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I read that the newest bios fixed flexicharger, how is fan behaviour etc in the newest bios? What is it called? My reseller only sends out new bioses on demand so I must be sure to request the right Version

 

My IA offset is -0.164V on HWMonitor, after using ThrottleStop and setting the undervolt to -160.2mV.

 

Anyone?

 

I was also asking myself that question a couple of months ago whether or not go MSI/Asus or Clevo. I decided to go Clevo and couldn't be more happy. If I was you I would keep the Clevo and just upgrade to 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB HDD. (My config 275GB SSD, 1TB HDD, 16GB DDR4) and then you should be good to go. As far as drivers go - I am pretty much always on the latest version of the Nvidia drivers and did not update all the other drivers such as Chipset, LAN, Audio, Touchpad and Intel Management Engine Interface driver once I got the laptop and set anything up. I also got my drivers for Killer1535 Wifi from my seller so you might want to keep an eye out for that as well. Other than that the only thing you have to do is to set the discrete mode in your Clevo CC so you can use G-sync

 

I´m still amazed on the amount of clients who do not know this!
It made me go as far as to buy a printer to start sending a A4 sheet between the keyboard and LCD with this type of information.

 

@Prema. Does it set you back when another cpu gen comes out? Like what happens if the P650RS mod isn't released yet and the P650HS is now available? You don't skip the RS line do you?

 

The only P65/67 I skipped where the Broadwell models as they only ever made like 1k of them...

 

Alright cool! Thanks for the reply.

Yeah... What was there naming scheme again? P650SG was Haswell, idr what Broadwell was called.

 

In the past 6 years I've owned MSI, Asus and Cleve/Sager laptops. All were gaming focused and I gamed on all of them quite a bit. The last three years I've only used Sager. Finally decided to try them and haven't looked back since.

First, they look sleeker and more low profile. Not fat ugly flashy gaming laptops.

Second, the hardware for the price is typically same or better for lower cost.

Third, quality. Only recently have I had a few issues with Sager (display bleeding or terrible quality) and a little overheating which I'd never had issues with in the past, but all of these were handled quickly and easily by Sager or fixed with simple repasting. Customer service seems to be very good with them.

In the past, my Asus laptops I liked but were bulky and 2 died completely on me and had heat issues, also, working with Asus customer service is like the DMV. MSI builds nice laptops but they are pricey, a little too ugly for my taste and flashy, and I haven't had one perform as well as others with similar hardware. I haven't dropped $2k on a gaming laptop though. So yeah I'm a Clevo/Sager fan for sure.


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Need some advise. I updated my EC from XMG with 1.05.08TR. But now the BIOS shows 1.05.01. How can I know if the flashing was a success and the EC just reverted to old/stock version or something. Or XMG just made a mistake with the number scheming?


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p65xrs-g

Any one ells that have rattling sound from the internal speakers ? . . very annoying.. still have warranty left.

 

No rattling, but I occasionally get a pop noise from the speaker that is random. It sounds like the plastic case is snapping in place or something but it definitely comes from the speaker. Not often but it is annoying. Actually occurred with one model not the other, but internally they are identical.


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I've been one of those

Shame you were not putting the sheet when I bought it!

 

Hahaha yeah i should keep in mind that no one reads the manual... sure...

 

It comes with a manual?


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Yes. I got my undervolting displayed in this section as well - but if Ilook at the voltage drawn while under load i hardly (better do not) note any difference at all.

Best regards

phila


ARGH: Stupid me... Only after undervolting the CPU Cache as well, the VID changed....

 

Prema Bios is out for Kaby lake models? Do you know if the prema Bios gets rid of the throttling in performance when the cpu and Gpu are at full load?

Also, does prema Bios have to be updated to not mess the fan profiles?

I'm hesitating on dropping 1.7k on a P65xhs and get through the process of solving the software issues. I've read that is a good machine but it requires fine tuning

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No it's not.

 

Hey guys: What`s your maximum CPU freuency when you are unpluged. Without Throttlestop (or: without "Set Multiplier" checked) I get 1,59 Ghz. Which I find quite "interesting".

Best regards

phila

 

My fans are louder but temps are lower

 

I have a P650HP6-G on the way, and one of the first things I generally do with a laptop is a repaste. I'd like to have everything ready before it arrives, so I have a question. Do these use thermal pads on the GDDR5 and/or other components in addition to the paste on the CPU/GPU? They had pads on my old *SE, but I'm not sure if that's still the case. If so, what thickness do I need (.5, 1, 1.5mm)? Since there's no owner's lounge for the HP/HS yet (and I'm sure they're 99% the same as the RS/RP) I was hoping somebody here could help me.

Also, my old P650SE worked great with Linux. Do any of you run Linux on yours? In particular, I'm interested in whether anybody's had problems with G-sync and/or the multi-color keyboard backlight, both of which my current Clevo doesn't have.

 

How do you have little warranty left? Its not even been out for a year yet.. If there is anything annoying you, get it fixed while warranty is there.. Otherwise, later it will cost you!

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I can suggest uninstall Anniversary Update. I got BSOD's and 10% less FPS in BF1 cus of it.

 

So glad to see this response; not getting my hopes up too much, but it seems that something is in the works!

 

I have 1443mhz all the time, even if i change to adaptive. Should it go down to 139mhz as you suggest? Never heard of that

 

Yes the GPU should clock down when on the desktop.

 

Hmmm... this is interesting. HIDevolution on their ordering page makes it seem as though @Prema BIOS is a "given" for the P650RS-G. In fact Prema BIOS was a selling point for HID on these forums for this model - I never heard anyone state "if it is available" but always "when it is available". Is this a combination of false hopes and advertising? I'm not sure HIDevolution should have a radio button in their configuration page for Prema BIOS if there is a chance it won't ever exist for that model...

And I'm not sure we should add Prema BIOS partners as a selling point without the caveat that a Prema bios may never exist for a given model.

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Yeah, intel sure quickly swept those under the rug.

 

He just said that he literally only skipped by one model which had a production run of a thousand. This is BEFORE he (speculation ahead) entered an agreement with resellers to provide this service to them. I'm sure he'll deliver, even if it may take a while due to the sheer volume of work required.

What I'd be more concerned about is the whole Pascal mess with the encrypted VBIOS, but I still have faith in @Prema to work things out on that front one way or another.

 

I assume, that you run the system in "full power mode". The cure: You should change the general power Settings in the nVidia Control Center to Adaptive.

If the GPU does not downlclock then, you should manually chech the programm settings of the nVidia Control Center for Programs that run in "full power" mode and set them to adaptive as well.

Best regards

phila

If you need the GPU to go "all in" in a certain game, you chane it`s power settings in the program settings section of the nVidia Control Center

 

Hi, guys, have anyone of u faced such issue before?

 

Well, nvidia control panel is set to adaptive, but the gpu never moves from 1443mhz. If I choose full performance instead, nothing happens. I'm in discrete mode all the time. I had no idea the gpu should clock down at idle, I've never seen it at different clock than 1443mhz. I have no custom settings for programs, so there's nothing I can tweak on nvidia control panel.

Since it's the first time I hear about this, should I do something to get the gpu to downclock?

EDIT: Nevermind, now it works for no reason as most of the bugs that happen with this clevo

 

You may have a program that is kicking the GPU up, or if you keep opening and closing a monitoring program it can ping the clocks up to full each time it opens.

That's just how Nvidia have made it react.

Nothing clevo have designed/done would impact this.

 

I've been seeing people getting temps up to 80/85ºC on the P650RP6 with a 1060, mine never goes a degree over 75ºC, no matter the conditions...
From MSI Afterburner, during a 3 hour BF1 session, the GPU usage was all over the place, the clocks would never go bellow the standard 1560Mhz but they also wouldn't stay at the boosted values of 1750/1800Mhz for long. Memory clocks remained always consistent.
I'm not sure about the CPU clocks, I will have to check it.
But playing games on my system isn't "buttery smooth" like I supose it should be. I get regular stuttering issues, performance is not consistent across many games although I am running a recent BIOS, drivers and everything is set to high-performance and discrete mode, it should be running on all cilinders...
The fan behaviour is also erratic, after 30mins of gaming the fans begin pulsating quite fast, I can feel the difference of vibrations on my hands.
After about 1.5 hours of gaming I start getting really low FPS dips, into the 10s or 15s, sometimes less. Pressing F1+1 eliminates the pulsating behaviour and seems to bring more stability to the performance.
I have Windows 10 installed in Legacy mode, not sure this can have something to with it

Is my system throttling? What can be happening here?

 

That's certainly a huge problem for a 1.5k usd laptop...

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You need to run traces of clocks/usage/temps using programs like intel XTU and MSI afterburner to see what the chips are doing to get an idea of what is going on.

 

Is there a thread to check on the status of prema Bios and vBios for the p65xhs? Or a release date or something like that?

Sorry for the noobish question but I want to time the release of the Bios with my new notebook purchase

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Thanks! I will.
I might as well format it, switch to UEFI and do a clean W10 install.
What about the pulsating and vibrating fans issue?

 

Grabbed CCC 5.0001.1.05 from renewed 650HS drivers page, tested on my P650RS, everything works fine. XTU off. Guess it is better than .98, at least on paper=).
Uploaded to Google Drive for faster download here. Don't forget to put 0 for support XTU fan tables in OEM.ini, if you don't need it of course.
or here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCqplKZAvl1MXFvaElzbzRoRUE/view?usp=sharing

PS. I didn't have fan noise problem when I bought this laptop with 05.05 BIOS preinstalled, however I started experiencing it at some point. Then I've checked system usage with task manager and noticed that even though windows defender was disabled by my antivirus. the process MSASCui.exe was using my CPU till the fans kicked in (even though tm showed 2% of Cpu usage only, and laptop was idle). once I disabled this process laptop cooled off and worked silently. I've experienced it like for a week or two. and then MSASCui.exe stopped loading cpu for some reason.

 

Sorry about the crosspost, I put this question in the wrong thread earlier. Anybody any idea on the issue below?

When I switch to discrete graphics from the Clevo Control Center and reboot, the change takes effect, but Control Center keeps reporting that the machine is on MShybrid. I can't get back to MShybrid after that from the Control Center, only through BIOS. I'd rather use the Control Center. I'm on Bios 1.05.05 and Nvidia driver 375.87

Model: P650RP6G, GTX1060
W10 64bit with Anniversary update

 

how many of you guys play doom on p650rp6? mine is np8151, and i have this issue of doom crashing when i exit , never really bothered me, till yesterday when it actually managed to froze the whole laptop and i had to hard reset it , resulting in a corrupted save file, i guess i was almost done had reached the titan's realm, ( well previously it did cause one BSOD too, but ever since that its been fine , occasionally exiting like it should , but crashing most of the time and i end up having to use taskmanager to kill the game )

you guys have any solution to this ?

 

With a Prema custom Bios is it possible find a program to manually set fan speed from the desktop?

 

Did some more testing with an older version of the Control Center > issue gone. Had to sacrifice the OC options, but oh well...

Problematic version: 5.0001.1.05. OK version: 5.0000.0.36.

 

Possibilities (soory for the standard questions):

- Lastest/recommended dirver?!
- Verified the game cache/data in steam?
- Is your Notebook undervolted?!
- your GPU overclocked?*
- Verified Windows (sfc /scannow)?

-> Load "Whocrashed" and run it, it will tell what driver/process caused the "crash". If you experience BSOD regularly and not from undervolting/OC you should have a look.

Best regards

phila

*I had mine running with -175mV without issues - even passing some time in prime95 - but on exiting Shadow Warrior 2 it crashed (usage of CPU and gpu propably). Reducing the undervolt fixed the problem.

 

Dark Souls III did something very similar to me and the solution was to disable GSync, which sucks, but if may help.


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That´s why i always recommend testing UV/OC with something like AIDA, pulling CPU and GPU at 100%, most of the times if the system is not stable it will crash when you hit the "Stop" test button... kinda weird but it´s still my favorite way of testing stability.

 

since im working in a group of islands which has very limited internet connection i have set most of my settings at default itself , no undervolting or overclocking , (since its better to mess around when you can look up solutions quickly ) and im on nvidia 376.19 which was a decent stable driver from nvidia afaik, i have had only 1 BSOD
also have verified the game cache , it was fine, may be ill try to finish the campaign in one go and then try to reinstall from the backup i have

Besides this seems to be a more common issue among those people who play doom ,so far i havent had this issue with other games, i have played a bit of witcher 3 , grim dawn ,victor vran etc..they all are fine..

ill try running whocrashed and see if that brings something up

mine is a non gsync model, so that shouldnt be an issue

 

Gsync has turned out to be a real turd, in my opinion. I haven't run discrete mode in a month, always MSHybrid. Gsync causes either stuttering, crashing, or BSOD with the following on my system: Star Wars : The Old Republic, Smite, Mass Effect, WoW and Assassins Creed : Unity.

 

I too have not been impressed with it. I typically just use fast sync with my model that has the 1920x1080 monitor especially on older games as the 1070 pushes 100+ fps. Gsync seems kind of pointless


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Any software issues with assassins creed I would lay at the developers feet given their track record