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Where have you seen someone with a P750DM or 16L13 getting 4+ hours of battery? Resellers seem to advertise up to 2 hours.

 

@win32asmguy reported over 4 hrs on the 16L13 - also look at the notebookcheck review. For some reason it is hard to do this with the P750DM2-G. The bottom line is that the 6700K is a very flexible processor. Not sure if future generations will be though.

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More like 3.5 hours while actually using it, it seems. Still impressive, but too short for me

 

Well you won't get much over 4 hrs with a P650RS-G. I don't recall which but one of those LGA 15" laptops has a swappable battery.

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i completely agree, manufacturers are lowering standards on displays by a lot. I'va had quite a few laptops, phones, monitors, tvs... and the lighbleeding and dead pixels issues are increasing over the years at a scary rate as its production price goes down. As well as sudden death of the devices, overheating.... Nowadays not even a 2k laptop can be free of lightbleeding or other manufacturing issues

You may be right there, but even in that case they shouldn't sell products with clear flaws in 90% of the models, or not sell it as a super high top quality thing (and price). I can understand the occasional problem here and there, but selling stuff increasingly faulty is just greed, lowering production costs trying to increase benefits. Like the monitor of the pc I'm using, it's 1080p 60hz and after 8 is still flawless, no dead pixels nor the slightiest lightbleeding, I paid about 200€ for it. Nowadays something this quality (not specs) is 5 times more expensive and will likely have some bleeding or flaw.

I think we are just dropping quality standards just to have more raw power everywhere

Don't take me wrong, I still love the laptop, but for example the poor screen/panel clevo that clevo chosed/designed is just not acceptable in a 2k laptop (or the awfully buggy CCC they give us)

 

The requirements for a laptop panel and a desktop panel are very different. Power/space are big requirements and 200 euros would be a significant fraction of the cost of the machine too.

 

I know, I was using it as an example, I've never had lighbleeding in my laptops either, maybe it was not the best comparison though, you're right

 

Mine lasts 4.5-5 hours during web browsing. That 1/1.5 hour makes all the difference for my purposes.

 

Ah okay I haven't gotten that much. Maybe it's the 4k screen.

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Yeah, probably. I have the 1080p one, and from what I've seen 4k panels are tough on the battery.

 

Yes the 4k panels have a much higher base usage of power which in idle where fractions of a watt matter makes a big difference.

 

EDIT: Update on keyboard backlight colouring: I found out today that .NET reflector can open the kbcolorpicker.exe and it reveals all the source code and images. In here there must be some more information as to whether the keyboard backlighting can be changed and if the keys are independently coloured. I will look into this further but if anyone else is interested in potential ways to modify keyboard backlight colour profiles, please also take a look!


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For me, the 6700hq + GTX 1060 is perfect. I know the 1070 is miles ahead, but the 20% price difference at time of purchase was a deterrent for me. Do you think a GTX 1060 will become a minimum requirement for gaming in the next 4/5 years?

On another note I have completed my portability setup now. With a medium sized Wacom tablet, a 3dconnexion space navigator, Logitech G13 game board and G602 mouse, steam controller, PS4 controller, and an ASUS USB IPS 15.6 portable monitor.

All I need now is desk setup to be completed, I want the Acer predator 24inch 3D LED monitor, it's £200 at the moment which is insane ! But the 3D thing is a gimmick and I know it!

Internally I am almost there too. 2tb HDD, 960GB SATA SSD, and 256gb NVMe (I considered a bigger one but realised I'm not rich). 16gb RAM is what's holding me back when I know I can have 64 but I probably wont.

 

Wow! I didn't expect the difference to be that big.

Yet, in the P65x which one do you recommend? FHD or the 4k? I had a W230SS with 3K and now I am using a GS43VR with FHD, it isn't that bad but not as good as the W230SS. How is it for the 15"? I need a machine for some gaming, but mostly for working when abroad (running CUDA code on the GPU).

 

Wondering if any of you guys are having this issue -

I am using MSHybrid and I have a model with a GTX1070. About once a day I get a BSOD for dxgkrnl.sys, DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE. This started happening when I set my power management mode to adaptive in Nvidia control panel in an attempt to get better temperatures overall. With adaptive I get about 40C idle, 80C load.

So, I set it to "prefer maximum performance", which I read that other forums will assist with the BSOD issue on 376.33, but after about 30 minutes of gaming, the temperatures will reach the 90s and then the computer will just shut off due to overheating. I am always using fans at maximum.

Using discrete mode, I don't get the BSOD, but then my temperatures are like 70C idle.

In an attempt to fix this, I have tried: clean install of NVIDIA 376.33 drivers, update of Intel 530 drivers, reset of NVRAM, reinstall of CCC without XTU (suspected I had the fan table issue), updated BIOS to 1.05.06LS2 from my reseller.

Anyone else having a similar issue with temperatures or dxgkrnl BSODs?

 

1080p for 15.6" IMO unless you have a specific need.

 

Something's definitely wrong with your laptop. Mine stays at 33-39C at idle, about 73C at heavy load. Always in discrete and maximum performance in nvidia panel. With undervolt though.

Did you undervolt the unit? In any case those temps are terrible even for stock. It even shuts down itself

 

I agree there's something going on - I was getting temps like yours and always using discrete until one day I clicked custom fan profiles in CCC and all the problems with heat started, which made me mess with drivers, use MSHybrid, update BIOS, etc. (The fan table problem with CCC and XTU is documented around page 400 here)

I am undervolted by 125mv. Not sure how to proceed at this point besides a Windows reinstall or repasting.

 

With temperatures like that something could be physically wrong. The thermal paste and heatsink could do with an inspection. If you are not comfortable looking or your warranty has any terms about that then I would be contacting your reseller.

 

Hi, over at XMG:

https://www.mysn.de/driver/XMG/XMG_P507_P707/BIOS/

They've posted an updated EC today, 1.05.05TR. I've flashed it on my P670RS-G with no adverse effects. Changelog reads FlexiCharge fix.

Also, the 1.05.07a BIOS there seems to work well too.

(Specifically, the below two files)
12.01.2017 11769023 XMG_P507_1070_P707_1060_1070_BIOS_1.05.07a.zip
17.01.2017 3173814 XMG_P507_1070_P707_1060_1070_EC_1.05.05TR.zip

 

This happened to me last week. I updated to the current XMG BIOS (.08 maybe?) and updated Windows, and it hasn't happened since. Temperatures are now much better too.

 

Hey guys. I've been a long time lurker but today seems to be the day I post

I just turned on my p650rs (1070 4k) and look what I see: https://goo.gl/photos/bisMPKs2X7yE9UTH6

There's a light border around the edges. It's not IPS glow or backlight bleed; it wasn't there yesterday.

I'm posting this 30 minutes after taking that picture and it looks like the glow is slowly getting dissipated.

It's almost completely gone but it's still there, just very faint.

I wonder if this is normal? My service provider is currently swamped with other service requests so I don't really want to get my machine out of commission for long.

 

I had a temp problem fixed by uninstalling CCC and nvram reset followed by install CCC without XTU. Check my sig for info on nvram reset.

 

I've seen this before but not in a while. I thought maybe it was temperature related. Mine went away over time.

 

IMO, the FHD would better fit your needs. For me it's perfect. Not only the screen, but also the battery life. My laptop comes with 1060, and I'm getting around 5:30 hours in battery.

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Wow that's amazing battery life (relatively). Mine is a 1070 with 4k display and I can only get about two hours while on mshybrid

 

I think the 4k display and the 1070 might uses a lot of power... I was also surprised when I get this time. I have around -125 undervolted as well, what helps a lot, around 40minutes more battery life


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I am still curious, was there any changing for the fans on the latest bios? Because I still think they are too nervous. Anybody tried this and can compare it?

 

I personally gave up with the fan profiles in discrete. They kick in with the nvidia at 49C and stay at the same speed until 80C. Doesn't make any sense, but it's what clevo gave us. There's always hybrid for a quieter profile

 

The recent ec/bios update seems to have finally fixed the clevo charger bug

I am happy - but`ll restart my notebook some more - just to be sure

Best regards

phila

 

Yes, it works now!

 

What exactly is the flexicharge and what was the issue? Just wondering how essential it is to update the BIOS. Thanks.


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Flexicharge lets you select what level the machine should charge the battery to so you are not always taking it to 100%, this can help preserve the life of the battery by reducing incidental charging.

 

Off topic question as a supporter of gaming laptops. Just curious on how clevo resellers get their business going or what would be the profit margin for the small businesses selling clevo laptops. For example let's say Sager/Eurocom/Prostar etc. sells a laptop for $1600 with GTX 1070. I was just wondering how much the barebone would have costed them or their final profit?

 

Thanks for the answer. Wow! With a 60Wh battery? The GS43VR surpassingly has a 63Wh battery and doesn't reach more than 4:30!

I wonder if i should I go with the 1060 then over a 1070. I don't game much, but upgrading to it won't get me off the budget my Uni set.

 

Hi there, just curious whether the laptop can be charged via the USB-C port?

 

Guys, since getting my machine P650RP6-G I never had any temp problems. GPU would only reach max 78°C while playing games that would occasionally push it up to 95% usage with Overclock Fan profile. But there is this one time where I was converting videos with 100% CPU usage and the temp reach up to 94°C! This is stock voltage. This happened when TS would forget my -150mv undervolt if I don't reopen it after waking from sleep. Is this normal? I have ICD repasted by Sager. I know I can get away with the undervolt but I just want to know if this temp at stock voltage means bad paste job?

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I'd say bad paste job. I think the Sager's ICD paste is the same as stock paste. I'm probably wrong but it's just my opinion. I ended up repasting mine that was factory ICD diamond pasted as I was getting 95-99 degrees with CPU (not at first, this was after 3 months use) and GPU was 75-80. I then repasted with Gelid Extreme and undervolted to -150 and my temps now with Firestrike stress test and other games (with max fan speed) are CPU 72, GPU 68. When I use auto fans CPU 76 GPU 74. So yeah repasting and undervolt made a huge difference for me. It's actually very easy to do on this machine. It was the first laptop I'd ever repasted.


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Thanks, maybe I'll just do a repaste. I also ordered the same laptop for my cousin but from Eluktronics (mine from Sager). They don't offer any repaste. When I benchmarked the 2 laptops side by side, the performance AND temperature was the same! Considering my laptop is just 3 months older but with ICD, I expected mine to perform better temperature-wise compared to stock paste. Unless Eluktronics repasted their units without advertising it.

 

The 1070 shouldn't be active with MShybrid. So I think that's the display.

 

So for those interested, I just repasted my gpu and cpu with kryonaut. Stress testing the setup now and so far after 15 mins max 75°C for gpu and 73°C for cpu (auto fans, -150mv). Previously my gpu would shoot to 79°C a minute after running. Cpu is cooler too with 77°C before repasting.
I noticed before removing the old paste, the entire square area of the heatsink facing tha cpu/gpu is exactly filled with paste. Is their repasting job done by robots? Or they have a precut slab of paste they put on the heatsink? I was assuming they do the repasting manually like we do.

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Guys, I currently have a 250 GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD and a HGST 7200rpm 1TB HDD on my P650RSG and was looking forward to upgrading (adding) more storage and I need your opinion. I install all my games on the HDD since they're HUGE and occupy a lot of space which is why I'm running out of space. I'm thinking of getting a 2TB HDD, since storage is my primary requirement. I may consider a 1TB SSD since they're speedy, but they're just too costly I've never opened the rear panel on this machine and do not know how many slots there are. Can someone explain please?

I came across this on Newegg but I'm not sure if it's compatible with my current setup -
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822179110

Oh and I just undervolted to -160.2mV, will test this out and see if it further lowers down temperatures.

 

There are 2 Slots fpr 2.5 HDD/SSD. As the seagate your link points to is 7mm only it should easily fit in.

Just out of curiousity: I "undervolted" my CPU the adaptive way by 125mV - still the real voltage (as shown in TS) does not change at all... it keeps hovering around 1.0669 V. I wonder: I am the only one...

Best regards

phila

 

Nice, yeah those temps appear more like everyone else now. Yeah that mess of pasting I noticed too which led me to believe the $35 ICD Diamond paste upgrade is a hoax. I paid for it and just like you I noticed the whole square being covered in nice smooth thin layer of paste as of a robot applied it lol. Either they all are just standard ICD Diamond paste and your upgraded paste is just extra cash or they don't repaste when you order the better paste.


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Hello Guys,

i am from Germany and i recently brought a Notebook based on the Clevo P650RS-G Barebone for 1400€. One i7 6700HQ paired with a GTX 1070. I want to Upgrade the 500GB HDD and the 8GB DDR4.
Do you think its still a good price? You can get a Asus GL502VS for 1500€ in Germany too? Better choice?
What other modifications would you recommend? Which Bios etc.?
How would you set up this gaming notebook when its used primary for gaming? Which Driver, Software etc.?
I am new in this thread so please be merciful with me. My english is not so good too.
Thank in advance.

Bye

 

After updating to the latest XMG EC and BIOS my idle temps jumped about 8-10celcius from 39 now up to 47C.

This happen to anyone else?

 

Hey guys the ec Version before the latest update did break the fan tables again, in custom setings the fans started at 50-51 pertty noisy and stopped at 49 until the temp went up to 50-51 again.

howdoes the latest ec Version behave in that matter? im afraid of flashing it.

 

I did flash all the latest Bios/EC Versions and did not experience this issue - at least not in direct connection with the bios itself.

After the latest Bios/EC update nvidia system configuration settings were reset for me and caused a higher constant load on the GPU.

Install Afterburner to verify. Due to the wrong settings my GPU was constantly running at 1443 mhz while it should drop to 139 mhz while ideling.

If this is the case, you should open the nvidia system configuration and check if the power settings are (still) set to "adaptive" (if not for games).

Best regards

phila

 

So it's actually settled out now. Might've been warm from doing the updates but it's back to relatively normal temps.

None of my settings changed as far as I can tell.

 

Windows can do some things in the background, did you look at task manager to see if something was using the CPU?

 

Never notice the actual voltage. But when monitor with HWMonitor, you should be able to see the voltage offset..e.g -0.125 on IA offset and LLC/Ring offset. When web browsing, i'm getting around 0.589 V @ 900 mhz..

EDIT: I'm at -144 mv undervolt..couldn't undervolt beyond -150 mv...