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Hello!

I will be getting my first sager with a 120Hz G-SYNC panel this thursday. I heard TN panels generally have bad viewing angles and color accuracy. I don't mind the viewing angles much but decent color accuracy is something I would want. So I would like to hear from someone using the 120Hz panel on the sager NP8156 about the color accuracy compared to the 60Hz IPS. Is it decent or less than average?

Thanks in advance,
Harid.

 

Are you guys using DPI scaling on this? I have a P650HP6 (15.6inch) and at 100% it's waaaaaaaay too small, but at what Windows 10 recommends, which is 125% I feel its a bit too big. Going to custom and putting something like 110% or 115"% messes up with some icons in the tray etc... erff so annoying..

Also, is it possible to flash the newer BIOS version from obsidian tools if I don't have an obsidian branded p650? Mine's from pcspecialist.co.uk

 

This is really helpful and thanks for your feedback on this.
When you recommend the intel GPU being undervolted and benchmarked separately, do you mean that I need to adjust the values to lower than that of what is set for Core and Cache in TS? Or do you mean that I should undervolt it without Core and Cache being touched first? I'm in total agreement with you, I'm only looking to do some gaming at those temps as well.

I had no idea about the distinction if you hadn't mentioned it to me so this heads up is greatly appreciated!
I'll take your advice and try to reinstall Clevo Control Center without XTU to see if this helps with the regular crashing.

Thanks again!

 

Damn, can I ask if you have played Overwatch before?

I'm playing OW and seem to get pretty high temps, but seems on par for the gtx 1070 for that game.

On medium I can go to about 75, if I go ultra or high, I can expect mid 80's, not sure if that's standard or not!

 

I run Windows at 100% DPI and then zoom the browser if needed.

 

I would not risk flashing your BIOS. You could brick your entire system and lose all that money.

 

I think it doesn't matter but I did it after the Core and Cache undervolt (as most guides suggest). I have my system stable with Core and Cache at -100mV while the intel GPU at -80mV. It is lower in absolute values in my case. It could be different for you.

That might be the reason why your system is crashing. In discrete intel GPU is disabled while in hybrid intel GPU is enabled.

Yeah I played OW before. I currently don't. So I don't remember a lot. I kinda installed half my gaming library in the first month to test the notebook out. I remember I used to lower graphic settings to get 180 fps and I think it was one of the lesser demanding games. So the temp should have been sub 70C.

Make sure to hit fn+1 for max fan speed before playing. It might sound the same as automatic when under heavy load but you get 5-8C lower temp on max. Also another thing is that I always play with a fan under my notebook and open space on the side and back.

One last thing is that I have a TS profile with underclocked 3 and 4 cores in CPU (-2). It doesn't affect performance on most games as they don't fully utilize more than 1 core. This also lowers temp. I am planning to overclock 1 core on my 7820hk once Prema Bios comes out.

Viewing angle is actually great on this TN panel. You can see everything at 178 degrees. The bad viewing angle was for old TN panels. Technology improved. As for color accuracy, you will notice immediately that it is a downgrade from an IPS panel. You will get used to it though.

 

Yes the good panels are pretty good horizontally, the vertical is always not great but that's generally less important.

 

I personally love my panel. IPS LG 75hz, overclocked to 100hz, with these settings in Nvidia control panel (also I OC"d the refresh rate through NV control panel).

Technically lagom monitor calibration doesn't like this overall, but I don't care, I like it a little saturated, much like audio, visuals are subjective.

 

Got a P650HP coming hopefully by the end of the week and intend to (at least initially) run Manjaro on it. Anybody else had experiences running Linux on these laptops or does everyone just do Windows?

Will most likely install 10 Pro on it a bit later, just wasn't prepared to spend $240 on getting 10 preinstalled when I can get a key for $45.

 

I run windows 8.1, I run WSUS offline updater, then I disable kaby lake block with github hack, and run WSUS again, and windows updates turned off entire time I have latest May 2017 patch, running smooth as butter, everything loads faster than Windows 10 and I am still secured. I can't believe how much faster everything is its funny... Nvidia control panel loads up faster, etc etc.

I ran CCleaner and uninstalled some of the annoying metro apps, but other than that this baby is what an OS is supposed to be, no bloat, no telemetry (I run anti spy beacon for it on a scheduled task) and my Win 8.1 key was $15 lol

http://www.overclock.net/t/1628138/...d-system-on-hardware-unsupported-my-micro-oft

that is what I do if you are interested. win 8.1 WSUS and leave windows updates off the entire time and forever. so much better than win 10, and DX12 doesn't even work that well yet anyway so I don't care about that crap lol. honestly I tried DX12 a few times last month and it was not very stable even in AAA titles that supported it. and honestly these high end laptops manhandle any game as it is, so meh.

 

@Lynx2017, what screen model do you have?

 

Thanks again @topenzz ! Hoping the colors are decent enough for a few movies!

 

Use Nvidia control panel to calibrate monitor settings to your liking, mess around with these: just mess with it is in small increments click apply, ahve background desktop wallpapers set, calibrate to your liking, never just use stock my friend. you don't have to be hardcore about it, just play around no idea, but I would have got the 120hz TN panel if I could have, but honestly the IPS LG panel at 75hz overclocked to 100hz is not bad at all.

 

Will try it for sure! Thank you! Will post my benchmarks once I get my hands on my laptop, should be getting it by the end of this week!

 

I have the older 120hz IPS panel in my beast, I don't mind the slightly slower pixel response times personally.

 

Anybody here that has an NP8157 and also uses obsidian tools?

I have a weird issue, obsidian tools keeps telling me I do not have intel rapid storage installed.

I already clean installed several times.

Here is a screenshot showing obsidian tools with intel rapid storage running in the background:

 

Wow that is weird.
Are you running the Rapid Storage that is available in the app?
The way the app checks for the installed version is by looking at the following file:
C:\\Program Files\\Intel\\Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology\\IAStorUI.exe

Do you have that file installed?
Or maybe you did a .inf install?

 

Thanks for the info. Can't stand the 8 interface and there's things I need on 10 so I can't downgrade though.

 

With the fall creators update coming up, some new stuff to look forward to on win10.

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Thanks for the clarification....so that is why.

My setup is like this:

Drive 0 250gb m.2 -> Contains OS and OS ...... ONLY.
Drive 1,2,3 - Raid 0 -> contains all apps including intel rapid storage. Drive D:

All other drivers detected properly by your app, its just the intel one that it cannot find.

 

That does not clarify why the app can´t find IRST in your case.
The app does not care about how you setup the HDDs, your OS will still report as being installed in C:
If you go to this dir: C:\\Program Files\\Intel\\Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology\\I
Is the file AStorUI.exe present?

 

Anyone having problems with the fingerprint sensor?

For some reason I have to reset my fingerprints everytime, it's very odd.

Currently I'm using Obsidian Tool to update my drivers and Right now my driver for fingerprint is 3.5.1.0 but the one on the Latest is set as 3.1.12.0

Also, in notifications every time I log in I get this message.

http://imgur.com/a/8FMNz

For those who can't open it, it says that a Restart is required - Your computer needs to be restarted in order to finish setting up this device:

Egistech ES603 Swipe Fingerprint sensor.

Obviously, I have already tried resetting I'm just curious how I can get this to work, by removing that message and getting it to work, and not reset after every shutdown. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

Can you please tell me what is your laptop model?
You probably got that driver through Windows Update.

 

Hi John, my laptop model is the Eurocom Sky mx5 r2, which is the p650rs-G equivalent i'm pretty sure!

Would I be able to reroll to your driver?

 

Im actually not sure, you can always try using the app to install the driver, but i think Windows will use the latest.

 

I just updated that driver to 3.5.1.0 from the CLEVO website, try reinstalling it now.

 

Hi John, sounds good!

Question: how would I uninstall that specific driver so I can reinstall via your app?

Currently it says i'm on the latest and beside it is the No Update button disabled.

Thanks again!

 

You can uninstall it from add/remove then reinstall. Or you could press the Force Enable button in Obsidian Tools and update.

 

To Force the update buttons just click the "Force Enable" in the bottom

 

Running openSUSE Tumbleweed here as well as Windows 10 Pro. openSUSE is running flawless, the only small perk was that I had to install NVIDIA proprietary drivers the Hard Way.

I couldn't manage to get GPU passthrough to work with qemu-kvm so that I can replace my Windows 10 partition with a VM (yeah, I know that this is asking for a lot). For everything else Linux is running just great.

 

Mine is installed on D:\Apps\Intel\Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology
Only the OS is on C:

 

I have set the laptop to go to sleep on closing the lid, but I find that approximately half the battery is used after about 15 or so hours on sleep (from full battery). Is this normal or are my settings wrong?

 

Hibernate is more efficient as it can shut down the ram.

 

Can any owner of 650hsg answer some of my questions. 7820hk +1070

1.) First how good are the temps with both lm and non lm paste ?

2.) How is the build quality and how good is the keyboard. For comparision sake msi gt62vr or aorus x5 or x7

3.) any issues with this model like weak hinges or backlight bleed in panels ?

4.) Is the prema bios available on this model ?

5.) how are the driver updates from clevo often good and improve perf or lead to new problems ?

Tnx for answering in adv and yes im looking to purchase a new laptop between this and aorus x7/x5.

 

2) I like the keyboard.
3) HIDevolution can make sure the bleed is minimal.
4) No.
5) I'm running the Obsidian tool to update drivers. The Clevo page seems to have old drivers. Strangely, the Obsidian tool installed Intel video drivers newer than the latest from Intel itself.

 

Hi, so I started noting this bluetooth issue. I seem to have narrowed it down to the version of Clevo Control Center. I wasn't having into on version x.x.x.x.5, but it popped up with version x.x.x.x.21. Can you confirm your version?

 

I was able to fix it only by doing the following:

1. Disable fast startup in windows 10 creators update (am using ssd as boot, disabling it did not change my boot times).

2. Disabling fast startup in bios am not sure if its called "fast startup" exactly in the bios, its something like that.

Never happened again, not even once.

Clevo Control Center version did not matter in my case, but I am using the latest provided via Obsidian Tools: 5.0001.1.21

 

Thanks! Could you confirm one more thing for me: does opening Devices & Printers in Control Panel take a lot of time (~3-5 mins) before any device is shown? Or did you ever face this issue when you were having bluetooth issues?

 

Yeah, we know people...

 

Hey guys i am torn between the Schenker XMG p507 or the obsidian p650. The XMG 507 total 1,818.00 and the Obsidian totals at 2,224.53, they are the same spec and same model machine, what else is different? The kyronaut and lapping?

 

The BIOS of Obsidian allows overclocking (and undervolting) as well as overcharge protection. I do not know what the BIOS of XMG offers since I went with Obsidian (was cheaper in my case). When it comes to support Obsidian just like XMG is very active here and of course via their own official channels. To lower the price you might want to buy the RAM, SSD (and HDD) elsewhere. If it saves you some that is, downside is of course is that you have to install it yourself...

 

Never had that issue before, even during the times my bluetooth used to have problems.

 

Cheers for the advice. I made a mistake an realised I didn't add a gtx 1070 to the XMG build.

 

Yeah that will have quite a decent impact on the price lol.

 

Hi guys
Lately my NP8157 (bought last August) ran into a problem that if the GPU reaches its maximum load, my monitor would turn black, and the software software to crash...
I've tried fixing it through reinstalling my system, and to update my BIOS, but neither did any good to solve the problem...

 

What are max temp at load? Black screens are associated with dying GPUs, however in your case its working. So may be the GPU shuts down after it exceeds operating temps? If thats the case, you are cooking ur GPU to its demise..

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Hi! The highest temperature I could record is 91°C while capping the GPU clock to 1242 MHz and memory clock to 3004 MHz, rather than the default 1442 MHz and 4004MHz... However crashes do still occur even when the temperature is lower e.g. 60 degrees

 

I was already scratching my head thinking how could our prices be that higher, we have a low profit margin, and we can keep that only because we are a relative small team.
Now i understand your error Yeah going to the 1070 will bump your price.

 

91C is not good for GPU. Thats excess overheating. Black screens at 60C are not a good sign too. May be you can post a screenshot of the cpu + gpu monitoring software. Did you see what were the crash dump errors in the OS?

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