from the reseller. Things look good then it's not that hot where I'm at.

Awesome. Should be good to go.

 

Hi guys, can anyone confirm if the P650HS-G is supposed to support Windows Hello Face Recognition? Fingerprint scanner is working fine but I can't get the face recognition settings to display under Sign-in options.

 

silly question... what is the bios key? I have the eurocom version. Swear I tried everything from F1 to F12 & DEL, but would like to know the actual key.

 

I think only fingerprint. But I havent tried the face.

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I couldn't find the keys either. Try this: http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/access-bios-windows-10. Alternatively Steps 1 to 4 can be replaced with: "Hold the right Shift key and click Restart"

 

I contacted eurocom support and they confirmed it is F2... and like you still cannont enter.

 

Windows 10 fast restart also gets in the way. Does the Left Shift + Restart method works for you?

 

And I had just edited my post about Fast Startup ! I disabled that and was able to enter the bios with F2. I can type 70 to 80 wpm so I can hit a key multiple times very fast...

 

I would keep fast start-up and use the shift + restart method. Unless you are tweaking UEFI settings several times a day this is a huge hit in boot time for a minor convenience.

 

I never shut mine down - I have it in Hibernate everynight. The only shutdowns are when I can no longer defer a windows update.

 

Same here, i never shutdown. Close lid and go on with my life.
Doing that both for Windows and Linux for some years now.

 

I guess i'm old fashioned with a shutdown every night

 

Same here. Prefer "off" when not in use for extended periods.

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SSDs boot fact enough that it's no inconvenience at all for me to do a full shutdown, so I typically do.

 

Old fashioned here as well. So far managed to get Windows to boot under 7.5 (with fast start up enabled) and about 15 seconds in openSUSE (with only minor optimizations). Computer stays off while I'm sleeping.

 

I found a problem on my p65xhp. When I connect external display (in discrete GPU mode), system process is eating my one cpu core. This is probably BIOS bug causing hardware interrupt to be constantly generated.

I ask all p65xhp/hs(-G) users to check your laptop for this problem. If you don't have this problem please write your hardware configuration and BIOS version.

 

Can you clarify what you mean by "eating my one CPU core"? My system is running in discrete mode. I've plugged it to an external display (G-SYNC, 144hz) via HDMI. CPU usage is not much different than when I've only the main display enabled.

 

He is talking about the infamous BIOS bug that has plagued the last P65RS and current P65HS clevo lines in many laptops since last year.

Updating using the Obsidian tool to the latest BIOS may resolve the issue.

@Meaker Has Clevo found the culprit yet?

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I haven't heard about it before. Out of curiosity, can you point me to a thread or explain what the problem is supposed to be?

Cheers,