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If you have a calibration tool you could easily do it yourself. I don't have one so I just eyeball it. I'm also not into professional photography so the screen doesn't have to be perfect.


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It depends what you need the calibration for. If you're a semi-pro or pro phototographer or videographer then you need to use a fully calibrated panel, however calibrating should take into account settings including:

- ambient light level and light temperature in the environment that you're using the display. A generic calibration can improve the display but if you need it to be accurate then you need one set up in flourescent ambient lighting if that's where you will be using it, same as you should calibrate under tungsten lighting if that's where you will be using it.
- what you are ultimately using your content for - website work, printing yourself or printing professionally by third part etc

It also depends on the panel you're using and it's colour space coverage. For example (I'm using NTSC for simplicy because that's what the laptop panl manufacturers quote in their specifications, but you should be looking at the sRGB or AdobeRGB space depending on what professional level you're working at) a 72% NTSC panel is fine for most people, calibrating this usually improves the colours a bit but it's closer to optimising the brightness and contrast. The 15.6" AUO B156HW01 v4 panel for example (now discontinued) was a 95% panel, very nice but it had a bit of a red tint at stock. Calibrating this higher level gamut display gives a much more accurate image, but it'll also reduce or negate the red tint. There are also some lower gamut displays with a slight blue tint, calibration can level out the tint but it can't actually increase the "performance" of the panel.

I'd say that "professional calibration" equates to someone calibrating your panel for you with pro-level calibration tools - "calibration for professional use" should really be carried out by the professional who is using the panel, as their environment and requirements will generally be specific to them.

 

@MYSN can you please check if this is correct.

 

@AndiiiHD - yes this is correct.

Primary M.2 slot supports SATA III M.2 and PCIe x4 speed M.2
Second M.2 slot supports SATA III M.2 and UMTS / LTE M.2 devices

These are respectively listed in each configuration drop down menu. Using a PCIe device in the primary M.2 slot disables the second M.2 slot, but you can use a 2.5" SSD for additional storage in this case which runs at the same SATA III speed as the second M.2 slot. You can also RAID 0 and 1 with 2x SATA III M.2 devices - having a SATA III M.2 in the first slot doesn't affect the second slot in the same way that when you have a PCIe device in the first slot.

 

ok thank you for confirming, does Clevo do differnet builds with the P65xHS(-G) P65xHPx(-G) series for different resellers? Because refering this post [of an MSI Lover ;-)]
other vendors do not mention/have this limitation - which i cannot believe to be true.

HTWingnut also wrote in his review:

There are also two M.2 slots for support of 42mm, 60mm, or 80mm length drives with SATA III, or a single 4x PCIe NVMe drive.

 

Can't comment on others. Heard good things about LPC, HID and Prostar. I got my Sager through XoticPC. No issues in ordering, getting updates on build, receiving and getting help. Although technical help mainly is directly from Sager. Sager has been very friendly.

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Hey guys, I am thinking about selling my Blade to buy something higher quality from a more reputable company. I was just curious about how people are liking their NP8157s. I would like to get one with a gtx1070 and 7820HK if I were to sell my current new laptop. Are are people finding temps on these and how is the fan volume? Everything about this laptop is so tempting to buy and making me regret buying my current laptop but one thing that's a little disappointing is there is no TB3 port. Are there any 15" Sager/Clevo laptops that have a TB3 port without getting way too thick and bulky/heavy? I think this model is kind of my limit for this. Also, this laptop does not support MXM GPUs, correct?

 

Thats your preference really. If you have access to the software you can read forums or watch videos online and get it done. I am not an artist or professional photographer so I wasnt worried about calibration (mainly movies, simulations and gaming). Also mine is an IPS display (out of the box colors were sharp and brilliant) rather than a TN.

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TB3 -> Its worth to have a look at the P75xDM2-G series... (MXM+Desktop CPU)
Yes the models refering this thread use soldered CPU/GPU (BGA) but are way lighter and slimmer. You can have a look at HTWINGNUTS Review over there.

 

IDK abt other models. But you have to narrow it down to specs you prefer really. For me I had a tough time carrying my old 7lb gaming laptop so this time I wanted something lighter.

The 8157 fit that category perfectly: balanced config with 1070, enough ports to run multiple 4k displays and portable enough to fit in my bag.

This is a laptop with a good cooling system = more fans = more noise. I havent seen a gaming laptop not making fan noise. In fact if it doesnt ill be wary of its cooling capacity. Fan curves out of the box were good (having issues recently), fan speed/volume increases only on high gaming load. Otherwise super silent. If you wear headphones you cant really hear any fan noise tbh.

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Yeah I got my blade because my AW was too big and heavy to carry around all the time and kind of rushed into the purchase only looking at Razer and MSI and Aorus/Gigabyte. I did not think/realize Sager/Clevo had some that really are not so thick and heavy. I got a NP5855 for a friend of mine and it looked somewhat bulky in the pictures and I did not look at dimensions before we ordered it however when he got it yesterday and I got to look at it and hold it I realized it really is not very big or heavy and almost instantly made me want to sell my laptop and get Sager.

mxm+desktop cpu is not a huge deal to me it is not going to be a DTR or anything I care more about the portability. I just knew some other models supported MXM and I wasn't sure if this did and I know the 15" model I saw that does support those specs and also has TB3 is like 1.5" thick and weighs 7.5 pounds and that's just too much for what I need it for.

This 8157 seems to fit my needs perfectly, or even the model below it with the same dimensions as a 5855 with a 1060 would fit my needs I just wish they had TB3 to further future proof my laptop but at the end of the day I don't know how important it will really be as long as I have USB-C. Whelp, I have some thinking I need to do and potentially find someone to buy my crapbook heh.

 

Only the desktop CPU gaming systems use MXM GPU models.

 

My previous post is definitely correct in this regard, I don't know what all the other companies offer but if you have a PCIex4 M.2 in slot no.1 then it disables the M.2 slot no.2. This is why we have the text in the product overview that was quoted previously and also why we have both PCIe and SATA drives as an option in M.2 slot 1 but only SATA and LTE options in M.2 slot 2.

I had a conversation with the Clevo engineering team about this specific point in November 2015, the best way for me to illustrate my point would be for me to post the diagrams that they sent through to illustrate why this is, but these diagrams are internal Clevo material and don't appear in the user or service manual so I can't post them here for now. I have asked Clevo if they mind me posting it here - if they say yes I'll follow this up as it seems some other companies may not be aware of this information.

I would say that the spec pdfs and even the user manual do all say 2x M.2 SATA RAID 0/1 OR 1x PCIe x4. It doesn't explicitly say that you can't run (M.2) 1x PCIe x4 and 1x SATA III, but it came up in our pre-production testing and it should really be common knowledge (I think I've discussed this on nbr before but sure it's been lost in the millions of posts!!!).

There is no factory option to change the functionality explained below.

[ HSIO stands for high-speed input-output ] This is how the HSIO Multiplexing is arranged in the PCH-H:


Intel HM170 chipset supports 4x SATA, these HSIOs equate to SATA #0, 1, 2 and 3.

SATA 2 and 3 are used by the HDDs.

The other two SATA channels are assigned to the two M.2 ports (one to each of course)

Two of the four PCIe HSIOs overlap the two SATA channels which are assigned to the two M.2 slots.

When you install a PCIe x4 drive into M.2 slot 1, these two overlapped HSIOs switch from SATA #0 and 1 to PCIe 9 and 10 - this switching does exactly that, it doesn't only disable SATA #0 but also SATA #1 which is why it's then not possible to run a SATA M.2 in the second slot if you have PCIe x4 in the first M.2 slot.

If Clevo let me share their diagram I will update this post, but I hope the above text explains it clearly enough.

Now if you want to run a PCIe x4 drive in M.1 slot 1 and a UMTS/LTE module in M.2 slot 2, this is possible because the LTE modules run off the USB bus and not the SATA ;-)

 

Cool thanks for the info, still interest in the np 8157 if I can sell my laptop rather than a desktop cpu model as I think those are just too big and too much for me I need something more portable than a DTR right now. Out of curiosity what is the difference with the Prema bios compared to normal ones if I ordered from someone other than hidevolution? I read something on techinferno and I thought those special bios were only for MXM model laptops, are there special ones for these BGA models that are only available through HID? Kicking myself right now for buying a laptop and not having the patience to wait a little longer and look around a little more.

If I got one I would probably put a 1tb NVME drive in slot 1 but the thought of being able to add LTE intrigued me if I manage to get this laptop. Good to know I can still do that if I wanted to.

 

I don't know who is better or worse. But this is my 4th laptop from GentechPC. I haven't had any issues with them. Great service, and fast turnaround. As for my laptop, GentechPC offered free CoolLaboratories liquid paste. So that is what I've opted for. Should be receiving my new laptop on Monday. Once i get it, I'll scavenge some components from my previous MSI laptop, and use it. Will upgrade the components later on this year.

 

I still have an old Sony XBR2 SXRD projector which I use when i am at home. I run windows 10 on it to watch movies, games, and browsing. Recently, I bought Spyder5 Pro from Amazon. I used it to calibrate the SXRD rear projector screen, and the difference is night and day. I do not use the bundled software, but downloaded and configured the freeware (DisplayCAL) as advised by many many people.

Once I get my laptop next week, that is the first thing I'll do. In case you are new to Display Calibration, it can be a bit confusing as to what is actually being done here.

There really isn't any calibration that is / can be applied directly to the display hardware. What it does (under windows 10/8/7) is that the software and the colorimeter combo measures the color on your screen, and compares what is being recorded and should be recorded. It then makes adjustments to your display profile under windows and it gets applied at each boot up.

I love the results, and I think it was definitely worth it.

 

Wow, thanks for the in-depth help. You saved me about 70$

Well, I really what a 120 screen, so the option of IPS goes straight out D:

What do you guys think about the 17 inch MSIs vs this laptop?

 

Can anyone shed any light if going through HID specifically for the prema bios if I am able to buy one of these laptops is worth it if I do not necessarily have any plans to OC my laptop? Does it provide other benefits, and is HID the only place to get the bios from or can one download it later from somewhere else?

If I do buy one I definitely plan on buying a spyder 5 to calibrate my own display for a little more than double the price of what websites charge to calibrate it, I can calibrate all of my own displays and friends and families for life.

 

Wasn't always that way. The (now 7 years old) NP8690 used an MXM with mobile 1st gen i7 processors.

... And I do wish that was still the case in today's Sager/Clevo lineup.

 

Seconding, you'll have a great experience with any of LPC, HID, or XoticPC. Give @Donald@HIDevolution a shout if you want to buy from HID. Keep in mind of that set, only HID currently offers Prema's BIOS mods - unless something has changed, @pat@XOTICPC.

 

Hi all,

First post here, so please forgive any break of etiquette.

I've had an NP8157 for about two weeks now, which is a replacement for an NP8130. I'm very happy with the machine itself, except I've switched from a 95% gamut glossy screen on the 8130 to the default matte on the 8157. This is my first matte screen in almost six years and I'm experiencing what I think is called "screen door effect" on certain colors, particularly mid-blues. It reminds me of zooming in on Photoshop so the pixels separate into a spaced grid, though it's not that extreme. It also looks like the color depth is shallow (it reminds me of Windows 95) or the resolution is wrong. I've confirmed that I'm at native resolution and Windows 10 scaling is at 100%.

Here's a screenshot of the display settings. On my screen, the title bar and blue monitor field (marked 1) show the screen door effect.


http://imgur.com/a/gevXo

I contacted my vendor, who explained this was normal behavior for matte screens. Is this really normal behavior, and does anyone else see this on their 8157? Would this issue be remedied on a 120Hz or 4k panel? I'm not a hardware person, so apologies in advance if these are basic questions. Thanks in advance.

 

I see a lot about the NP8156 and NP8157 but never anything about the NP8155. Same chassis and everything but without the G-Sync and a slightly worse graphics card, right? I'm not looking to use it for gaming but for video and image editing so the 8155 seems like a good place to save a pretty hefty amount of money (around $200 with almost identical other specs) and maybe even eke out some additional battery life, right? (well, that or the NP6852)

 

I have the 8155 sir. The difference externally is that it only has 2 USB 3.0 ports (1 from each side) since this is a model A- design II. A lot of YouTube videos compare the performance between 1060 6Gb vs 3Gb which only has minor differences if you are using 1080p res. I'm just a casual gamer so its suits for me.

 

Welcome to NBR!

Your display settings look fine so far. Two things:
- have you completely/correctly installed both the Nvidia and Intel (if in MSHybrid mode; you only need the Nvidia drivers for Discrete, but you're better off having both up to date in case you switch) video drivers?
- can you confirm the exact panel model you have?

I disagree completely with your reseller. What you seem to be seeing (dithering/pixelation/what have you) is absolutely not normal for a matte screen of any type. Some panels - such as the 4K Samsung model in this series - use a PenTile matrix, which can be said to have a lower blue resolution, and is often referred to as "fake [resolution]". Some people see a visible pattern in PenTile displays. I personally never have, between all of the Samsung-display smartphones I've had, and the 4K display that was in my ill-fated P650RS-G. If you're on the base 1080p panel, it's unlikely you've got a PenTile one.

 

Agreed, been on matte screens for a long time. Never see a screen door affect only on certain colors... I'd want to examine it more closely tbh but that's not likely to happen.

I have a 4K, 4K pentile, 1440p, and 1080p matte screen set up... None of them have that. Either a crap coating or some other issue.

 

Well, huh. It's been awhile since I've set up a new rig and I now remember an error message while installing the Intel VGA driver from my vendor. I proceeded to install the Nvidia driver, which was successful. I thought perhaps they were mutually exclusive. So, I guess I need to install the VGA driver.

When I run the driver from the install interface, I receive this error message: "Device was not found or please enable it before installing its driver!!" When I navigate to the folder and manually run setup.exe for that driver, I receive this error message: "This computer does not meet the minimum requirements for installing the software." I tried disabling the GPU (Nvidia 1070) in the device manager, but I still receive the same error. It's worth noting that the only display adapter listed is Nvidia — there is no Intel adapter.

Any thoughts on how to get it to install? I'm on Windows 10 Pro 64. The driver package details say:

Release Version: Production Version
Package: 522828
Intel(R) Graphics Driver: 21.20.16.4541
Intel(R) Display Audio Driver: 6.16.00.3197 (Windows* 7)
Intel(R) Display Audio Driver: 10.22.00.0037 (Windows* 8.1/10)
7th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) processor family (Codename Kaby Lake)
Microsoft Windows* 10-64

Thanks for the replies, @k0nane and @Galm

 

@boober, you need to be in MSHybrid mode for your PC to see the iGPU at all. You can switch from the EFI, or using CCC.

Given that you're in Discrete mode, I think we can rule out drivers if you have the Nvidia ones installed correctly. I suppose it won't hurt to see what you get in MSHybrid mode though.

 

i had the same problem once after installing Windows 10 from scratch onto the Laptop for the first time. Bios was set to MSHybrid but the intel driver installation failed because of the minimum requirements... so i had to use the obsidian tool to install a newer version of the intel drivers - which worked fine.

 

@ k0nane Actually, I'm already in MSHybrid mode according to the Control Center software. I tried switching to Discrete last night to see if that had any effect, but it was still in MSHybrid after it rebooted.

@AndiiiHD Funny, I was just looking at that yesterday morning before I posted. I'll take a look at that today. Thanks.

 

there was a MSHybrid reporting bug in the Clevo Control Center, so with the older version 5.0001.1.05 it was not possible to switch vise versa correctly . Be sure to update with the obsidian tool or from clevo website to the latest version 5.0001.1.10 which works fine now.....

 

@AndiiiHD I installed Obsidian and successfully updated the Control Center. I still receive the "does not meet minimum requirements" error message when I attempt to update the Intel VGA driver through Obsidian. I am also unable to switch to Discrete mode via the Control Center (I select and reboot, but it's still in MSHybrid mode).

Would it be worth uninstalling the Nvidia driver (and maybe Control Center) to see if the Device Manager recognizes the Intel display adapter?

 

To install the Intel VGA you need to be in MSHybrid mode.
You can set that mode in BIOS.
I´m actually wondering about another thing. Which LCD panel do you have?

 

John—fantastic software, thank you.

According to the updated Control Center, I'm already in MSHybrid mode. My panel is the default 60Hz panel, listed as: 15.6" FHD (16:9) Anti-Glare Matte-Type IPS Screen (1920x1080) w/G-SYNC Technology. I've emailed XoticPC (my vendor) to ask for the manufacturer and model, but haven't heard back yet. I have also left a message asking for a call back on tech support.

This post at Intel describes my situation exactly: https://communities.intel.com/thread/83128

It was resolved by switching to the Intel VGA in the BIOS before installing the driver, so I may try that unless I hear from XPC before then.

 

Yeap check the value in BIOS, are you using the app Control Center?
If not you should.

 

+1 - and @boober, I'd have advised completely removing the old CCC before installing the new one. I wouldn't trust the version you were using further than I can throw it.

 

Actually by using the app in my sig there´s a bunch of checks that the app will do make sure that you uninstall the old version, RESTART, and then the app will preset a nice "RESUME" button after you restart. I took that extra mile because for CC to install perfect you need to uninstall / reboot / install.

Also i would add a extra step: turn off your system, press FN + D and power button, it will reset all NVRAM.

Re-apply BIOS settings like undervolt values if you had any.

 

I was able to switch BIOS mode to Discrete and install the Intel VGA driver. Now, the BIOS reads Discrete, but the Control Center says it's in MSHybrid. When I change to Discrete in the Control Center and reboot, the BIOS still says Discrete, but the Control Center lists MSHybrid. I rebooted, and set the BIOS to MSHybrid. The Control Center also listed MSHybrid. I rebooted one final time and set the BIOS to Discrete, but the Control Center again listed MSHybird. So, it seems like the Control Center doesn't recognize the switch at all.

Now that I've installed the VGA and still have a screen door effect, this is somewhat irrelevant to my original issue. @XoticPC - any further thoughts about my original post (below) and whether this may be a defect or if it is typical of matte? If it is typical for the default panel, would a 4k be any different?

 

@k0nane John@OBSIDIAN-PC The OBSIDIAN tool updated exactly as described with an uninstall, reboot, and install. The tool now shows I am on the latest version.

I spoke with a rep at XoticPC, and he suggested that what I'm seeing (screen door effect) might be due to the IPS/matte combination and suggested that upgrading the panel to the 120 Hz TN might help address what I'm seeing. To be clear, the rep did not try to upsell me at all — this is the very short version of our longer conversation.

Does anyone have experience in comparing the two screens (default 60 Hz IPS and 120 Hz TN) that can speak to any of this?

 

OK guys I just noticed this when doing a OCCT stress test. In HWiNFO64 I get for all cores in the max column "Power limit exceeded" what exactly does that mean and what can I do about it? My specs are in my sig. Thanks!!!

http://i.imgur.com/FeQgdHX.jpg

 

Another thing that's funny is when testing my cores are all locked to 34x but as soon as I stop the test they shoot up to 38x and then start fluctuating from there. Why don't they they ramp up to 38x during the test? I'm using throttlestop with an under-volt of -160.2mV. Thanks

 

Hey im getting the laptop on thursday, can u teach me how to use the software ?

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Thats normal behaviour. The 7700HQ single core multiplier is much higher (3,8GHz) and drops as soon as two (3,6GHz) three or four (3,4GHz) cores are activated. Intel does not tell you that and only praises the max. single Core Frequency in the datasheet.

 

The little question mark next to maximum clock:

Max Turbo Frequency
Max turbo frequency is the maximum single core frequency at which the processor is capable of operating using Intel® Turbo Boost Technology. Frequency is measured in gigahertz (GHz), or billion cycles per second.

If you are going to read data sheets then reading all of it is a must

 

FWIW I searched the re-sellers for a long time before deciding on my purchase. I ordered with HID and had quite a negative experience, which was disappointing after all the positive comments I had read on here about them. I canceled that order and I ended up ordering from GenTech PC and I couldn't of been happier laptop with how it went and the laptop itself. I ended up getting a much faster SSD from GenTech without paying much more as well. So better deal all round for me. Good luck!

 

It's me again trying to figure out some more stuff concerning the ThrottleStop. I have a under volt of -180.6mV for the CPU Core and that shows the -180.6mV, I also have teh CPU Cache under volted to the same thing except is doesn't show the -180mV. Instead it shows +0.0000. Shouldn't it also show the -180.6mV?

http://i.imgur.com/bdQ9lT5.jpg

 

Yes should also be shown. Maybe you should post it in the throttlestop thread....

 

Hi guys, any opinions on a P650 HS-G GTX 1070 vs an Aorus X5 V7 GTX 1070? They both seem to have similar screens if I get the 120hz options and cpu, ram and storage wise they offer what I need. Size doesnt matter much to me so for me that's a tie too. The only thing I'm a bit surprised by is that the Aorus seems to perform noticeably better in games and benchmarks (around 10-20%) despite having the same or similar specs. Is there any reason for this? I actually thought it would be the other way around since the Clevo is thicker.

 

Wondering if anyone can help me. I'm planning to get a 8157, and have it configured with a 512gb nvme M.2 SSD, and also a 2tb firecuda spinner. I'm choosing the option to install windows 10 myself, and plan to use the media creation tool to create a bootable flash drive. When I get my laptop, do I need to do anything special in the bios or remove the 2nd hdd to install win 10 on the SSD? Or it it just a case of plugging in the USB and setting that as the first boot option and go from there?

It's just I've read conflicting reports about installing windows 10 on an NVME SSD, and things relating to UEFI/fastboot/MBR partitions, and having 2 drives present that I don't fully understand.

Thanks

 

Hello. Is it okay to leave the fans at max speed during hours of gaming? Um, negative effects in the long run?

 

The manual suggests that you have the fans at full speed while gaming so I would assume it to be ok.


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