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Hey Guys,

I wanted to upgrade my laptop. I've never sold one online before. Anyone know the best place to sell my used Sager NP8157 / Clevo P650HS-G? How much should I sell it for?

Sager NP8157 / Clevo P650HS-G
7th Gen Intel® Core™ Kaby Lake i7-7820HK
32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2400MHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5
15.6" Full HD, 120Hz 5ms Matte Display with G-SYNC Technology
Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260
512GB Samsung 960 Pro + 1TB 7200rpm HDD
Windows 10 Home

Thanks very much!

 

Ebay or the members market here I guess.

 

Today I got an issue that my screen started to show a random pixel colored stuff when I am booting my laptop. What is going on? Not even SAGER logo is shown.

 

Could be a gpu issue. Does 3d run ok?

 

Found out there was a problem between my GPU and heatsink. The contact was not correctly made because of the thermal pad stickers.

 

Thermal pad stickers? Just remember that pads are needed for the VRMs still.

 

Hy,
I have got a Santech C57 (Clevo P65XHP) I need a bios to undervolt CPU.
Please could You tell me which is the last bios for P65XHP?
Thanks for all

 

You can undervolt using XTU or Throttlestop. Guess most people use these softwares to undervolt

 

Thanks, I have used XTU to undervolt.

 

Thanks, I have used XTU to undervolt.

 

Starting to get screen burn in on my P650 if I leave a static image on the screen for too long. Does anyone else experience this problem?

 

Mine is 3.5 years old. Most of the time I have some sort of background selected and I have a hideous amount of icons on it, but I don''t see any retention at all.

 

Damn mine's showing signs of wear then. I was installing something that took quite a while and I left to do some stuff. After coming back and using the laptop I noticed that there's a ghost image of the installation dialog in my screen which disappears after a while of use.

 

In all fairness, what's the life expectancy of a laptop? Assuming you don't leave it at the bar, coffee shop or airport, I might give EOL at 4 years. I'm already shopping for the next one.... maybe. Perhaps take a screen capture, edit it and use as your background?

As soon as I get all of my development crap off into virtual machines, I'll pull it apart and try again to reset the heatsink/pipe. I'm running hot. ClevoServices is idling at 14% cpu and I'm at 58C. Gaming - I can fry an egg. I don't recall it ever running cool, so maybe there was an issue forever. Anyway, if after that I can't get the temp down, I'll replace the heatsink assembly - $50 off ebay. Meanwhile, I'm spooling up a Ryzen 3900x server to hold my portable VMs.

 

Depends on the machine and the use case really. That and also user expectations.

 

Yeah to add on to Meaker's post, other than my screen having burn in, I can continue using the laptop for my work and gaming. I've already got a rig for heavy gaming, I just use my laptop for school and some light gaming when I'm away from my main rig.

 

A screen can be fairly easily replaced if you have burn in.

 

I've done screen replacements on thinkpads before, will there be any difference on the P650? Also, do you know which panel does the P650 uses?

 

There were a variety of panels, you can find yours using the hardware ID or a hardware identification software like HWinfo.

 

So 6 or so months ago, I posted some questions and comments on the temperatures I'm running with the PS-650HS I have. Most of the time, the high temps are driven by gaming, and I was certainly having some thermal related shutdowns. We're talking cpu temps in excess of 90C. Attached are the photos of the IC Diamond paste that is probably a year old? Maybe, not sure when I did it. This morning I re-pasted with Kryonaut.

Using Prime95, I can peg the cpu at 100%, and the temp climbs and holds to 80C. This is about what I would expect running a torture test like this. Ambient in my office is 24C. Doing light work (like typing this message), I'm at 3% cpu and 48C on the CPU, so still running warm. The laptop is 3.5 years old, so I'm not sure how much longer I'll mess with it. Might be worth it to replace the heatsink assembly as a final test - getting prices for that now.

 

Interesting that both cores have aberrations in the pattern around the middle.

 

saw the same thing, really, really cleaned the dies well. Was thinking about some emory cloth... no, that's a joke. surprised me.

 

That would get into lapping

 

Hi,
I have a clevo P650HP6 thats 3 years old now. I got a motherboard failure 3 months ago, just before covid. Finally got the repairs done on mobo and everything seemed fine, but after booting windows I found that the graphics card is not working. It shows error 43 something on device start, and sometimes doesn't. The error can be easily removed by just disabling and enabling gpu from device manager. I have tried all the software steps that I can think of, including removing all display drivers, installing the base drivers that can on system at the time of purchase, and installing the latest drivers. All uninstalls were done using DDU. I am left with different messages on the three drivers tested in GPUZ, with the most information shown in absence of any gpu driver. The following is the GPUZ output -
With windows basic driver (no nvidia driver) - https://ibb.co/NKrC636
With laptop launch driver from 2017 - https://ibb.co/pZ1V69R
With latest July 2020 drivers - https://ibb.co/2qXXHCZ

While the information shown is different, one constant is that the both gpu memory and gpu clock speed is not detected in any version. Despite this, device manager doesn't show any device error, and if it does show error code 43, it can be solved by just disabling and enabling the gpu via device manager.

The thing that made it more weird to me is that I am unable to connect any external display to the laptop, neither wired nor wirelessly. The HDMI and both mini display ports don't work, and even miracast shows the tv, but is unable to connect.

Can anyone suggest any remedy that I can try? Thanks for any suggestions

 

What does it do in dedicated graphics mode? (BIOS)

 

In dedicated graphics mode, the laptop screen doesn't turn on. I had to go to the repair shop again and I assume they removed and inserted CMOS battery to reset the bios.

 

Then unfortunately I'd say the GPU is dying either due to a solder issue or electronically.

 

Hello.
What actually the latest bios for P650HS-G?
Why my IntelXTU doesn't work? The CCenter is installed. (I can't change screen brightness without CC in mshybrid mode, only in discrete)

 

I have simillar issue when i install drivers from nvidia in dedicated mode - monitors are black. Need to use version 389.27 nvidia
You can reset CMOS by
1) Hold down FN+D, and press the power button on
2) Continue to hold the FN+D buttons for 20 seconds
3) A blue box with information in it will appear on your screen, press enter and the system will reboot.
4) Press F2 and go to bios, set the date and time.
5) Then press F3 to load defaults, save and exit bios.

Mpst probably its related to wrong BIOS firmware. Mechanically clevo is great but (my also have more than 3 years)

 

Hey guys,

I reinstalled my OS and was wondering if anyone has a link to the latest Clevo Control Center that will work on my P650-HS, or any alternative for controlling fans and gaming?

Thanks for your help!

 

Hopefully you can find something here:
https://www.clevo.com.tw/en/e-services/download/ftpOut.asp?Lmodel=P6xxHS&ltype=9&submit=+GO+

 

Thanks! I did look there, however that version is pretty old (2017/1/12). Was wondering if there was a newer one available?

 

Keep looking down that list. There are a number of different versions, although nothing really recent. The latest appears be from 2018/5/29.

 

www.obsidian-pc.com is your friend. You have to pay a few bucks for the tools but your model, like mine, is very sensitive to what is installed. Clevo's control center is to be avoided.

 

That sounds about right for the age of the machine.

 

I'm going to assume your OS is Windows, most likely Windows 10 of some variety, Here is the Clevo collection of drivers and manuals for laptops, including the P650 HS
Their drivers and manuals link is: https://www.clevo.com.tw/EN/E-SERVICES/Download/default.asp

You would want to choose P6xxHS/P67xHPx from the dropdown I believe, that link is: https://www.clevo.com.tw/EN/E-SERVICES/download/ftpOut.asp?Lmodel=P6xxHS&ltype=9&submit=+GO+
but it may not allow you to go directly through that link.

I use an incredible fan control software from Obsidian, a Clevo reseller. I bought it, if you buy your computer from them they provide it for no cost, I believe. I tried several free options and found that the GitHub laptop fan controller (name I don't recall) worked OK with presets from an Asus ROG machine similar to the P650, but it required better understanding of programming, firmware, and OS's than I have (I'm a computer information systems student in my final semester of a bachelor's degree, so have better than average knowledge and experience with such things, though significantly less than a computer scientist or programmer.)

The $20 or $30 for the Obsidian software is well worth it, to me. It has a really well thought out and well done user interface that feels far more intuitive than alternatives and gives complete control over your fans.

There is an awesome collection of software to download from https://my.hidrive.com/share/yze8mg-wf8#$/ I recommend checking that out as well, they probably also have the drivers for your laptop along with a very nice collection of excellent software to download. I've never used their OS downloads, but notice they provide several versions of Windows and Linux with things like Balena Etcher that you would need to make a LiveUSB of Linux OS within Windows.

That hidrive site has backup software, benchmarking and testing software, BIOS and firmware, drivers MS Office, as well as a really nice selection in their software package folder that include VLC, WinRar, Filezilla, and several vendor specific SSD managers. I would bookmark that link.

 

Hello all. I created an account just to get some help from you all.
I own a P650HS-G with i7-7700 and GTX 1070. Since last year I've been having a problem.
Anytime I install a new Nvidia Driver, my display freezes. So now I'm stuck with the initial driver provided by the manufacturer (as of currently, version 388.75)

Other than that, I have no issue. The laptop's been three and a half years old now.
I'm not at all savvy with any of tech or laptops but I can follow instructions.
So if you need me to provide some data or run some tests for purposes of diagnosis, just tell me what to do and I'll do it.

To be frank; I have no idea where to start looking. If anyone's got a similar problem to mine (I'm sorry I haven't read all 200+ pages of posts) then maybe
you can help me out.

Thanks in advance.

 

Hey! I have had the same problem with my P650HP6-G with a 1060 since the near end of 2020. I’ve not found any solutions other than sticking to the OEM Nvidia drivers from 2017. I’ve tried literally everything, but Windows freezes (the Nvidia driver name appears in the dump). This manifests as the display freezing. The only way I’ve undone this is by booting into safe mode and removing the Nvidia driver with DDU. I was guessing it was a GPU problem, but it has been working fine with the laptop display, so with your post I’m starting to think it is a software problem. I have no idea how to proceed, however. HIDevolution has just said that my product is EOL, so not many hardware fixes can be done.

Could this be a Windows issue? Older Nvidia drivers have not worked either.

PS: Does your HDMI still work? It has caused lasting artifacts on my monitor — sounds like a hardware problem to me, but I’m just curious.

 

Hold on that is almost exactly like my problem. Yes! I can install new drivers on MSHYBRID mode but I realize the laptop just flat out refuses to use my dedicated GPU for anything. So when I force the laptop to use the dedicated GPU, again, my display freezes. If I change to DISCRETE my display freezes.

I also have been like you, noticing artifacts once in a while in my display. Nothing major, just some pink lines that travel upwards to about halfway up. All I had to do was close the lid / restart, and the problem is fixed. I haven't had any major inconvenience other than the occasional artifact and the fact that I can't update.

Yes I also have been reinstalling OEM drivers thru booting into safe mode, uninstalling the problem driver with DDU, then installing the most recent drivers provided by manufacturers. I haven't tried the HDMI yet. Maybe I will after work.

Funny thing is, I own a 7yo Clevo P150HM with a modded gtx 680m and it's been working fine past its EOL period.

 

It most certainly can me a Microsoft issue. I'm assuming that you are running on the same OS install after 3.5 years? Prior to Windows 10, Windows suffered from a slow accumulation of entropy. Windows 10 is better, but maybe a cheap new SSD and a re-install as a sanity check.

You've also touched in an area which makes me wonder about your GPU - which could be failing. Are you able to see the temperatures? An overheating GPU (bad thermal paste, flaky fan) might cause the issue you are seeing. Note that GPUs designed for gaming push far more power through them than a typical basic computer GPU.

 

I'm on Windows 10 1909 (November 2019)

I do believe my GPU is probably failing due to age. I will ask a technician for a re-paste some day just to be sure.
What I'm worried about, is if there's nothing I could do about it.
I'm way past warranty and lost the original packaging. I want to send it back to Obsidian-PC so they can check it but they don't do free pickups past warranty.
I want to make sure I do everything I can on my end first, before spending the money on packaging, and sending it over for repair, and then have them charge me the return fee.

So you're suggesting I grab a cheap SSD and just install the latest Windows 10 on it? I can probably do that. Any other things I should try on? How would you check temperatures?

Sorry I'm a total noob.

 

I would contact them first before sending anything back. I've been inside my unit (bought from another supplier). The GPU is soldered to the motherboard, so it could be a gpu thing or a motherboard thing. They should be able to tell you if they have parts, but I only give that a 10% likelihood. You might get more mileage from a reputable local repair shop.

So before repasting anything, get a fan control program or a hw monitor just to see what your temps are. Google for hwmonitor, hwsysinfo (both free), or go check Obsidian's site. They may have a 30 day free license allowing you to sanity check. Obviously if you run hot, there's your clue. Fix that first.

As for the SSD, yes, 128GB are about $20 now, more than enough to get a completely clean install.

At some point, you'll have either solved the problem, or come to the conclusion it's time for a new laptop... post your temps if you get that far.

 

Sanity check? what's that? How would I go about checking for it? How would I post temps?
thanks again bruv.

 

Sorry, by sanity check I mean start with the simplest test possible. Temperatures. Also make sure your heatsinks are clear. Why? Well, when you go to discrete graphics (meaning using your 1070), the GPU will heat up. If it overheats, normally, the system will just turn itself off. However, a high temp GPU on the edge could malfunction within, or it might heat the motherboard where it's attached. If you have a dodgy solder connection, you might see the hang and artifacts.

So, start simple and fix the easiest thing first. If overheating, fix that. If it still misbehaves, get a new SSD and install a fresh copy of Windows on it.

If we're still misbehaving, you'll either have to put it in a shop or consider replacement. But don't go there yet.

 

Is there some kind of program I could run it for a couple minutes and then it'll give me some numbers like:
Max Temp reached, Avg. Temp during the runtime, Clock Speed, and whether or not I throttled and when.

Or maybe a program that shows my GPU numbers at all times when running games or apps, so I could monitor the behavior of my GPU?
Is that what HWmonitor and Fan Control is? Okay imma go check them out.

My heatsinks are clear. By that I mean not dusty or dirty.

Thanks again.

 

Intel XTU graphs performance I suppose.

 

Okay so I took cgilley's advice and installed HWiNFO and looked at my sensor status. I downloaded Unigine Superposition benchmark and ran it on Game Mode until I see either thermal throttling.
After about 20 min, my fans hit max speed as the temp reads 80c. With the fans being at max it kinda stays there, crawling up to 84c after another 30min.

So. after about an hour on Game mode I get a max temp of 84c, pulling close to 150W.
Is that something to be concerned about? Is that hot? Ideas to cool it down? I already am propping the laptop up with a stand (but not a cooling pad).

In my 3 years of using the machine I do notice the fan going at max after about 20-30 min of gaming (Witcher 3, Dragon Age Inquisition, XCOM 2, Borderlands 2, Divinity Original Sin 2, GTA V) but I never really ever looked at temps until just now.

Thanks for the advice. I'm trying to do all I can on my end before sending it to a technician for a potential repaste / reseating. I also contacted Obsidian-PC through their support ticket.

To remind everyone: My issue was that I cannot install any other driver except the ones provided by Clevo resellers and as of today the most current is 388.75. If I installed any other driver, my display would just freeze completely.

Edit: I don't know if I've throttled. I don't think I have, considering I haven't seen any dip in performance or clock speed. Maybe if I run it much longer I would eventually throttle.

 

You can use GPU-z or MSI afterburner to monitor clocks.

 

My artifacts appear on my external monitor after a while (I've tried it on 2 monitors, one started flickering after an hour of gaming, and one started flickering immediately after use - probably because I tested the second monitor after I did so with the first). The flickering lasted for a while, which I tested by plugging it into another PC. Oddly enough, the monitor stopped flickering after 2-3 days after I plugged it in my laptop. Just to clarify, I have not had any visual artifacts on my internal screen.

Yes, it is the same OS install. Maybe I'll get around reinstalling soon. I am able to see the temperatures through programs like Speccy or MSI Afterburner. Is there anything I should look for? I am still confused as to how a graphics card can cause semi-permanent flickerings on an external monitor, even after it is unplugged (not to mention it left an afterimage of my taskbar on the monitor for a week or so).

 

I really hope I can resolve this, HIDevolution has said that they do not have the capability (the parts) to fix this potential problem. I really am confused by the inability to install drivers though. Glad to know it isn't just me.

EDIT: Here is another thread I found regarding a similar issue.