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Is the fan noise of the P650RP6-G (1060 GTX) better or worse than in the P650SE (970m GTX)?

Edit: after reading various reviews I came to the conclusion, that there is no clear answer. However what I determined is, that the fan noise is hugely dependent on the CPU, and not so much the GPU (in fact the fan noise of the GPU often seems neglectable compared to the fan noise of the CPU). So if there are configurations with a 6700HQ vs 6800HQ, or a 4700HQ vs 4800HQ, the latter ones always feature higher temperatures and fan noise. So it's obviously better to go for the cooler CPUs.

 

I am not sure if it is that hard or not. I guess the problem right now is, that clevo thought it did work (as it works as long as you do not unplug the notebook) and right now are to busy launching Kaby Lake in there notebooks to look into this bios thing. I am still looking forward to that fix.

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I totally agree, but Clevo has had 5 months to fix a specially requested feature and has not fixed it after 5 biosupdates or so. Launching a new product with a feature that does not work is sloppy at best.

 

I also had annoying light bleeding in my screen (no that bad though) and I sent it back to Obsidian. They changed the panel and now I have almost literally nothing, like a tiny bit in 2 corners if I look really carefully. I think it's just a matter of assembling of the panel/bezel

 

Yeah I think it does have to do a lot with the assembly. If you press around on it slightly you can improve or worsen the bleed. And yes after I sent it back they did a great job at fixing it, I barely have any bleeding, only a tiny bit in the right corner. Overall I'm very happy with the IPS display color and everything. I wish the TN 120 hz was better, Fast games like rocket league the 60hz is obviously not as smooth but other than that it isn't all that noticeable. I do wish the IPS panel could be overclocked a little to 75hz or something but mine won't using nvidia control panel. After 63hz it won't work.


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Can someone confirm if this laptop throttles/makes a lot of noise/has high temps ? Another user implied it did without adequate improvements.

How would you compare the iddle/load noise levels to other 1070 laptops if you know some?

 

I bought laptop 2 months ago. Now it's outdated. THX intel, sager, clevo n stuff... ffs What a hell this sorcery...

And still 7xxx is slower 6xxx. Nice move, ty for support...

 

As semiconductor nodes go down its becoming electronically complex. Manufacturers will adopt more optimization nodes rather than generation leaps. So you are about to see more and more refreshes in 1-2y timeframes. On paper it will be outdated, in reality you will not see wide differences until a next gen leap process arrives.
Bottomline: no big change, marketing and optimization and so no worries for us.

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Haven't we answered this already?

It won't throttle until you get close to like 95+ degrees. I've had it for a few months now and it's never throttled at all.

Fan noise is minimal to non-existent if you're just browsing Facebook or YouTube or whatever but will kick on when gaming. If you use speakers or a headset then you will never hear the noise. The built in speakers are pretty quiet so if you're gaming without a headset and without plug-in speakers then that is when you'll hear the fans.

You can undervolt the CPU with throttlestop and keep the temps lower. I have mine undervolted -1.84 mV and idle temps on the CPU are around 35-39C and max load temps are 75-80C.

GPU (I have the 1079) idle temps are about 36C and the highest I've seen under load is 78C.

This laptop AFAIK has one of the best cooling solutions Han any other comparable gaming laptop so it'll be slightly louder and is slightly thicker than most others. It's up to you if you want a bit more noise (that really isn't even that loud) and better cooling or quieter but hotter. Remember with higher temps the more likely you are to experience throttling.

 

Ultimately I'm looking for one that's both relatively silent and doesn't throttle (without frying above 90C). But there's so many conflicting reports out there it's hard to pinpoint which one I should go for while being open to repasting/undervolting on the non customized ones (P35, X5...).

Noise are the hardest part because few people will go out their way to run measurements and when they do you wonder if there's a possibility to set the fans lower with a proper repaste/undervolt. A real headache.

 

Very few people have sound level meters so it's very unlikely you'll find any actual decibel measurements.

You can't actually change the speed at which the fans run. The only way to "control" the fans is with clevo control Center and even then it'll only give you 4 options: Silent, overclocking, automatic and maximum.

I have mine set to automatic and it only runs when the CPU gets above 45C. Silent will keep the fans at super low rpms or it won't run at all if the temps are low enough. Maximum runs them at 100% speed all of the time is actually quite loud and not really necessary. I think the overclocking and performance profiles are pretty much the same as far as I can tell and they seem to keep fans at about 60% speed all of the time.

Im used to gaming on a desktop, and mine is actually quite loud so in comparison, this laptop is pretty quiet. You'll hear the fans kick on but it doesn't distract me or drown anything out.

I've never had a computer that performs as well as this one does.

 

Does anyone know what the possibility of swapping out panels is? If you get a TN 120Hz, can you swap to a FHD or 3K IPS for instance, or a 3K to a FHD. Are you simply stuck with what you have with any of those options?

 

I think "flash" command is for flashing BIOS, "flashme" is for ME, but this particular update do not contain ME update (only BIOS).
I can confirm, flexicharger "works" exactly as you've described.

 

My issue is mostly running process intensive applications without having the fans making the noise of a jet engine. For example I often have an mmo or two running in the background even when I'm at work (doing afk activities...), on my current laptop I can't do it while people are too close to me and reducing the levels to any extant throttles it to a point where the GPU intensive MMO stops working. At night if I'm in the same room as the missus this poses a problem as well and this is usually when I'm looking to max the graphics and enjoy the build as much as possible. Or when crashing in the Library downtown because the internet in my building is sub par and I need some decent internet to game online.

That's just two examples but most of the time noise is a big deal for me even while alone (can get on my nerves) and even non gaming related activities can kick some laptop's fans up especially since I'm a big multitasker with 150 tabs left open on different browser and other applications running on top of that.

 

In this thread someone says it does throttle tho http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xotic-vs-eurocom.800278/page-2#post-10433742
Which one is right?

 

Mine has about the same fan noise/speed at idle than running Witcher 3 at 70C+, which is quite far from being a jet engine. But there's that constant fan noise all the time, at least in mine even with the cpu at 40C, not loud but you may get tired of having it 24/7. Running hybrid mode completely silences the fans if not gaming

 

He's talking about power throttling, as near I can tell, which is different than thermal throttling. The cooling is absolutely capable and won't cause thermal throttling, and with the modded Prema BIOS there won't be power throttling anymore either.

As for the noise question, there's just a limit to how quiet you can get a cooling solution for this kind of hardware when it is under load. You're going to have a hard time finding a laptop that is much quieter.

 

You are aware that his setup has a i7-6700k, do you?

 

Aren't most P650 like that?

 

I actually saw a video on YouTube showing how easy it is to swap out the display on this model. The only real trick is finding the right display to match the 4 pin connector. Most sights that say it will fit are 1080p and 4K displays only. At least I think it's 4 pin. The other issue is that I can't seem to find any 1440p or 3k laptop displays that would work. Hopefully there are more to come. I'd love a 1440p display with this 1070.


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He has a Clevo P870DM3, a model that comes with a desktop socket CPU and a (soldered?) desktop GPU in it. The P650RS is a slimmer machine with longer battery life, but with a soldered CPU and GPU of the mobile line, which take a performance hit compared to their desktop counterparts.

 

The 3k is the Panasonic VTX16T020G00. Hard to find though. Changing panels is generally quite easy, but you have to have the right panel and the right cable. It's that I'm not so sure about.

 

Oh'no. No soldered hardware in P870 series laptops.

 

Wow that would be perfect display for this laptop. But yeah hard to know if there is any chance for it to work.


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It does work as it is an option from some sellers, but I think the cable may be different. IDK if that means there are different display connectors on the mobo, or different versions of the mobo for different panels.

 

No. NONE of the P650 is like that. You need to do your homework on this.
6700hq is a non-overclockable laptop part. 6700k is a overclockable desktop part.

 

Regarding the not soldered variants, I always wondered what advantage they have. I mean, you can oc and theoretically upgrade them to newer gpu/cpu models. But practically, these upgrades are normally quite expensive (sometimes not compatible even). And I find hard that performance will be much improved in future cpus, while a gtx1070 should work pretty good about 4 years too.

I find more interesting to just buy a new laptop in a few years than upgrade this one for quite some money. To the owners of one, is it really worth the money difference for these advantages?

Also, if someone can help me. I was trying to record games performance to help future buyers but I'm having some trouble with OBS. Playing Witcher 3 all maxed I have 60fps most of the time, but recording cpu usage is always 100% and performance is terrible. Does anyone know a good profile/settings for recording?

 

For most users, I'd agree that soldered solutions make more sense, as they allow for more compact designs. But the major problem I see with BGA is that, if any component fails at all, you essentially need an entirely new laptop, which comes up to be a whole lot more expensive for the owner.

 

Hmmm I need to do some research. That would be awesome to swap out. Be strange if they used a different board for a monitor connection.


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After 2 months, my battery wear lvl is 8%. Is it bad? It is 90% connected to wall, also I use flexicharge.

 

The BGA CPUs are pretty bad when compared to their desktop counter parts in terms of binning and performance. You may be able to overclock and undervolt the i7-6820HK (or i7-7820HK) but the results are underwhelming.

If you look at (for example) the MSI 16L13 (Eurcom Tornado F5) you can get a desktop i7-6700K or i7-7700K and a MXM GTX-1070 configuration for not that much more than the P650RS-G.

There is also a version of the 16L13 with a GTX-1080, but the motherboard is completely different and the MXM card is not compatible with the 1070 version (and it is a lot more expensive).

The benchmarks people are setting with the 16L13 with GTX-1070 and i7-6700K are pretty impressive. It is only slightly bigger and heavier than the P650. I have been trying to find a good comparison of build quality between the two but I have not seen that yet.

EDIT: frankly I a trying to see if I can upgrade to a P870KM1-G with i7-7700K and GTX-1080, but that is about twice as big and heavy as the P650RS-G I have now and quite a bit more expensive

 

Eh. With a 4.0GHz on the 6820HK you're around 6700 desktop performance, which is honestly plenty for a large segment of the market. The difference is certainly not worth cutting the battery life in half for anyone looking at actually using the laptop on the go.

 

The battery life isn't anywhere near halved by the CPU. The GPU is the culprit. Even completely idle, they can use nearly 7W. Laptops with >3 hours of battery life invariably have some way to use integrated graphics.

 

And who said you need run stock clock speed with 6700/7700K ?

 

I know. But there aren't exactly many laptops with a desktop CPU that don't also have a desktop GPU so it's a bit of a moot point.

No one. But stock 6700 is fine for the overwhelming majority of people. The performance gain of the OC is nice for sure, but again isn't always worth the trade-off in size/weight/battery.

 

Well, there are exactly two current models with desktop CPUs, and I don't think either of them have a MUX to swap to integrated or MSHYBRID, so you're right there. But theoretically it's possible.

 

The P750 or 61L13 with hybrid mode would be pretty damn cool. Maybe one day. Until then my P650RS is serving me well.

 

Yep that's what I thought, mostly for bench/performance fanatics but not really a huge difference for most users, yes obviously a 6700hq is quite worse than a destkop one, but still more than enough for 99% of people, in gaming shouldn't be dramatic.

Although for recording it might be useful, which brings me again to my other question. Anyone knows how to configure OBS to record heavy games without an awful performance drop (100% cpu 24/7)?

 

Indeed, the 6700HQ+1070 is pretty good for most people.. A 6820HK which is tweaked would be even better..

The only issue with BGA is that if your CPU or GPU dies outside warranty, you have to replace the entire motherboard which comes to $1000+++ so you basically might as well buy a new laptop... So if you buy a P650, get a long warranty too if you don't want to cry..

With the desktop models, this is less of a worry as each component is seperately replacable so pick your pick.. But be happy and enjoy it!

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Hi everyone,

I recently flashed a BIOS update for my Clevo P650RS-G which was sent to me by my Reseller. Unfortunately I only realized after flashing that the update which I actually received was for the Clevo P650RP6-G. Long story short, the system is broken now and only shows a black screen when turning it on. Does anyone here know how to do a BIOS recovery flash on my system as described here? Specifically I need to know what the name of the BIOS file should be.

Thanks for any help in advance.

 

Whoah, thats lot of issues for a new +$1500 laptop. Always bothers me when <$1000 laptops from name brands such as HP, dell etc usually run without any problems for years out of the box. How do these things even pass QC for the price customers pay? Is QC non-existent or is it just human error at the factory, no idea! Pity this guy tho.

 

The SD card slot is there, you just have to push on the plastic cover to eject it. The rest looks like software issue. You can't control the keyboard backlight without Clevo's app, and we don't know if he has it installed or not. Same thing with the audio jack, I just had to wait for Windows to finish installing the audio driver/manager app and it was fine afterwards.

Lightbleed is, however, indeed an issue.

 

It depends on what you want I think. This forum makes it sound like there are a ton of issues, but I think everyone is just experimenting as it is a performance laptop etc, second best thing to a gaming desktop computer (which we tweak to death). HP and Dell are good if you are browsing the internet and typing word. If you try and play anything beyond minesweeper you'll quickly notice why they are cheaper and last forever as they practically do nothing to stress them. My only real complaint on this laptop is the display could have been focused on a bit more. The light bleed, poor quality of TN displays and lack of more optional types of display are about it. Overall I love mine, it's quiet, it's lighter and less gaudy than 99% of most gaming laptops, and it runs basic windows tasks extremely fast, it makes gaming an extra luxury which it does extremely well I might add. Or you can buy an Apple which has dated hardware, practically no gaming capability and pay $2200+ and they do seem to last forever.


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I agree with the stress part. But if a customer pays money, out of the box the device should work. If it does not, It's because of bad quality control and the blame should go on the buisness/company. No other justification should be made against the customer/client imo. But anyways these issues are common in many gaming laptop models.

 

We don't know if he ordered it with Windows pre-installed or not though. If he installed it himself, then it isn't really anyone else's fault if his software isn't installed correctly.

 

True that.

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This is why we don't offer an OS bare system. People miss things out and blame the system

 

Sure but seeing people push the desktop processors to 5.0GHz in the socketed laptops while also getting over 4 hrs of battery use in low power mode is damn impressive. Also being able to replace or upgrade the CPU and replace (not upgrade) the GPU is very nice.

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I agree, in reality it should be flawless. Nowadays though I don't know that anything, top dollar or not, is truly problem free. Seems quality manufacturing has fallen by the wayside a little, especially the Quality control I will agree. I do think the laptop is great for the price though. A lot cheaper than say Alienware or even MSI for the same performance I feel.


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The complexity of systems is ever going up so getting everything nailed down is more difficult every year.