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Well I know for a fact that Linux does work with UEFI if you disable secure boot, I have it running myself using UEFI. It's just that I need to be sure that I won't be buying a €1500 laptop and eventually not even being able to use it properly like I need to (dual booting windows/Ubuntu lts).

 

When an OS is preinstalled on your laptop (thus without the need to activate a serial key) ; if you need to change the SSD, do you need to buy a separate license for the OS or can you transfer the license key from the old SSD ?

 

It depends wether the OS version you bought was a retail version or OEM. The retail versions tend to be able to be reused.

 

It depends on what you have. Since you don't have your brand, model and configuration, including which OS, in your signature, it is impossible to give you accurate advice.

 

SSD/HDD swaps are fine. Only swapping out a motherboard would require you to reactivate the system.

You have up to 3 changes to do before the key would be blocked from online activation but you would still be able to call Microsoft and have it activated over the phone so in your case, don't worry about it.

 

couple of questions: Are all 120Hz tn panels the same in the clevo P650? If so what are your experiences with it or what panel is it even? I'm not sure wether it's the auo b156htn panel I've been reading about.

 

It is the AUO B156HTN05.2...and it is SWEET!

 

Thanks, normally when I hear TN, I don't think of it as high quality, I'm glad to hear this one is.

 

Yes, the new TN screens are nothing like the TNs from years ago. TN = high quality is accurate finally

 

It has been possible but used to be really expensive so you only ever got one or two panels a generation.

 

Would the P650 be recommended as a laptop that you would take with you daily? Studying CS, first year of University. I've heard the aluminum case is pretty sturdy.

 

I personally use it daily for college! But I would get a sleeve or something similar though you wouldn't want the books to keep hitting the laptop. Not good for any laptop honestly haha. Go for it! It's not heavy at all. Only concern is if you have space for the power brick

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It really depends on your expectations as far as bulk and weight are concerned. As was said in the previous post, the power brick is larger than most, so room in your backpack, or carry all needs to be ample. This laptop is also not anywhere close to an ultrabook in weight. However, having said that, if I were back in the workforce, I would not think twice about carrying this laptop. I used to lug around large Lenovo laptops every day and didn't think anything about it.

 

Yeah I have a backpack with one of those compartments where you slide the laptop in. I'll have enough space for the power brick and books. The weight isn't a real problem either, a couple of years ago in high school we had to carry a ****load of books around for the better part of a year .

 

I've been looking around and comparing the P650HS's cooling system with MSI's new raider laptops, Alienware's 15 R3, Gigabyte's Aorus and so on, so far most of them the CPU runs in the high 70's mid 80's, which is comparable to my P650HS.

Now, most of them were running at default voltages from what I could tell, while I'm running with an undervolt of -140mV/-120mV core/cache. I did a quick Firestrike standard run and ended up with 79-81c (24c ambient), so to even things out I ran it at 0 offset voltage and temps were soaring above 90c, lowest core was 89c while the highest reached 92c, which was a bit disappointing considering it was a single Firestrike run and not a torture test, that would mean that those laptops with a similar undervolt would be in the low 70's.

So, how does the P650HS's cooling system compare to similar laptops? Is it really that 'bad' or do I have a bad paste job (wont be home for another week, so can't check)?

 

Can anyone comment on the buildquality? I've heard it's pretty hit or miss. A guy might be able to use it for 5 years, while another might only be able to use it for 6 months before it falls apart.

 

Isn't that true about most things? It depends more on the guy than the product.

 

True, but it helps if the product is well built

 

Yes, please forgive me, I couldn't resist.

Let's see what @Galm and others who have them have to say. I think you will find that 90+% will say the build quality and longevity is very good.

Have you read through this thread, or just 'heard' about it elsewhere? I think you will find your answer in this thread already.

 

No problem

From what I've read online the aluminum chassis is pretty good, especially compared to their lower priced plastic chassis.
It's someone that told me in person that he knew of people that bought aluminium chassis clevo's that were hit or miss. Since this place is filled with owners of the laptop, I thought it'd be a good idea to get a little more than just hearsay.

 

The P650HS is overall a pretty sturdy machine. It does have a weak point I'll cover first. It's the lid which is plastic. It's not like alarmingly flexible, but it's more flex than tougher laptops like the AWs or Aorus's.

The rest of the chassis however is very strong. The keyboard deck is great, feels like a tank and has almost no flex unless you're pushing so hard you're trying to break it. (and even then it's not much flex) The rest of the chassis is metal too with a plastic bottom cover. Overall I've ranked the laptop compared to the competition here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-quality-and-quality-control-guide-v2.802196/

But I'd say it's done very well. Aesthetic quality in the case of my guide is more "fit and finish" (aka not all that important to operation) while build quality is referring to how well made it is, but also how well the laptop can properly cool and utilize its internal components along with the overall internal design which is excellent. It's upgrade friendly and well cooled.

Straight up an Aorus X5 will be tougher feeling as will an Alienware, but that's about it and they're more expensive by a decent margin. It's better than the GL502, GS63 etc... Overall I'm very happy with its build quality. I remember when it first arrived it was more premium than I even expected. Just don't drop a 30 pound brick on the lid, and you'll have no issues. I know a bunch of people who lug it to classes every day without a problem. Perhaps if flying I would recommend cushioning the lid a bit just because airlines throw your bags. But that advice would be true for any other gaming laptop as well.

 

I'll echo the thoughts by Galm. The lid is the only negative as far as overall quality that I can see with my NP8157. Even though you can lift the lid from a closed position with one finger, I recommend using a lift motion from both opposing corners for longevity sake. My son has an MSI and its lid is much more likely to have an issue than these, and he has had his for over two years without a problem. Having said that, everything else looks to last a good long while. I have seen a good many laptop of my years as an IT person, and I wouldn't hesitate recommending this line of notebooks to anyone.

 

@Galm @dragon57 Thanks for the response guys. And Galm, thanks for the detailed breakdown

Edit: @Galm, just saw your guides, they were really nice and detailed! Good job on them. Probably helped loads of people.

 

I just got the NP8156, my only issue with it so far is getting it to come back to life after closing the lid or turning it on. Sometimes the Sager logo doesn't come up, or it does but the OS won't start. When I open the lid back up after having closed it, the screen does not come back on. Can anyone help me with this, I will greatly appreciate it.

Thank you.

 

What are your boot settings? What ram/storage are you using?

 

Hey everyone, weird issue here on the p650rs-g, but using a p650hs-g CCC.

So in my CCC, my volume is not saved on things like a shutdown, restart, etc. But my brightness is.

Now that I think about it, I think it may have had to do with downloading the soundblaster xfi driver, but I really can't tell. I know it's *probably* not an issue with CCC because someone has told me that version 5.0001.1.07 worked fine for them. So I gave that an install, and that does not work either. So beforehand I was on v5.0001.1.27 but I recently upgraded to 37 and volume is not working as well.

So I'm guessing this another issue separately. If anyone can let me know if they had this problem or knew how to fix it, please let me know. It's not a major issue, but is pretty annoying!

Thanks

 

I did a search and noticed some of you also had trouble with the fingerprint reader. Registered fingerprints not being recognized, etc. Did anyone find a fix for the issue with a driver upgrade?

 

Just booting from ssd drive, and whatever standard ram that came with the laptop from gentech. 2393 MHz frequency and timings 17-17-17-39.

I'm also getting a lot of EMI from my headphones. If I get an external USB soundcard or amplifier will that fix any interference I am getting? I am guessing its all internal influence from the motherboard etc...

 

Looking at MySn.de, I see there are two versions of the P507 (2016 and 2017). The only differences seem to be the CPU generation and the G-Sync screen, I have no idea how this translates in price and I'm kind of surprised to see such a big price difference between the two (~200€). Is it just the CPU and G-Sync that cost that much or are there more differences ?



Also I remember prices being much higher a month ago, right now the P507 2016 with 8GB of RAM, a 250GB SSD and the gtx1060 costs as much as some other brands' laptops with only a 1050Ti and a plastic chassis. Are there sales going on ?



From what I've heard MySn are one of the few european resellers that can actualy be fully trusted (the other seem to save money on customer support), so I'm surprised to see such low prices all of a sudden.

 

Hum not sure about it but on my p650sg I did notice that the fingerprint reader was really sensible to the "state" of my hands... Meaning that if I did record my fingerprints right after cleaning my hands, then the reader would only work with very clean hands... Same with greasy fingers

I was wondering something, it is aimed more at John from Obsidian but maybe other resellers reps can contribute: is my warranty voided if I remove the brand stickers on my laptop? I am talking about the "Obsidian" logo on the lid and the "Obsidian" letters below the screen, that are little stickers.

 

Try updating your sound drivers to see if they improve the active compensation. A USB headset or similar would not impacted no.

Usually wake from sleep issues are driver related and they can be a pain to troubleshoot.

 

Only @John@OBSIDIAN-PC can answer that one...it is their warranty...which you can probably read on their website.

 

Not at all, just don't remove the bottom serial


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Is there a way so set the P650 to wake from sleep when the lid is opened? If not would it be something that can be added via software ?


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Have you gone to Control Panel>Power Options?

 

Ya nothing there


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Very strange. My new Sager does wake up when I lift the lid, even though I have it set to do nothing when the lid is closed. My old HP behaved the same way under Windows 7.

As has been said, diagnosing issues such as this can be long and drawn out. The standard next steps are to wipe and reinstall the video driver. If you need to continue, go into Device Manager>USB Controllers> and then select the first item (in my case it's "Generic USB Hub") open its Properties>Power Management and then DESELECT "Allow the computer to turn off this device...". Do this for each item in the list. Note: you should NOT have to DESELECT that option, but it sounds like something has changed to interfere with normal operations.

Another thing to think of is are you aware of any recent updates that coincide with this behavior? If so, I would entertain rolling back to a restore point when everything worked correctly.

 

I have a Elucktronics 650.. have gone through all the normal troubleshooting.. still can't find a way.


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Hi,

does anyone know what orange blinking on the power LED (the rightmost one) is supposed to mean on p650hp?

It suddenly starts to blink just after logging into windows and the laptop then shuts down (with no warning) in ~30 secs. At first I thought that it's a battery problem (or something else to do with power because it's plugged all the time) but it seems not to be.

Disconnecting the CMOS battery for a while seems to have helped but I don't know for how long. Before doing that I tried a dozen or so reboots and this did not happen every time but most of them. Two times however, the laptop started loudly beeping at ~1 sec intervals as well.

The fans and temps are fine as is most of the stuff that usually comes to mind. It's been working fine so far and seems to now. Any ideas?

The manual claims that this behavior of the LED indicates that the powered USB is charging something but there is nothing plugged there...

 

You are corrent in that the blinking orange of the Power LED is supposed to mean something is charging on the powered USB port. All the symptoms led me to suspect something in the power circuit has gone haywire. The beeping should mean low battery power, the blinking orange is power related, and the shutdowns also would come from low power.

How old is your unit?

 

Bought at the begging of the year.

I considered that. Is it possible that something at hardware level thinks the battery is out of juice despite being plugged in and fully charged? Because windows seems to read everything correctly.

From what I've googled it is also somewhat similar to a case where someone had problems with wrong thermal readings but again - thermals seem to be fine.

I'm loath to RMA it, because the issue seems to be hopefully gone so far and from my experiences with other devices RMAing these kinds of intermittent issues does not work.

And, of course, the issue started the evening before a work trip ;] Nothing beats having to pack a screwdriwer for those...

 

Anyone happen to know how thick the thermal pads are on the P650HS? About to tackle a repaste and considering my luck I'll have problems with the pads that are already in place, so planning to have some replacements to hand. Heard Fujiploy are good, but not sure whether to get 0.5mm or 1mm pads.

Any advice appreciated

 

Advice: check on internet if other users already used some replacement pads before, and if so if it was beneficial.

Replacing thermal pads on laptop gpu are worth if you have an issue with your gpu such as frequent shutdowns and so on (non adequate contact or misplacement of original pads), or if you want to overclock memory and you find information showing that higher conductivity pads would actually help.

I know that on the p650sg (former model of this laptop) with 980m replacing the original pads did not change much to the overclocking capabilities since the bottleneck was not Vrams heat (they were using low voltage Vrams anyway so not much to do in that direction).

One last thing, you want to be extra careful when ordering Fujipoly's, because they are a lot less compressible than standard thermal pads (1.5 mm standard ~ 1mm Fuji if I am correct), which can lead to heatsink lifting if not properly adapted.

 

The ram will not benefit from improved cooling.

 

What is Flexiaccess and Flexiaccess 2.0?


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Yes I guessed that but wanted to know about replacement pads in case one gets damaged removing the heatsink. Sounds like some generic pads at 1mm probably OK.

 

Hi folks!
What RAM configuration is better for Clevo P650HP6-G?
2*16GB or 4*8GB?
How it will affect on performance?
And what is the limit for this model? 32 or 64gb?

 

Hardware limit is 64GB. Operating system limit depends upon which edition of Windows you run (e.g., Windows 7 Home is 16 GB) -- for Windows 10 don't worry about it. If you're overclocking the RAM, 2*16GB. If you're thinking of maxing out the RAM later, 2*16GB. If you're using stock RAM speeds and only want to minimize cost, whichever is cheaper.

There are only 2 channels, so 4*8GB doesn't get you any greater speed. The channels can run marginally faster if there's only 1 SO-DIMM per channel, but that is only an issue for those trying to be on the bleeding edge of RAM overclocking.

 

Thanks for answer!
I'm planning to work with Win10 and I don't have any plans for overclocking.
I have few options to order:
1) P650 stock with 4GB 2133Mhz for 1054€
+ 2*16GB for 248€
= 1302€ for 36GB 2133
Cheapest option + 1 free slot.

2) P650 with 2x8GB 2400MHz for 1179€
+ 2*8GB for 129€
= 1308€ for 32GB 2400

3) P650 with 2*16GB 2400 for 1314€
Just 12€ more, but future proof with 2 free slots.

Price difference not so dramatic, I'm just curious about performance.

 

I notice that you are talking in €, may I ask where the f do you get such low prices ??? Lowest I found were XMG or PCSpecialist and they were like 1450 for 16GB of ram.