*** Official Clevo P65xHS(-G), P65xHPx(-G) / Sager NP8155, NP8156, NP8157 Owner's Lounge ***

I always save often no matter what machine I am on because you never know.

 

Yeah I do too, I just meant that it blue screened 10 mins before the deadline and I hadn't handed it in yet

 

It is strange how some see this error and others don't. I have never had a BSOD on my new 8157 after two months of heavy use.

 

It's some set of specific conditions that does it.

 

Do you use an external mouse most of the time by any chance? I remember the first 2 days I got the laptop I never got a single BSOD while gaming on a usb gaming mouse.

After that I started getting random BSOD every 4 hours while using the touchpad. After a week, I checked the forum and realized it was caused by syntp.sys and applied the fix.

 

I use an external trackball most of the time, but I also use the trackpad fairly often (my hands cramp up on me}.

 

I had seen people complain about the BSOD, but it never happened to me (after 1,5 months of heavy use) so I thought that I shouldn't try fixing something that isn't broken. That is, until it actually randomly happened to me at the worst time possible. So you might be better off trying the fix anyway. (P650HP6)

 

No kidding. When it gets to crunch-time and multi-project multi-window chaos takes over, I eventually end up hitting ctrl+s on the desktop, file explorer, wherever

 

Hi all,

I've searched through a few other threads, but couldn't find a definitive answer regarding the Clevo Control Center. I'm thinking of uninstalling it because it only seems to have undesired effects (to put it mildly) on my NP8157.

Power settings change without notice (notably changing my sleep selection to hibernate), the key mapping only works intermittently, and I think I've narrowed down a volume increase issue to something it's doing behind the scenes (I believe the volume is being adjusted based on how it reads headphone impedance).

I can use AutoHotkey for key mapping, I turn off keyboard lights, I leave my GPU in discrete, I don't overclock or use fan controls — essentially, I don't use any of the "features" CCC would claim to offer.

So, can I safely uninstall CCC without adversely impacting my system? I've read that this sometimes disables the headphone jack. Has that been fixed / changed?

Thanks in advance, and apologies if this has been clearly asked / answered elsewhere.

 

Just found this, which I'm guessing is what's screwing with the audio: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...tman-3-0-lounge.794538/page-123#post-10347919

Anyone know if there's a way to bypass the amp?

 

Do you have problems with 5.1 output and microphone port?

It fails to read headphones when 5.1 jacks Centre/Sub and RearL/RearR are connected . Thus no Front speakers.
Also headphones is disconnected when microphone is connected.

When Only headphone is connected, Every thing works flawlessly.

 

Well, I've never used the 5.1 port until just today after reading your message. So, I never have more than one output device (speakers or headphones) connected and I never use the mic port.

Connecting my speakers to the headphones port yields normal volume. Subsequently connecting my headphones to the headphones port yields high volumes — a 4% volume equals what I'd expect to hear at 60% or so.

 

those are designed for 5.1 . looks like you have no problems.
I can't seem to use microphone port with headphones attached . . Also no 5.1 for adventurous me.

 

No, CCC is definitely causing volume problems. I never use the 5.1 port with headphones; I've never used it in the three laptops I've owned over the past 15 years. The issue is isolated to volume switching (i.e. the amp) when I open CCC and it reads impedance for headphones.

Not to mention that it keeps switching my power profile settings from Sleep to Hibernate, which I've turned off on my system.

Still, to my original question — is there any benefit for me to keeping CCC if I'm not using any of the features (overclock, keyboard lights, power profiles)?

 

HI Guys,
My CPU temp is usually in the 80s range. I have Intel Extreme tuning running so I can see the max it went to when I am done playing a game. Today while playing Division the max went to 98 with an average temp of 87. Will this cause any long term damage to the system?

I am really worried about the temp. CPU is already undervolted by -0.1 V and I am going to repaste it as well.

 

I tried to live without CCC once. It was okay. The only problem I had was the fan did not fully stop when CCC was not there, even though CPU and GPU were at 40~°C. I guess the default fan curve of this machine simply does not have the fully stopping zone.

 

That CPU temp is really high. When I just got P650HS-G the CPU also ran very hot, similar to your range. However it got much better during gaming (Witcher 3, BF4, etc.) - not higher than 75°C after undervolting. Mine are -150mV on core and -100mV on cache. I just feel yours shouldn't run that hot after you undervolted it already.

 

Did you set fan speed to max in clevo control center (shortcut: Fn+1) while playing? That alone can drop temps by 5C. Having enough space for air to flow behind and to the left side of the notebook can have a huge impact. Raising the bottom and using a fan can also drop the temps by 5-10C.

 

As long as you didn't pay for a custom repaste job it's definitely worth the time and effort - I did it yesterday with some Kryonaut on my HS-G and that shaved ~8 degrees of my temps under sustained full load down to 81*C with a 125mV underclock and every storage slot populated ("Automatic" fan profile and lying flat on a wooden desk).

Btw, anyone know for what else can we use the LTE m2 (looks like a M-key 2230, but I'm not too sure about that?)... Ah, and in case someone's wondering - despite what the manual says, you can do an 1x m2 PCIE + 3x SATA setup (at least in AHCI mode, in my case a 960EVO + 1x m2 WD Blue + 2x 2.5'' Evo 850's)

 

I just started gaming on it a couple of weeks ago. Till yesterday it had not gone beyond 90 ever, but yesterday it went to a max of 98 and that has made me really scared. I also thought it should not go that high after undervolting. I haven't undervolted the cache

Yes I always set the fan speed to max while gaming. I also try to keep enough space behind the laptop for the air to flow in

I got mine from HID and they do a custom paste job. but it was sent to HID to repair a faulty hardware who also sent it to the manufacturer to change some components. I am thinking a re paste might be required after all this. Though this temp seems too high even with no repaste or undervolt

 

You mean the 81*C I mentioned? As I said - it's with the automatic fan profile that maxes out at 80% as I forgot about the Fn+1 hotkey and I didn't bother opening up the CCC to toggle the fan prior to a gaming session and with Plex's happily migrating and optimizing files in the background all drives are currently running a tad hot (call it 50*C across the board), so that may be skewing figures somewhat. When things settle down, I'll do another Division and ME:A run to see what happens temp-wise when I'm not torturing my drives XD
Edit: For the record, with the stock paste and no undervolt, I was seeing 92+*C under sustained load, which is why I'm starting to think that Clevo did do a repaste on your rig and replaced the good stuff from HID with the generic goop they normally use

 

Oh no I meant the 98 that I got is too high even for a system with stock paste and no undervolt. Although I can't say how long it stayed at 98. When I stopped gaming I only say the max, min and avg temperature for the session. max was 98 and avg was 87 so it might not have remained that high for long. But thermal throttling did happen during the session

Anyone has any videos on how to repaste this model? I have opened the back but I haven't removed the fan assembly yet.

 

Ah,cool (no pun intended)! As for the disassembly process, you don't really need a video tbh - it's simple enough to do as it is :
Step 1: Release the back panel (all screws incl the keyboard)
Step 2: Unscrew the heatsink assembly - start with screw 14 and work back
Step 3: Lift the assembly and unhook fan cables as needed
Step 4: Clean and reapply paste
Step 5: Assemble in reverse order (start from Nr1 on the heatsink assembly)
(Optional) Step 5.5 : Forget to reattach the CPU fan and have a panic attack when the system starts beeping on first bootup

PS - Here's a link to a service manual I found online for this chassis

 

Thanks. I found a video, ordered the paste and alcohol and should do a repaste as soon as they arrive.

On a separate note, I am getting an XTU benchmark score of 641 marks. From what I have read for 7700HQ it seems to be a bit low. Is it something that will affect the performance of the laptop while gaming?

 

What were your clocks through the run?

 

Could you tell me what you mean by clocks? Sorry I am new to this stuff

 

Here is the PDF for it: http://s472165864.onlinehome.fr/anyware/manuels/P65XHS SM 20161226.pdf

It doesn't have the disassembly process for the heat sink but the other stuff is pretty useful

 

XTU gives you a graph of CPU frequency at the bottom, run your cursor over the graph from the time you ran the test to see what it was over the test.

 

If you are referring to the Maximum Processor Frequency I remember it was 3.73 GHz. I have shut down the laptop since I ran this test so I don't have the data during this test available anymore. But the graph at the bottom also shows the max core frequency. I am assuming you are asking about that.

 

It should trace the frequency over time, so long as that is staying up and the temperatures look fine then there is nothing to worry about.

 

I'm in the process of overclocking the GTX 1070 on my NP-8157 (first time I try it). I'm currently at about +200 core and +500 memory, which is (so far) stable with 2,000 core mhz and 4,450 mhz of memory.

I'll need to do some more benchmarking to make sure it's stable. Does anyone with the NP-8157 have some GPU OC specs (or guidelines) to share?

 

Mostly monitor temps on longer runs, make sure it's in a heavy title. I suspect you may not be able to maintain those clocks throughout, you may want to undervolt the CPU and tone the GPU back unless you got a VERY good sample.

 

I'll do that, thanks for letting me know. The Division is probably the heaviest title I have right now so I'll play it for a while this weekend and see what happens.

As for undervolting the CPU, is that also done in Afterburner or do I need another program to do that? Thanks again for your help.

 

Intel XTU or similar CPU application for that.

 

Is anyone else seeing a screen door effect on their standard 60 Hz screen? I had to send my laptop back to get the screen replaced (strange browning at the edges) and I'd hoped that this might address the screen door issue. Basically, I see a screen door effect on most bright colors. I've attached a screenshot that kind of shows what I'm seeing. The screen door effect shows up in the blue behind the gray tabs — you can see the difference between the single pixels in the gray tabs vs. the clustered pixels in the blue tabs. It helps if you view the image from farther away.

I did post a similar, separate thread awhile back, and folks told me that this may just be the result of the matte screen coating. I find that difficult to believe and don't see the same effect on matte screens I've seen while browsing at Best Buy, for example. I'm coming off about 9 years of glossy screens, most recently from a prior Clevo model.

So, is anyone else seeing this? Would it be different on a 120 Hz screen, or is it really just the effect of the matte coating? Thanks in advance for any response.

 

I can't see an attachment on your post, maybe upload to imgur?

 

Blargh. I'm an idiot. Here it is:

https://imgur.com/a/emFbd

 

Hey y'all, just a quick question - is someone else noticing the keyboard backlight colour defaulting back to blue after a restart and that you need to open the FlexKey app to restore your colour preferences?
Edit: My P650HS-G (Defiance III) has the latest Control Center version - 5.0001.1.46 - as per Obsidian tools.

 

Double check your scaling options and resolution, that is odd.

The firmware will default to blue at blue as standard until the app is launched yes.

 

I've done both. Native resolution is confirmed via both Windows (PC Settings) and Nvidia (Display > Change Resolution). The only place I see scaling options (PC Settings > System > Display) shows it at 100%.

Right now, both Nvidia and Windows are set to use default / program color settings. Would changing that to Nvidia help with this issue? If not, do you think it might indicate a screen defect?

 

Yeah that's how it works. I have disabled the CC on startup and I am too lazy to open Flexi Key every time, so I am just using the default blue now

 

FWIW, there are Fn keys at the top of the numpad to switch, power on/off, and what looks like rotating the scheme. Perhaps you could use those to rotate through or just turn off the lights altogether? Alternately, I wonder if there's a way to set up a hotkey that would switch to your default light profile...

 

Those keys also work only when FlexiKey/CC is running

 

Hey, guys -

Just got an Eluktronics P650 series laptop.. with what little time we've gotten to play with it, things seem great. Just looking for advice on drivers.. I know Eluktronics provides drivers on their website, but I am wonder if anyone recommends other places for drivers, whether some versions are better than the newest for certain things, whether the Obsidian tool is the best for Eluktronics? (or does it even matter that it is the Eluktronics build of the chassis, or is it the same across all resellers?)

Thanks in advance!

 

I'm pretty sure the Obsidian tool can be used by any (supported) clevo laptop, even from another supplier. It works great for me, really easy way to keep your drivers updated.
Also has some nice features like easy access to throttlestop from within the app, and some apps/recommended installs (check the attachment).

From a post about the obsidian app:

 

Throttlestop or Intel XTU? What do you guys prefer?

 

One vote for Throttlestop - it gives you a bigger range of tweaks and it has A LOT of user-friendly guides on how to make your tweaking experience fun and painless.

To all:
Err, guys, anyone else noticing significantly improved temperatures with Intel Speed Shift + undervolting enabled (via Throttlestop) compared to EIST+undervolting?

 

Is anyone else having problems upgrading from Intel Chipset 10.1.2.86 to 10.1.17464.8052? Whenever I have tried to upgrade it in the past through Obsidian PC's tool, it has shut off my touchpad, and I cannot reenable it unless I use system restore.
It is the official latest version according to Win-Raid forums: https://www.win-raid.com/t895f42-Intel-Chipset-Device-quot-Drivers-quot-INF-files-27.html
Just a sidenote: All the other drivers listed are either fully up to date or ahead of the latest version and are fully functioning.

 

Isn't that a lower version number? Or is intel up to their silly numbering scheme.

Is there a reason you are trying to upgrade them?

 

I did notice that at first as well, funny enough. But, as I saw on the Win-Raid forums, that is the official latest version number, despite it appearing lower.
"The v10.1.1.xx (for "normal" Intel Chipsets from 6-Series up) and v10.1.2.xx series (for 'Enterprise Edition' Chipsets like X99) were the versions of the 'Intel Chipset Device Software', before Intel unified them by releasing the new Chipset Device Software v10.1.17415.8036 Set in September 2017."
No specific reason for upgrading them besides from just wanting to be up-to-date with all my drivers. It just annoys me that one is not.