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Sadly forget about it. XTU still saves the settings in BIOS, so it's basically the same. I know, 3rd party program stuff etc but currently at least we can enjoy it - still better than closed doors.

 

It will auto clear with a bad boot though so XTU can be easier to test settings.

 

Hi there!
What are the base differences between P650HP and P651HP ?
I'm about to get P651HP6 (15"IPS i7-7700HQ GTX1060 6gb) based unit and i can only find reviews/videos for P650

Also, the unit comes with 2x8gb DDR4 2133 CL15 NB Samsung 1.2V sticks ( M471A1G43DB0-CPB ),
but instead these, should i get/would it work fine with 2400 CL14 (14-14-14) Kingston HyperX Impact-s ?

For SSD it has 256GB Intel 600p M.2 PCIe (quite slow, new 3D NAND, any consumer benefits?),
other choices include A-Data SX8000 M.2 that supposedly is much faster ?
In my mind Intel = quality and A-Data = 3rd tier , but there is no price difference...
Or get the Samsung 250GB 960 Evo M.2 PCIe (!Not PRO!) that is apparently fastest and also slightly cheaper? Whats the catch with 960 Evo?
Reviews seem not to be kind to Intel 600p and Samsung 960 Evo

What about battery replacement in time,
I did a quick search and nothing really came up as supplying replacement batteries for it.

Any tips for P651HP6 specifically?
Usage would be mainly plugged in gaming & usual surfing,
no plans to fiddle with clocks etc unless the temperatures are serious problem?

 

Latest airplane driver (Version 1.4.0.4) from Obsidian Tools is not working on P650HS-G. Clevo website has a working older version. I get this error during installation.




@John@OBSIDIAN-PC

 

Finally I've probably found config I want If everything will go well I might have it at the end of next week (unless something goes wrong)

P650HS-G (Brushed alloy)
Display: 120HZ TN
CPU: 7700HQ (I don't need 7820HK, and 100euro+ isn't worth such boost and It would run hotter)
GPU: 1070 8gb
RAM: 2x8gb 2666MHz
SSD: <My own> 500gb Samsung Evo M2.0
HDD: <My own> Hitachi Travelstar 7200rpm 1TB
PSU: 230w

Additional features: Fingerprint reader (that I love), ESS Sabre etc...

Would you take Intel 8265 vPro or Killer 1535? I still have bad experience (very bad) with Killer crappy software and I think I will choose 826X again...

It will be at least 1cm lower than my P870DM, and 15'6 not 17'3. Lack of subwoofer is a pain in ass but ESS and headset might balance this.

 

651 vs 650 means a style difference so either look or finish materials.

 

650 is brushed alloy design, 651 is matte alloy design to be clear.

 

Hi,

I'm interested in the XMG-P507 (P651HS-G)but I need additionnal information.

7700HQ or 7820HK ? What about the heat, power consumption and impact on battery life of both ? (does a 7820HK at 7700HQ speed consumes just as much so doesn't affect too much battery life ?)
Should I go for the Intel or the Killer wireless chip, and why ?
What battery life do you guys get on the iGPU (planning on using it in college)

Thanks

 

I went with 7700HQ for gaming - it's pretty damn enough for this purpose.
7820HK will be a little louder & hotter since it's same chip with more L3 and higher clock speeds and same 2pipe cooling. But only a little - don't expect +15*c etc. But* it will be at least 130-150$ more expensive. Is 0.1GHz worth it? Will you benefit from 2MB L3 more in games and normal use? The answer is no.
Technically 7700HQ should last longer on battery, but I don't think it will be more than 5-10 minutes difference...

I had pretty troubles with Killer in the past, and I still don't trust Qualcomm software quality. With Intel you will be 100% issues free and I think this is way to go. Currently I have 8260 and 120MB/s WiFi and I have excellent MS of 3-7ms (with Asus router at 5GHz band). No soft/driver issues, no connection issues, no ping issues - it's rock stable or even diamond stable.

 

Battery life of the same silicon chip at idle/low load will be roughly equivalent no matter the model.

 

Hi meaker, quick question! Do you have a datasheet specs for the ESS Sabre hifi DAC?

Also - Does anyone think it could drive a 250ohm headphone?

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It should. I know that they can drive 156ohm ones.

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Just a small tip for anyone having problems lowering temps.

My recent witcher 3 ( 2-3 hour runs ) reach 85-90 C on both cpu and gpu, and that is with kryonaut grizzly.

I tried a can of compressed air to clean the vents and grill of the copper heatsink, I made sure, you should too, to hold the fans in place so that they dont spin while blowing on the vents with compressed air.

Now my temps never reach 80c on gpu and cpu, my highest right now is 78c on gpu, 77 on cpu, monitored in 3-5 hour sessions.

Also, all my test cases are with airconditioning, room temperature is around 20c-28c.

The dust thingy slipped past me, its been months since I cleaned the vents, the dust build up looked like small cotton balls.

 

Not an exact set no, but I can tell you the chips used:

ES9018 + LM49720 + OPA1622

 

Thanks

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Have you tried updating your BIOS? I had frequent crashes while gaming, even at low temperatures until I updated my BIOS!

 

Yup, it does. I clean my system (P650RP6) once a month because the trapped dust in the gpu fins would increase gaming temps up to +5°C. It really gets dirty very quickly with average 2-4 hours gaming daily. The cpu fins does not get dirty compared to the gpu.

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It does only need a thin layer of dust to hurt temps.

 

Bout to get one of these puppies. Definitely decided on the GTX 1070, probably the 7820HK, a 512 NVMe with two 2tb 5.4k 7mm drives, and 64 gigs of ram. I do a lot of video editing, which is a primary purpose of getting this laptop. That, and Dota.

In these regards, my biggest qualm is choosing a display panel:
The 120Hz TN w/ G-sync (AUO B156HTN05.2), 60Hz IPS w/ G-sync (LG LP156WF6-SPB1) or something else unrealistic that I'd have to install myself such as a 1440p 120Hz IPS w G-sync

Alternatively, if anyone has come across information or can provide some insight as to whether the 17'' version of this laptop (the P670, not interested in DM lineup) can be easily modded with a 120Hz and/or 1440p panel?

Color accuracy is important to me for video editing, but I have a feeling once my eyes suckle the nectar of 120Hz I won't go back lol. I've seen mixed opinions about the TN panel and have seen no reviews about the stock IPS panel. If I could get a 120Hz on the 17'' I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Also, in terms of color calibration, re-pasting services, driver/OS optimization and Prema bios options, anyone know of differences between Xotic, Gentech and HID?

 

1) 7820HK will be much hotter than 7700HQ. You won't OC it since cooling on CPU sucks (2 pipes). 100MHz is worth very high temps and waste of 100-150USD for 1fps? 2mb cache+ is cool to have tho.
2) NVME is waste of money, noone smart would buy it. System boots same or 1s slower than on normal SSD. Games run at same speed. Only synthetic benchmarks shows you better numbers. Unless you are editing videos with 300gb-1tb size (good luck to do it with 500gb nvme) it's waste of money (normal editting will gain 0% additional quality and comfort and CPU will bottleneck unless you will buy 10C/20T core desktop...). I'd rather pick 2 x 500 Samsung Evo or Crucial MX300.

For video editing take IPS. For gaming 120Hz. I went with 120Hz and I will try to calibrate it with Spyder 5.

 

I have several IPS and TN displays.

The P650HS-G 120hz TN display is what I prefer most.

Once you go 120hz you'll never go back, everything just feels smooth, even conventional desktop navigation feels a lot smoother.

I barely notice any reduction in color accuracy, though I would still recommend IPS for designers out there.

 

I am using the 120Hz TN display, and it super fast and fluid! Combined with G sync there's very little screen tearing that I noticed. However, there is a very slight blue hue to the screen. I think it can be fixed with a screen calibration.

 

Ima go for the 120Hz, provided that it's the B156HTN05.2 panel, which from what I've read is a pretty good TN panel as far as speed and post-calibration color accuracy go. If I was super serious about editing without my 4k monitor I would get the Sharp IGZO LQ156D1JX01B and swap for a 40pin connector. Of course that would mean no G-sync and no 120Hz, and a fuzzy device manager (When will Microsoft patch the device manager interface resolution lol???).

I see what your saying about the 7820HK... For what it's worth I'm going to be repasting and undervolting, but the 7700 seems more practical.

As for SSDs vs NVMe, I found this video benchmarking non-synthetic (aka real world) differences in performance between a 960 NVMe, a MX300, and a WD mechanical HDD:



Are the NVMe and MX300 both m.2 in this case? Or is one PCI Express? Or SATA?

The differences are actually quite large (6 seconds vs 9 seconds for boot time is significant IMO, same with the Call of Duty load times 11s vs 25s), but maybe that's just because it's the Samsung Pro version. The HIDevolution "approved" 512 NVMe SSD would likely be slower than the Samsung Pro lineup.

I'm hyper sensitive to FPS and display frequencies since I edit a lot of video content and it does impact the experience significantly. A lot haha. I can't say that outside of slow-mo applications I've worked with 120FPS content, however. 48fps or 60fps is usually the max you'll see on TV or in the theaters (50 in Europe).

Yeah I hope the blue will go away with HIDevolution's calibration ^^

 

M.2 SATA and 2.5" SATA will tend to perform about the same, so the form factor for the two is not important.

 

Hey guys, quick question. What thickness thermal pads best fit the 650HS-G?

 

guys I have read that there is a flaw on skylake and kabylake processor right now i was wondering if there is a BIOS update for this or when can we expect it to arrive

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/25/intel_skylake_kaby_lake_microcode_bug/
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00308.html

 

Ah yea I saw this, think this issue is more important to Enterprise users no?

 

I think so to but I have read the article on debian (second link) that it is currently unknown which other programs might trigger the issue and if you are just a gamer or normal user you might not experience the issue but as for me I am running VMs and network simulators regularly so I kinda need this patch I think

 

Have anyone tried to tune the heatpipes with some thermal pads? I mean to bring the heat to the bottom of the case an cool down the cpu fan? In the package of my xmg P507 (2017) were two thermal pads.
They fit on the heatpipe of the cpu.

Make this sense?

 

Hello all,
I am new here and I have a problem with my Clevo P651HSG,
I can't disable double tap on the touchpad,
Anyone knows how to disable?

 

Hi and welcome to the forum and for being a recently new XMG P507 owner!

the thermal pads that came with your laptop are for M.2 SSD drives - we send pads out even if you don't order M.2 drives from us, so you can use them in the chassis if you have your own M.2s I'm not allowed to link to our company website on here, but there's a photo on the notebookcheck review of your P507 which shows where they are installed here:

 

Thanks for the good answer, I have a 960 EVO installed, but without the thermal pad. I will fix this. The thermal pads have one black and one transparent protector. Which side should be on the ssd? On the picture, the protectors are remove already...

 

Is there any fix for the lag that occurs in MSHYBRID mode when an external display is connected and display options are set to "Second screen only"?

Lag = visible lagginess when dragging windows around.

Also, my mouse pointer would stop moving sometimes with display connected (doesn't matter which mode i.e. doesn't matter if only second display is active or both are). Its actually quite annoying.

 

It does not really matter, just make sure both are removed and it can be either way round. Just remove the harder to peel protector first so you can pull the easy bit away once it's sitting in place.

 

Extreme Low Frame Rates with Display Port External Monitor:

Following from my post above, I have been having extremely low frame rates when connecting to an external display via display port to mini DP. What I felt was a lagging of the mouse pointer is actually really low frame rates, discovered after running a couple of games.

I am also running on Discrete mode only to remove the iGPU from the equation.

Also, I connected a second display using a VGA to DP converter (the monitor is VGA) and it runs fine. No lag or low frame rates. Switching to the DP monitor causes the lag.

The monitor in question is a Dell D2716DG.

I have changed cables as well as tried both mDP ports of the laptop.

Any suggestions?

Edit: So I tried disabling G-Sync and the low frame rates/choppiness disappears. Turning it back back on during gaming starts the chopping again and vice versa. Any one have any suggestions - perhaps some settings in the nvidia Conrol Panel

 

Does it happen on the desktop too or just games?

 

It happens in desktop when in MSHYBRID mode. Like stuttering of the cursor and when dragging windows around, there is a noticeable lag.

 

How about if you run with a single stick of ram?

 

Have you tried this? Did you see any results?

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This is an example of the behavior with G Sync enabled. As you can see frame rate drops to less than 10 (I am moving the pointer yo show this)

 

I'll try that.

 

ESS Sabre in P6XXHX is 32bit/384kHz or 24bit/192kHz? I expect the second one but I'd like to be sure.

 

Hey all! Im wondering what's your guy's best overclock? I was able to get a steady undervolt of -125 and oc'd up to 4ghz no problem with temps maxing out at 84 celcius. I usually leave it at 3.8 which makes the temps low at 78 celcius max. Would love to know what you guys are running!

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It seems that you have very good CPU! I know 2 cases (that I saw on my own eyes - not on forum) where 4.0 was unstable on uV higher than 75uV. But it was quite unlucky to get such CPU's.
You can try OC it to 4.2GHz. Temps and such uV at 4.0 should allow you to do this - 4.2GHz daily for normal usage ofc.

 

What cpu do you have @Djommar?

 

7820hk on my p650hs the 15 inch one from HIDevolution . Great company btw!

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Awesome I'll definitely try it out! I'll report back when I do . 3.8 seems to work perfectly for me and the games I play really smooth 100fps+ constantly! Loving this laptop so far

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Don't forget the base voltage can be different so just knowing the offset won't tell you what the real voltage is

 

I just received my p650hs... I have keyboard issue. Wrong keys ... Windows 10 doesnt affect it at all. US qwerty, PL qwerty all the same.

For example:
I type A, i get /
I type S, i get 9
I type D, i get ;

Any 1 has any idea how to solve this?

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