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Would you mind posting a link to the make and model of your monitor?


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Has anyone managed to undervolt the 1060 or 1070? In afterburner my settings are locked.

 

Use the frequency voltage curve (Ctrl + F with the main window open).

 

Hi Meaker, I have a question for you: I am using a 165 Hz monitor over displayport, and I am having an issue with the MSHybrid mode. If I run Windows in this mode for an hour or so, window and scroll animations will slow to a crawl. Switching to dGPU mode fixes this entirely, but it is still kind of a pain having to switch back and forth all of the time. I also get occasional dropouts on the displayport monitor in both modes, especially close to bootup (although this could be the cable). Has anyone else experienced either of these issues?

 

Apologies, checked the process again and built-in display did turn on (I originally didn't notice it was on it just looked black).

In any case, I just reverted EC/BIOS to official latest clevo ones. Still getting ACPI.SYS issue though.

 

OK, going to tag @XMG here as well. Can you send them a private message (it's called start a conversation on this forum) detailing the issue and provide them with the following information:

You should also reach out to the tech support department of whoever sold you the machine to put them on notice. Direct them to the thread I created outlining what's going on.

 

Cable quality does make a difference when it comes to DisplayPort. I was having issues with my Dell G-Sync monitor that went away when I purchased this cable.

At the same time, I was having issues with MSHybrid mode on my system when running on a older BIOS and embedded controller (EC) firmware. Flashing to the latest one, available for download from the XMG support website fixed all the problems I had when running in this mode, including jerky animations and black screen when playing full screen video. The files are called:

XMG_P507_1070_P707_1060_1070_BIOS_1.05.07a
XMG_P507_1070_P707_1060_1070_EC_1.05.05TR

However, using these files introduced another issue pertaining to using an external monitor. That is detailed here. If you decide to update, please check to see if you can replicate the problem I described.

 

Messgae for everyone

The BIOS and EC mentioned above are exactly the same as the standard Clevo BIOS 1.05.07 and EC 1.05.05 - (these files will be available directly from your seller) APART from:

BIOS 1.05.07a includes an XMG splash screen, this is the only difference between the "a" and non "a" version

EC 1.05.05TR includes one of our fan response tables, this is the only difference between the "TR" and non "TR" version.

If anyone is experiencing issues with either of these, the information you should send to the company you purchased your laptop from is:

- which BIOS and EC are you using now
- if you have upgraded to 1.05.07 and 1.05.05 please advise which versions you were using before
- which problems did you experience with the previous BIOS and EC you were running (why did you upgrade)
- which problem are you experiencing now
- were the problems you are experiencing with 1.05.07 and 1.05.05 defintely not present with previous firmware.

I would like to help as much as possible with this, however I would kindly ask that non-XMG customers contact their seller and not to send the information to me. Clevo need to sort any issues out and they need the specific BIOs and EC versions, which specific issues were present with each individual EC and BIOS, plus they need the chassis numbers before they will start investigating (so see the chassis model, specification, manufacturing run etc etc). If I pass this information to our internal R&D team, then they forward it to Clevo we will imediately have a strange question about why we have a bunch of other company's chassis numbers!!!

This chassis has several BIOS and EC versions, I'm not going to start posting the earlier firmware versions here directly as I don't want anyone to experience further issues with multiple flashing and incorrect flashing - some of the changelog details include support for NVSR panels, 4K panel in legacy mode support, GPU OC reset hotkey combination and other things.

 

Did someone already tried this? I'm too scared to try and mess up my perfect setup right now.

 

@Meaker@Sager I've seen this too, do you know anything about it? Not sure it would be caused by a crappy display cable necessarily.

 

To add to this, unless you really understand what you are doing I would advise going to your reseller for BIOS/EC updates to ensure you are getting the right version and so they are fully aware of all firmware changes made to the system.

 

First the high refresh rate displays do need a decent cable so that is worth checking out.

Secondly have you tried running 120hz and seeing if that is having an impact?

 

I have not tried it at 120, I will give that a shot and see if anything changes. I will probably try another cable to try to alleviate the

Interesting, I also have the full screen video issue, solved that by just turning of hardware accelerated video in Chrome but obviously not an ideal solution. Thanks for the tip, I'll look into doing that.

 

Just so you know, my machine was worse off after the update until I did a complete BIOS reset by disconnecting the CMOS battery from the motherboard. You get to it by removing the keyboard and using a set of needle-nose pliers to disconnect the cable. After that, MSHybrid mode has been working just fine, save for the inability to use NVIDIA Shadowplay to record my desktop, but this is a limitation of Optimus, so it's not a unique problem. I was able to work around it by using Mirillis Action recording software and keeping my external monitor disconnected.

The full-screen video issue was apparent across all programs, including Chrome, Edge, Windows Media Player, and iTunes, and this BIOS update completely fixed it.

 

Reposting from the P65xHS thread, since they're basically the same machine.

I just got my machine a few days ago and I was loving it. However, I'm now experiencing an issue with the display (I got the 4k one). I left my machine on for a few hours with a sleep setting of 30 min. When I got back and woke it back up, the display was washed out and it's experiencing image retention. Reboots don't help, I've tried reinstalling the graphics drivers, and I don't see any issues when connecting to an external monitor via HDMI.

I've managed to get the colors almost normal by playing around in the Nvidia Control Panel, but image retention remains an issue. The image only has to appear for a second for it to stay as a ghost. I'm really hoping this isn't a hardware issue... can anyone help?

Example here: https://iwantoranges.tumblr.com/post/157166364731/washed-out-screen

 

Has anyone had success installing Windows 7 on the Sager NP8153-S? I'm trying to install W7 because I play a handful of DX9 games, and because of Windows 10's arbitrary limitation on DX9 applications' VRAM usage, I tend to get a worse FPS than I should with these games. Windows 7 doesn't have this limitation, but I haven't been able to get any further than the first language select screen on the installer, because neither external USB devices, nor the built-in keyboard and mouse, respond on the screen. I've already tried using the USB 3.0 drivers on Intel's website, and putting them onto the USB drive with the installer using Intel's tool. The drivers are successfully applied, but they don't seem to work within the installer.

I'm at a loss regarding what to do at this point. Could someone please help me out?

 

Yes i'm running a dual boot Windows 7 (primary daily usage) and Windows 10 (dx12 games if any haha) ...
works great.. what you need to do is something called slipstreaming drivers into the actual windows boot and setup process .. the usb3 from F6 key is to allow you to see your hdd and ubs3 port to install but in order to actually boot into windows itself and have your usb3 ports functional you need to also slipstream (inject) usb3 drivers into the actual windows installer and then use a usb3 bootable usb flash drive to install windows from.. These are the tools I used nLite to do the slipstream (injection) and rufus usb (to create the usb 3 bootable flash drive).
there are alot of guides on here as well but most of them forgot to mention the crucial part about slipstreaming usb3 related drivers into actual windows setup or having it install right after windows install so you can access your usb3 ports.. same deal with nvme ssd hard disks.. you need to insert the nvme drivers into boot and post boot version of windows in order for it all to work seemlessly.

 

Would windows 8.1 not provide that too?

 

I believe that I had already slipstreamed the drivers into the boot.wim and install.wim files.

Unfortunately, Windows 8.1 is subject to the same limitation as Windows 10.

 

I need a little help. I just want to confirm if anyone's experiencing decreased performance in playing CS:Go. I encounter fps drops up to 30fps in some action packed scenes. It never happened before.
Not necessarily driver-related because I already tried using diif versions (DDU'd each time), same result. I was thinking maybe due to BIOS, is that possible? I recently updated to latest from XMG (1.05.09)
Temps are good, high performance settings, Gsync On/Off same result, fps capped/uncapped same result.
Actually, not just CS:GO, but also L4D2. I guess it's Source Engine-related because all other games (old and latest) even benchmarks work just fine with no fps drops.

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I'm saving this for when I underclock later on!

(Somehow the forum didn't alert me when you quoted me earlier).

 

I guess it was because I messed up the first quote. I forgot the [ in the end and fitted it right in afterwards.

All the best to you!

phila

 

okay i'll try to search my old pc where i created the iso/usb boot-able windows 7 that did work with usb3 drivers. I'll post a link when i find what drivers i used. off top of my head what you need to do is google "xhci usb3" i believe the plain intel one didn't work and i had to google around and found others that said need also the xhci "chipset" (again sorry my keywords and phrases are probably wrong as it's been a few months since i installed it and moved on) but yeah please google those and slipstream using nLite those set of drivers too.

 

anyone else having a problem with the volume being at 100% everytime you restart? i can't get it to remember the volume of the time i used my laptop

 

This is a problem if you're using Realtek driver 6.0.1.7898. Try this version and see if it helps.

 

It's a GPU OC reset hotkey combination ;-)

G-Sync doesn't mean NVSR, you need a 120Hz panel for NVSR which will be supported by Nvidia in around a month though the tech is already in the laptops.

 

Hi XMG, is it possible for you to pm me? I'm new on the forums and wanted to ask you a few questions about a purchase asap, but can't pm you for some reason
Sorry the hijack!! Will delete after response

 

So just bought the P650RS-G (Eurocom MX5 R2) and im in love with it. It's a monster and the fan profiles seem to work fantastic on auto settings. Temps in the low 70s gaming prolonged time with a 200mhz/300mhz bump to the GPU clock and memory respecitvely. and the CPU undervolted by 120mV.

However one thing I have noticed is the thermal throttling of the M.2 NVME drives. I tried both a Samsung 960 Pro and a Corsair MP500 drive and they both thermal throttle by a good chunk after they hit 80C. Which I think only happens with synthetic benchmarks as the stress put on the controller is large. But its just interesting to see another device added to the throttling issues haha.

I dont think its a Clevo issue, probably a notebook issue in general since not much room for cooling for an M.2 drive passively.

 

They are well known to do this under load, but it really tends to be under synthetic loads rather than every day loads.

 

Ya I noticed that as well. Under normal use like gaming or regular file transfers I saw roughly around 60 Degree temps, well below the throttling point. But like the idiot I am, I missed the thermal Pad that Eurocom included in the box for the m.2 drives. Its a thicker pad meant to put between the controller chip on the SSD and the bottom cover to dissipate the heat. I installed it and my drive wont go over 55 now even with synthetic loads. Good guy Eurocom as usual.

 

Hi guys, I noticed a thing lately. When I benchmark "Rise of the Tombraider" in the ultra settings I get very different results in MShybrid and discrete mode. MShybrid is like 88fps and discrete gives me 104fps. Anybody noticed that as well?
So because of this I had to switch these modes. Since then, after every restart the "rerun.exe" from the CCC is starting and consuming a lot of CPU time. Anybody else?

 

Yep, we do the same

 

I had some issues with my P650RP6-G with DPC Latency: storport.sys

Solved: I removed the NVME 2.1 Samsung Driver and use now the Microsoft Driver.

 

Hey guys, I need some help trying to figure out what is wrong with my laptop.

I bought my P670RS (I7-6700HQ, GTX1070, 16GB RAM, Samsung 950 Pro and 850 EVO, nothing overclocked) from LPC Digital about 6 months ago and it's been working awesome until about two days ago.

I normally keep the laptop in discrete mode since it's almost always plugged in and I've since tried MSHYBRID mode with no change in the problem. I've been re-playing Mass Effect 2 recently (GPU runs in the mid 50 degrees on this game so not a heat issue) and randomly after playing the game for several hours without issue, my screen would start to randomly go black, I'd get a flash of garbled random graphics (like snow on an old tv) and then after a few seconds, it would go back to the game. The sound would continue normally while this was going on. Then it started happening more frequently where instead of every couple of minutes, it would happen every few seconds, until finally the game would crash to desktop with the following message in the Windows Action Center: "Application has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware."

At first I thought it may just be a case of old game on new hardware issue, but then I went to play Deus Ex Mankind Divided, (Which I'm about halfway through the game, played fine at max graphics on this laptop) and I can't even load into the main menu, it crashes straight to desktop with an error: "A problem has occurred with your display driver (0x887A0007: DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_RESET)."

I tried Grand Theft Auto 5, (Again, hours and hours of no issue on this laptop), and it crashes with the following error immediately on loading into the game: "ERR_GFX_D3D_INIT. Failed Initialization"

Tried Rust, Game crashes immediately upon joining a server. The crash log that the game creates is filled with lines of D3D11: Failed to create RenderTexture, error 0x887a0005.

Elite Dangerous, crash to desktop, no error message.

Oddly, the only game I can get to work that I currently have installed is Hitman 2016 which starts up like nothing is wrong and runs for hours with no issue.


Games that have the option (Deus Ex for example), it doesn't make a difference whether I run in DX11, DX12, fullscreen, windowed, etc.
I made no changes to any of the drivers in between the laptop working great and the issues beginning. Though, after it started having issues, I installed the latest Nvidia drivers with no change. I then downloaded Obsidian-PC's update tool and updated everything, chipset, CCC, Audio driver, intel VGA, etc. I then did a clean reinstall of the latest Nvidia drivers and it seemed to fix things for about an hour, then it went right back to having the same issues again. I'm still on the earlier versions of BIOS and EC from Oct 2016.

One really strange thing is that this only happens when the laptop is plugged in. When I unplug the power cord, these problems go away immediately. Every game works (Though at a reduced FPS because of the GPU being throttled), but the second I plug back in, the problem is back. So for example, I can start Deus Ex while unplugged, play all I want, but the second that the power cord is plugged in, I get the crash to desktop with the error above.

So any ideas, could it just be a hardware issue?

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

Do you mind providing a picture of where it's supposed to go? I just got my first Clevo and I do remember two sticky pads in the box, but I never used them. Thank you

 

Those, I found out from Sager, are for additional drives if you get any later down the road.


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Yep, place them on top of the M.2 when it is installed (either on the controller or the spot on the top side that's the opposite of it should it have it on the back).

The controller is the bit that gets hot, the NAND/ram is not a concern.

 

Ok. DPC solved. But: Write performance ugly. Please have a look @ Picture.

Sry my english.

 

And Sorry - i read here a long time - i need help - cant help others - if i can -> i do.

 

Did you install the operating system or was it installed where you got it from?

 

hello meaker, the os was installed. It comes from kiebel germany where i buyed the system. I am shure the basic install is good.

i love computers and i know a lot of *. but this makes me crazy. i am shure, samsung nvme driver have problems, and i am search for solution. Sry my bad english, and thx for your reply.

 

thx alot. i had to manually install but it worked great

 

I had the same thing with my Corsair MP500 M.2 Drive. AS SSD showed bad read and write speeds but every other benchmark was fine and showed the full advertised speeds. I think AS SSD just inst reliable. When 9/10 programs show the same info except this one, it leads me to believe some issue is there. Try crystal disk mark or ATTO ssd bench. Also make sure youre M.2 drive isnt throttling above 75C. use HWmonitor to check

 

In device manager - drives - NVMe Samsung 950
i marked / checked "windows cache deactivate"

And now the AS SSD write perfomance normal.
Sry, german windows.

 

I know a few people were asking what the TI Burr Brown chip was for since the ESS Sabre DAC is already there.

I took a look at the main board and the the TI chip isn't a DAC, it's an OP amp for the headphone jack. It's the TI Burr Brown OPA2134 operational Amplifier. And it makes sense since the reviews that state high impedance headphones worked great with this notebook. It means there's just enough juice for the vast majority of headphones even hard to drive ones.

The way the ICs are set up it looks like the Saber chip is the DAC for both line out and headphone out and the headphone out has the Burr Brown op amp right after.

So basically the digital signal gets converted on the Saber chip instead of on the Realtek chip as with most systems. Realtek chip's only job there is to process the digital sound through Windows API and mixer and then send it off to the Saber DAC.

I'm actually quite happy about this as I probably don't have to buy a separate DAC or amp but I do.wish both chips were shielded a bit better from EMI.

Still nice that clevo included these.

 

Its the same setup for all sabre labelled devices in our range.

 

Temperatures on my P650RS have recently gotten worse, I'm thinking of repasting. Has anyone tried a liquid metal paste like CLLU on this laptop, or do you guys recommend sticking to regular pastes like MX-4?

EDIT: note that I already cleaned the fans.

 

Since they're already delidded, liquid metal is the way to go. Don't forget to put some silicone on the small resistors surrounding the chips though.

 

That's a good idea. That way you wouldn't have to use electrical tape correct? I may try this one day when I get really brave

 

Hi there, having some issue for my camera, which just suddenly not working. I'm not sure this is a driver or a hardware issue. Can someone help me? Error Code 0xA00F4244