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Hi guys, I've been experiencing stuttering with the laptop on battery power. Even in performance mode, the laptop stutters for .5-1 second every 15 or so seconds. I emailed xoticpc support, and they told me that this was intended design.
@ pat@XOTICPC can you confirm?

 

You can't expect laptops to perform well on battery. There's a maximum safe rate of discharge for Li-ion batteries. The GPU and CPU have to be throttled heavily to squeeze in that envelope.

 

x-post from another thread, but I suppose this question will be more relevant as this is the model I will be getting!

Hi all,

I will be purchasing this laptop soon and I have gone through these forums to check for any possible problems that could happen upon arrival.

I want to be able to use CCC to control my keyboard. However, I also want to undervolt the machine using XTU.

Has there any been any resolutions to the fan table? Can I still use these two in unison without causing any trouble? Thanks all, look forward to using this beast!

 

Use the CC version without the OC feature. The app in my signature will install that for you.

Use TS to setup your CPU.

 

Perfect, thank you very much

 

This is just with chrome open with a few tabs open.

 

Any update on the Prema BIOS for the P650RS-G? I got my system back in October 2016 and have been following this forum even before that, but there seems to be no talk about the Prema BIOS that would supposedly - correct me if I'm mistaken - unlock the true potential of the CPU and the GPU.

I've been running at an undervolt of -140.6mV with my system not crashing like it used to at -160 mV now. I've noticed some weird clicking noises from the HDD at times when I've been gaming at 4K, high settings for 3-4 hours (Rise of the Tomb Raider looks fabulous)and I'm wondering if that's something to be concerned about.

 

Another question follow up actually if you don't mind!

Why do people decide to use XTU and Throttlestop to undervolt CPU? From some images I've seen, CCC can undervolt CPU as well, or am I mistaken? Thanks very much!

 

Actually what people started doing is running away from XTU and XTU based methods of tuning the CPU, the stock CC OC bit is based on the XTU service so we had to let it go.
The way the motherboard bios or ec acts with XTU seems to be odd sometimes, i´ve seen system shutdown with a FN+1 command, i´ve seen crazy fan behaviors starting without no apparent reason, i´ve seen none posting units after touching XTU values (with no apparent reason), and in all weirdness as soon as you uninstall and reset NVRAM the problems are gone.
This is something that will probably only be explained when we start grasping the holographic principle.

 

Thanks!

So I suppose for now if I want to use CCC, the suggested method is to undervolt with throttlestop?

Cheers!

 

If you want to use a modded CC like the one that my app will install the alternative piece of software to tune your CPU is Throttlestop.
Just don´t forget, if your system was a recent victim of a XTU or XTU service install (like the stock CC does) you should uninstall XTU and the stock CC, turn off your system, press FN+D+Power so you can reset NVRAM and any possible corruption of space-time, boot to windows, install modded CC + Throttlestop, tune it, have fun, go out, get married and have kids, or don´t.

 

I actually haven't purchased the laptop yet!

I'm just pre-planning so I know everything before I get my hands on it.

So since I don't have it and have not been a victim of XTU, is it still advisable to download CCC via your app and use XTU? Or is it safer to download your CCC and just use throttlestop instead? Even moreso, would downloading the reguar CCC and undervolting from there pose a problem(if that's possible).

Thanks again for the advice, I'd just like to search my options

 

When you get your unit if it´s CLEAN (no operating system installed), then just use my app.
If you get your unit with a OS and drivers already installed follow the previous instructions:
- Uninstall stock CC,
turn off your system,
press FN+D+Power so you can reset NVRAM and any possible corruption of space-time,
boot to windows,
install modded CC + Throttlestop, tune it, have fun

 

Does it make any sound or says something when u do fn+d+power ??

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No sound, but it will show you a blue box with a message.

 

Hello, I have found problem in my laptop 650rs-g. I played game and in the middle of it screen went black just like this. computer worked at this time and sound turned off anyone had something similiar ?

 

When you say the computer continued to work do you mean the fans and lights were on but nothing else worked?

 

Yeah I had a similar issue. Nvidia card crashed (hardware defect). If I used discrete mode, the screen goes black cause the nvidia card is sending the frames to the screen. If I used mshybrid, screen keeps working cause intel gpu is sending the frames to the screen. However, you will notice that the nvidia card has crashed as it shows not available in nvidia control panel or gpu-z.

It happens mostly under heavy load. I was able to reproduce it with high success by changing the FAN speed back and forth between automatic and maximum (Shortcut Fn+1) in Clevo Control Center. It always crashed in less than 10 times changing the FAN speed.

If your issue is similar to mine and you are still in the first month refund period, I recommend refunding it directly and buying a new laptop. The motherboard in my laptop exploded after the RMA to fix the laptop. I refunded it.

 

When laptop had black screen fans and lights on computer worked. I turned off pressing power button then start once again everythink work normally after restart but why it happen in the game. Tried gpu-z and it show my 1070 geforce. Everything started when I installed new graphic driver 378.78 I will try install older version which worked for me well. If problem come back I will contact with reseller.

 

The graphics card will work after restart. Otherwise you will always have a black screen. Anyway did the black screen happen in discrete or mshybrid?

 

For the record, I have the SAME EXACT problem right now and I'm trying to get an RMA started with HIDevolution but they are forcing me to go through basic troubleshooting and BIOS updates, etc.

From what I'm reading this is attributed to a hardware defect in either the mobo or the 1070 itself -- as I only use the laptop in DISCRETE mode, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I've opened a ticket about this weeks ago, and still no RMA -- I'll keep trying with HIDevolution, but going from a cold boot to a working computer each morning takes about 5-6 manual restarts...

 

Yeah I had the same type of issue. Xoticpc setup an RMA with Sager they ended up replacing the motherboard. So far it has not given me similar issues, I can actually boot on battery in discrete mode on the first attempt and awake from sleep. I'm noticing the BIOS now is on 1.05.07RSRP and firmware revision 1.05.05 when the old motherboard used to be 1.05.06 BIOS and 1.05.03 firmware. Not sure if it is a different board or what but Sagers website never had any firmware update for my old motherboard that is now toast.


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Is there a way to remove the ugly "Style Note" boot image?

 

this happen on discrete mode

 

update your bios

https://www.mysn.de/driver/XMG/XMG_P507_P707/BIOS/

after install you will have logo XMG instead of Style Note

 

I'm about to become a new owner of a 15 inch Clevo P650RP6-G with an i7 6700HQ, 16 GB Ram and a GTX 1060 6 GB. I'll be using it for my study (fMRI analysis) as well as gaming.

The main thing I'm still torn about is if I should get the regular IPS G-Sync screen (LG Philips 156ws6/156wf4) or a 1620p 3K IPS screen (Panasonic VVX16T020G00). Anyone have experience with the 3K screen that can tell me about blurryness/problems when running lower resolutions? 1620p doesn't seem to scale very well (half is 810p, which seems terrible), but with DSR and in-game resolution scaling, I think I should be able to run most games in native 1620p and then down-scale until framerate is 40-50ish?

I don't really care for G-sync (mainly don't want to get spoiled and dislike my 4K desktop screen without G-sync) so don't feel like I'm losing much there. I've heard that there are still quite some problems with UI/text being far to small and Windows scaling not working properly. This is my biggest fear, but the possibility of having open mulitiple applications side by side without loss in sharpness as well as gaming in 3K (with some DSR/quality setting sacrifices), is so incredibly appealing.

Do you have guys any experience/advice?

The 4k version of this laptop also seems to last much shorter than the 1080p, would the 3k screen be in the middle of these 2?

I must say I was much more excited before reading through 50+ pages on problems in this thread. Since I'm buying now, would it be worth it to spend an extra 100 euro on the newer 7700HQ P650HPG Clevo? Or does this edition have similar problems/other problems?

Thanks in advance!

TL;DR Pro's and con's of 1080p G-sync or 1620P no G-sync for a GTX 1060 rig (higher resolution mainly for productivity/work/study, and little for gaming)

 

This BIOS is compatible with stock Clevo P650RP6(-G)? I bought it from a Clevo distributor, so it is not sold via XMG or rebranded.

 

I have the P650RS-G with a 4k screen and Gsync. If I could go back in time, I would not have the 4k screen. I've had some help on the forums here which has helped with the scaling, but it's still an issue for work. I do a lot of Remote Desktop support, and it's constantly an issue with tiny text, or blocky scaling. When I (rarely) work in Word or Excel it's fine, web browsing is fine, but the scaling for remote work is probably 75% of my job and it just sucks.
For Gaming, the system can drive most of the games I play at 4k if I turn down some of the settings, but the difference isn't enough better than 1080p to my 43 year old eyes. I do notice some degradation in quality if I play Elite Dangerous at 1080p not 4k, although I can't say for sure with other games. Note i have a 1070 gfx card which is noticeably more powerful than the 1060 you're planning.
I know you're going for a 3k screen, and it's not quite the same, but given that the scaling will probably be significantly worse with an odd resolution screen like that, I'd strongly suggest going for the 1080p screen if your usage is even remotely similair to mine.

 

It is compatible but you need check which version of bios is for your laptop model and graphic card.
For example I have 650rs-g 1070gtx so for me works bios: https://www.mysn.de/driver/XMG/XMG_P507_P707/BIOS/XMG_P507_1070_P707_1060_1070_BIOS_1.05.07a.zip
and EC
https://www.mysn.de/driver/XMG/XMG_P507_P707/BIOS/XMG_P507_1070_P707_1060_1070_EC_1.05.05TR.zip

 

Thanks for these links. I remember the last time I updated the bios on my P650RS-G there was a complicated process involving creating a bootable usb. Do I need to go through all that again? (and dig up the instructions)?

 

Check this topic on 489 site
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...8153-s-np8152-s-owners-lounge.795090/page-489

 

If you would like the Sager logo, you could also email their customer support and ask for a BIOS from them. The BIOS update process is a bit different but is very simple and clearly explained in their email.

 

I've just picked up a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO m.2 SSD drive and need some direction installing it. My laptop originally came with a 1TB HHD and a 256GB SSD(with Windows OS installed) in the first m.2 slot. Any tips on what to do after physically installing the drive in the 2nd m.2 slot? Do I need to change anything in BIOS or combine the two SSD drives in any way? Any help appreciated

 

I would not combine two different drives. Once installed go into disk management and format the SSD for first use and you are good to go.

 

In case anybody runs into this later I've updated my G-Sync suggestions in my post earlier in this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-owners-lounge.795090/page-294#post-10357389

tl;dr, set your frame-limiters to 56FPS. Not 59 as I originally posted. There appears to be some weirdness with Mobile G-Sync causing tearing at the bottom of the screen when using 57-59.

 

That is unacceptable... Shouldn't have to jump through so many hoops for a working computer...

Reach out to @Donald@HIDevolution or @Ted@HIDevolution or @Zoltan@HIDevolution about this... They should get this fixed...

 

There will always be tearing if you jump above what the panel can handle refresh rate wise as the number of rendered frames does not match the refresh rate.

 

This is below the 60hz rate though. G-Sync has a minimum polling time required to function. The result is that as you get close to 60fps there's an area where G-Sync actually disables and it tries to anticipate running at fixed refresh.

On current Mobile G-Sync this means, even with G-Sync on, you will get very obvious tears at the bottom of the screen between 57-59 FPS where G-Sync should be working, but actually doesn't.

 

Flashing the latest EC along with BIOS helped my fan noise quite a bit for general use for this PC, FWIW. I flashed from usb stick which is the way to go, i dont recommend anyone risk flashing within the OS.

 

Interesting, so that's the particular job of the buffers in the desktop panels.

 

I finally got an RMA started and shipped out this past Friday. They told me to note a way to replicate the problem and I wrote simply try cold booting the machine when you first get it and I promise it'll take at least 3 reboots to get to a place where you can actually see the Windows logon screen haha!

I'll update as to what HIDevolution decides to do regarding my RMA as it happens...

 

Well to be fair any system will likely fail to boot just after shipping unless you are in a warm climate due to being too cold but I am sure they will get what you mean.

 

Hi all, silly question, but I just realized I have no idea if this model has a built-in microphone?

I know it probably does, I'd just like to confirm LOL Thanks

 

Yes, they all do these days.
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Thanks! Figured as such, didn't want to receive a system and be shocked that it doesn't ahha

 

On my Eurocom Sky MX5 R2 I keep getting this random BSOD. The error says "Stop Code: MEMORY MANAGEMENT"

and I also had one that said "Stop Code: DRIVER IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL What Failed: SynTP.sys"

The memory management error I think is related to the ram but I can't figure out what the SynTP.sys error is. I've been calling Eurocom a bunch but they aren't answering their phones for some reason.

 

SynTP.sys is regarding your Synaptics TouchPad.
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Indeed. The buffer still exists on Mobile G-Sync (ie Adaptive-Sync panels) but I'm guessing they're not as robust as the desktop G-Sync modules. Primarily, it may come down to how many frames the onboard frame-buffer can store. I highly suspect it's only 1 frame.

On desktop the behaviour appears slightly different. Instead of tearing frames you start getting input lag which means it may be capable of storing multiple frames and creating a V-Sync-like situation.

It's quite easily tested with the Nvidia Pendulum test though and I'd be very interested to see how the 120hz G-sync panel responds.

 

The desktop module has 768MB of ram so that's a fair size buffer.

 

anyone, what's crytical temperatures for laptop 24/7. Is 80C 100% GAMING ok. OR NOT OK????