*** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

Funny you say that, we did that like some time ago too, we even made a proper announcement, with a high level of professionalism:

 

Either one of you is free to drop by and enjoy some heatsink polishing...have a few here waiting for your love.

 

Hey guys, I have a p650rp with a 1060, using a
Dell Ultrasharp monitor, how can I check if I have any dropped frames or problems with external display? If I do, can I ask for a refund?

 

I'm not sure about the second part, some companies have good return policies (like 90 days) so you could "RMA" for whatever personal reasons under certain conditions.

As to the first part - go to @Phoenix windows software page and install "MSI Afterburner". This has temp and frame-rate monitors you can enable from the interface. It might be simpler if you run the laptop in "discrete" instead of "mshybrid" mode (the default) so afterburner sees the nvidia GPU right away.

 

Where did you buy your laptop from? You could ask for help before asking for a refund, I'm sure someone can help you tweak things to get it to work as intended.

 

Hey @Donald@HIDevolution, do you guys polish heat sinks like @Eurocom Support and @John@OBSIDIAN-PC. My temps have been great so whatever you guys did with the liquid metal seems to work.

 

Okay, I see what your saying. Afterburner doesn't try to control fan speeds on the motherboard but just tweaks the GPU itself. I figured since it also can tweak the CPU voltage params (apparently better to use throttlestop for this) it could do other things.

Is fan control non-standard - does Clevo have some proprietary API for doing this? That just seems weird. It wouldn't be that hard to make a generic fan control tool that also accesses the hardware temp monitors so we aren't stuck with CCC...

 

PCSPECIALIST, bought it a month and a half ago.

 

Intel pulled doge jokes on their Intel on Android developer tshirts so I guess its a new professional standard.

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What should I look for in MSI afterburner?

 

They did? I didn't knew that actually, i just like doge since i first met him!

 

We have a whole internal site dedicated to memes at work so I guess that's a professional thing too.

 

Totally happened

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Clevo needs the doge for their control center app: "much fan control", "happy thermals", "many stabilities"

 

So I thought I was happy with my P650RS and I am mostly except for the current fan control. Any help sorting through this would be great! @Galm17 - do you have any experience or thoughts on this? @Donald@HIDevolution - maybe someone @hidevolution can chime in?

Symptoms:

1. Without CCC installed - that is factory settings from @hidevolution - my thermals were great! Like never over 72C while running various benchmarks.

2. with CCC installed I was having issues with my GPU getting very hot (i.e. >90C) to the point of instability. I could actually smell it! =O The fans were blasting the whole time so I wonder if CCC was messing with something other than fan tables... I recall switching from "Entertainment" to "Performance" and then back to "Entertainment" before this problem occurred, but staying on "Entertainment" may also have problems. Yikes... =(

3. Uninstalling CCC and resetting nvram restored the nice behavior I saw before. Actually, on Ultra settings in Witcher 3 on the 4K resolution I don't see temps over 63C for my GPU (and like 56C for my CPU). I have V-sync on since the 1070 can't really go much over 30 FPS anyway with these settings, but frankly it looks nice. My major complaint is that the fan noise is high! I would sacrifice 10C just to lower the fan speed.

Bottom line: I want nice temps (<73C) and quieter fans. I could definitely use a less aggressive fan profile.

What is a reasonable solution for this? Here are ones I can think of but any help or insight would be appreciated:

1. Try more recent versions of the BIOS (EC?). My understanding is that this sets the default fan behavior. I am current running the BIOS versions my system shipped with.

2. Try the latest version of CCC. Maybe they fixed something? I know CCC comes with XTU which I deleted last time I tried CCC but CCC still did something to make my GPU cook...

3. Seek a third party solution. Surely someone makes a generic fan control app?

Anyone who has experience with newer BIOSs on the P650RS-G or the most recent version of CCC please chime in =)

 

The New CCC does some funky things like nuke gpu mode toggles from within program but I havent seen it fix my fan profiles.

What EC version are you on? The XMG release or the default Sager one from launch/newer updates. I think bests been the 1.5.02 EC so far and you can install CCC with specific things disabled and enabled at will (just put 0 by the stuff you want dead in the oem.ini in install folder)

Helps a bunch.

Unfortunately every laptop reacts different way with fan control so there can logistically be no universal program just one that has to be made for our systems....eventually maybe.

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There is no standard for a system wide control scheme that a notebook needs.

 

HI guys. I`m the new happy owner of one of this amazing beast!
I bought the 1060 version, without g-sync (once I never used it I don`t need now).
I`m wondering what kind of tests I should do before migrating completely to this new machine.
I`m downloading some games (but mines are quite old, like Witcher 2 and Fallout New Vegas), 3d mark, and Aida64. I`m wondering what other benchmark you would recommend to do to check if everything is working?
Thanks in advance!

EDIT.: I`m planning to undervolt the CPU. The recommended software for it is the throtlestop or MSI afterburner?

EDIT2.: How can I check my bios EC version? I think that for this version there isn`t a new one. Also, I think I don`t have CCC installed. How can I turn on/off the keyboard lights?

 

I'm not sure I can help but I can provide my experience as comparison. In terms of system software I am exactly as shipped from HID: BIOS is 1.05.03, EC 1.05.02, CCC is installed (5.0001.0.72) and I use the "Performance" profile with "Automatic" fan control (I'm certain that I've set it to Overclock but I guess it doesn't stick)
I haven't been playing very demanding games yet but no issues with temps on the ones I do play. I did overclock and undervolt the 6820HK (3.6GHz @ -125mV)

Is there GPU benchmark I should run to give you another datapoint for temps?

 

This is weird. My custom fan profile seems to be working... So I've just been using that. I also barely care about loudness though after owning a GT60, sometimes I put the fans on max just cuz it still seems quiet relative to that monstrosity. Still though I'm pretty sure my fan profiles work...

 

Throttlestop to set your undervolt yes. If you boot into the bios then it's on the bottom of the first page.

 

Hello guys,
I have a normal and a strange question
I will start with the normal, when you choose custom fan speed, is it possible to customise at which temp it start and at which temp it stops ?
And about the strange question... I would like to know if your reseller like HID, Sager, Obsidian, XMG supplies some screws. In fact, I order separtly a HDD 2.5 without screws. And, if not, did someone knows which kinds of screws in have to order
Thanks in advance,

 

Do you have CCC installed? How do you change fan settings?

EDIT: @Phoenix warned me that installing CCC can require a complete system wipe on top of nvram reset. Maybe I should try that and a clean install of drivers and (gasp) latest CCC (after imaging the system or setting a restore point or something).

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Um shoot there is info on here but I'll have to go back. HWInfo64 to monitor temps of CPU and GPU.

Fprime for CPU test and I think firestrike for GPU. Links on @Phoenix software page.

A shared document for this info would be great. If nothing else I can start a thread but then only I can modify the OP...

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How can we access the download page? I just checked and Bios and EC profile are exact the same for me, except that I'm a 1060 GPU version and without g-sync and CCC. I can try some tests to if you want.

 

Our machines come with all brackets and screws needed to populate any remaining slots. Check your box, maybe they are already there? If not your reseller should have them.

 

Thank you for this great info! At least I can get my keyboard lights back and some other nice features!

BTW, I really like your idea of some shared wiki. A simple start might be a thread here to gather basic info. I'll try to start that today and merge info from folks here until we get something better.

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Sorry, I meant that since I don't have Witcher 3 we could both run the same GPU benches and play with fan profiles to see how cooling is affected. I've already done some CPU benchmarks here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-owners-lounge.795090/page-358#post-10374485.

A shared doc would be great to compare notes on temps and stability, especially with all these software version combinations flying around now.

 

Can't speak for non Sager resellers but models branded as Sager should come with everything you need to install in any empty bays of the system.

 

Thanks a lot. I hope I will get brackets, screws, etc...
My P650RS will be delivered tomorrow !!! I am really impatient like a child to play with it

 

Good luck and hopefully it's in the box for you, if not then call them.

 

I installed CCC like literally first. Maybe that's why? I noticed some odd behavior on the default fan setting, but the overclock and custom ones seem to work?

 

A small dumb question:

If I install CCC and note some weird behavior, a full windows install would be enough or I will need to do the nvram wipe too?

Is there any alternative to have keyboard lights working despite using CCC?

Thanks again dudes

 

You are struggling with exactly the same issue as I have been struggling with. I would start with an nvram reset which is very simple:
1. shutdown our systems
2. Holding the "Fn" and "D" keys briefly hold the power button and then keep tapping the power button
3. The system should restart. Take your hands off the keyboard when that happens.
4. You should see a DOS style dialog box (very small on a 4K screen) telling you you are resetting nvram
5. Enter return
6. Another DOS style dialog box comes up - enter return again
7. Systems restarts a final time. You should be all set with the nvram reset.

 

Itll be in a baggy with manual and everything so you should be solid...even a CD because clevo goes above and beyond especially in a system thats driveless.

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I think you did the same thing I did. I was careful not to change anything for some time and finally installed CCC.

The difference must be how I used CCC.

What version of CCC did you install? Do you have XTU installed along with it? That comes with a recent version (don't know about the most recent one)...

I wish CCC had it's own support forum with developer feedback so we can be in the loop somehow... Open sourcing CCC would help to (and I think they essentially must do that for Linux support).

 

Yes, great idea. I'm feeling motivated to do something like this though it may not be perfect the first time.

 

This is the one I was referring to:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/phoenix-software-updates.794490/

 

I did not get XTU with mine.

 

So when I put 0 by the "SupportXTUFanTable" it won't instal XTU?

 

Okay, I think you have a different version then. Do you know what version it is?

As I ask this I realize that I remember there was no "about" box or anything other way to get CCC version info. Man... They are trying hard in the wrong direction(s) ... =(

@Kittys @wkamil I am starting to feel something like hope =P

I think when you set the option to 0 in oem.ini it just means that XTU function are not present in the CCC interface. I believe we will want to uninstall XTU on it's own. There are instructions further back, but essentially you boot in safe mode and delete the XTU directory and I recommend disabling the service. More details further back in this thread if needed...

 

Edit: Not intended to be blank not sure what happened.

Was trying to say idk, I will check when I can, may be a couple days.

 

For what I'm understanding so far, the first version of CCC doesn't come with XTU and doens't mess with fan profiles, and temperatures? If so, this could be safely installed and we might have the useful tool for keyboard?
Or
The CCC causes problems independently of version?

 

@Galm17 Hmmm?

 

I think there are two saperate issues:
1. Newer version of CCC install XTU. I don't have direct experience with this, but I hear XTU hoses the system so it's safest to uninstall XTU right after installing CCC by rebooting into safe mode and deleting the XTU directory.
2. As @Kittys was mentioning, CCC messes with other stuff and the safe thing to do is disable that other functionality in the oem.ini file in the folder HotKey CCC is installed under. See @Kittys prior post on this.

 

Got it. Has anyone tried to disable them? Could tell what happens?
Actually, I'm trying to find where to download it (from Clevo website?), once it is not on my seller website (I think they think this is going to mess the laptop that's why they don't put there)...

 

I have XTU (file version shows 6.0.2.10) and my CCC version is either 5.0001.0.72 or 5.1.0.70 depending on where you look. Both were installed on the laptop when I received it, I didn't try to uninstall or upgrade either package. I haven't used XTU for any overclocking/undervolting, not sure if that matters.

I just ran the firestrike benchmark using different settings in CCC. I am using TS8.3 on the CPU for 3.6GHz/-125mV, and GPU is stock.

Automatic fan profile: max temp on CPU was 75C and GPU was 69C
Overclock fan profile: max temp on CPU was 76C and GPU was 70C (basically the same)
Max fans (Fn+1): max temp on CPU was 69C and GPU was 63C

Score was the roughly the same for all 3 tests (~13000)

 

Does anyone run max/turbo fan all the time when gaming? I do see a 8-9c degree drop in temp on my 1060 when leaving it on max. Should I be concerned about the fans having a short shelf life? I wear headphones so i'm fine with the noise.

 

I'd rather replaced a fan than the whole laptop due to overheating. Normally the 1060 should be much cooler so unless your temps are extreme and you're gaming with extreme games, I wouldn't bother with the fans. I personally leave it in auto with witcher 3 (1070) and I turn the fans at max when I feel like sometimes.

And btw, auto fan is almost nothing, fan profiles suck big time.

On other news, I just found a dead red pixel. It's just one, but it's starting to bother me a lot that such an expensive laptop has so many small problems and such an awful screen

Would Heaven be the most demanding I could test?

 

Also I like the idea of running benchmarks and comparing profiles and temps and such. I'm in!

Although I understand not everyone has Witcher 3, I've found it to be the extreme realistic performance bench (and it freaking amazes me hope great it looks). No benchmark was able to get my laptop too hot, but witcher 3 got it to 90C in about 20min.

But I can understand to go with a free bench utility that everyone could get