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Yes, I find a solution. Instead of installing the clevo Synaptics driver, I install the Synaptics driver from Synaptics website :
http://drivers.synaptics.com/Synapt...4__Win10__Signed__MS_Win10_UXUI_PS2_SMbus.zip
Then, the Synaptics program is automaticly installed through Windows Update
And, now, it works

 

I'm not 100% certain but I believe we'll be able to pick up the prema with a donation. That's my hope, anyway.

 

So how much tweaking and experimenting do you like to do?

If the answer is alot then there are so many changes you can make. BIOS, CCC, EC, GPU drivers. In my opinion you're taking your chances by messing around with all of this right now. There still doesn't seem to be a consensus on what to install/uninstall/update as of yet.

Thus far with my 650 rsg the only change I've made is updating my BIOS to the version that Gooface posted somewhere around post #219 I think. That was to fix the CPU usage problem when connected to an external monitor. Otherwise my machine seems to run perfectly fine (at least as far as I can tell.) Fans don't seem out of whack. Temps are okay, if not as great as some people are posting. No crashing.

Honestly you may not even need to update the BIOS if you're having a new one shipped.

 

So, please find below some benchmark (several posts) and then my conclusions :

MS Hybrid – CCC Entertainment

FurMark test :


Prime 95 test – CPU Stock - CPU temp max : 90°C


Prime 95 test – CPU -125mV (Throttlestop 8.30) - CPU temp max : 85°C


Prime 95 test – CPU -150mV (Throttlestop 8.30) - CPU temp max : 81°C


Prime 95 test – CPU -175mV (Throttlestop 8.30) - CPU temp max : 79°C


Prime 95 test – CPU -200mV (Throttlestop 8.30) – error


Idle after Prime 95 test – CPU -175mV (Throttlestop 8.30)


MS Hybrid – CCC Entertainment

Time Spy – CPU Stock – CPU temp max : 85°C – GPU temp max : 65°C


MS Hybrid – CCC Entertainment

Time Spy – CPU -175mV – CPU temp max : 73°C – GPU temp max : 65°C


MS Hybrid – CCC Performance

Time Spy – CPU -175mV – CPU temp max : 73°C – GPU temp max : 66°C


MS Hybrid – CCC Quiet

Time Spy – CPU -175mV – CPU temp max : 73°C – GPU temp max : 65°C


MS Hybrid – CCC Entertainment

Firestrike – CPU -175mV – CPU temp max : 80°C – GPU temp max : 66°C

 

hey, how much time your battery handles vlc videos on minimum brightness?
I get only 3:20 hours, is this normal?

 

@mishkasm - Yes, I just decided to try again. I looked at the zip files for the 0.50, 0.7x and 0.9x versions of CCC and they all have references to XTU in the configs so you may get it with any of these.

Here is what I am currently trying: I flashed my system with this BIOS:
https://www.mysn.de/driver/XMG/XMG_P507_P707/BIOS/XMG_P507_1070_P707_1060_1070_BIOS_1.05.04.zip

This upgraded me from BIOS version 1.05.03 to 1.05.04

But now I still have the EC 1.05.02, so I guess it's no surprise that I didn't see a difference in the fan behavior.

I then installed the new 0.98 version of CCC and remove XTU directory and disabled the service in safe mode. I followed @Kittys advice and unchecked things in the oem.ini config file (like XTU). I want to give it one more try and I haven't seen bad behavior yet. I do end up missing the few things that CCC actually lets you do.

High performance and max fans is about the same as without CCC (maybe a little cooler). I'm trying out the custom fans but I don't understand it yet and I don't get why it is so limited. You should be able to draw a curve of temp vs fan speed...

 

Guys, I'm in need of help.

I bought a Crucial MX300 M.2 SSD and installed it last night. After cloning my HDD to the SDD, I found that, no matter what I do in BIOS (1.05.04), it won't let me select it as a bootable drive.

I already tried disabling and enabling secure mode, disabling UEFI (after this, it recognizes the SSD as a bootable drive, but won't boot it in this mode).

It is perfectly accessible as a normal drive by Windows 10, but I can't boot from it.

Thanks in advance.

 

As you can in my previous post, the main and important thing is undervolting the CPU. With -175mV (CPU and CPU cache), I reduce temp by 11°C which is huge
Then, there is not impact when you are in Entertainment, Performance or even Quiet so I strongly suggest to stay in Entertainment
Here are the last bench I did, focused on CCC problem :

With EC version 1.05.02TR and BIOS version 1.05.02, after a fresh windows 10 installation :

Entertainment - CPU stock - CCC 0.98 - Time Spy benchmark
Score : 5036
CPU max temp : 90°C
GPU max temp : 67°C

Entertainment - CPU -175mV - CCC 0.98 - Time Spy benchmark
Score : 5125
CPU max temp : 74°C (-16°C compared to CPU stock so undervolting is absolutly mandatory)
GPU max temp : 66°C

Entertainment - CPU -175mV - CCC 0.98 - XTU remove - NVRAM reset - Time Spy benchmark
Score : 5138
CPU max temp : 73°C
GPU max temp : 66°C

Entertainment - CPU -175mV - CCC 0.98 removed - XTU remove - NVRAM reset - Time Spy benchmark
Score : 5050
CPU max temp : 87°C
GPU max temp : 67°C

With new EC version 1.05.03TR and new BIOS version 1.05.04 (thanks to XMG website) :

Entertainment - CPU -175mV - CCC 0.98 removed - XTU remove - NVRAM reset - Time Spy benchmark
Score : 5128
CPU max temp : 74°C
GPU max temp : 66°C

So my conclusion would be that :

1. CCC 0.98 seems helpfull if you leave it in Entertainment
2. XTU seems useless so you can remove it
3. The new EC and BIOS version from XMG help a lot decreasing the CPU temp

 

What nvidiadriver do you guys use? The last 2 drivers are horrible on my setuo

 

It's in here:
Clevo P870DM Drivers Mirror

When you set CCC to High Performance, it switched the Control Panel > Power Management to High Performance as well

 

@cedrixman - what is your system? (i.e. model/cpu/gpu/ram/etc)

 

Very interesting! What nvidiadriver do you use? I use 372.70 now but get time spy scores a bit lower than you. On my system I can undervolt to -185, but thats the limit.

 

You see in the picts from time spy test he has 6700HQ and 1070 Rest is not disclosed.

 

@FredSRichardson

That is strange - I installed the .50 version of CCC and there was no Intel folder, no XTU processes anywhere, etc. I also have BIOS .04 and EC .02 - that is the latest ones from HIDevolution. At the moment I have no CCC installed at all, and I am unsure whether I am going to go back to the .50 or newer. Probably .50 if anything at all - I do not have any need for all of the additional options like overclocking the GPU and memory. I really just need CCC to be able to control the keyboard.

Do you know exactly what CCC controls? Does it mess with nVidia power settings of Windows power settings or anything else like that?

One more thing, is there a way to turn keyboard lighting off without CCC installed? If I had a way to go between off and the default blue without CCC I think I might settle for that.

Unlike you I never ran into the problem of high temperatures. The temperatures everywhere all the time have been great, it's just that the fans seem a bit erratic at times. Particularly when just browsing the web the fans will spin up for a fraction of a second and then go silent again, which is annoying. I wish they were somewhat less sensitive I guess.

 

IIRC windows 10 does something to the boot record / security on your HDD which you can't clone on your SSD. You have to install windows 10 on the SSD. Someone else confirm?

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Is the CCC v.50 compatible with p650xrs? Mine came with v.72 which is the earliest version I've heard of for this model. Maybe the v.50 version has better fan profiles since it was made for a different clevo model?

Also is there a program out there that can give us a better reading/performance of fan behavior?

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I do not know tbh - I installed the .50 version on my P670RS-G and it worked "fine". So in that way it seems compatible. Are the fan profiles included with it "good"? Eh. I uninstalled it so I guess I didn't think so? But I am thinking of installing it again and just making sure not to mess with settings...

SpeedFan is supposed to allow you to have custom fan profiles, but I have not tried it yet. I haven't seen it discussed either. I wonder why? Maybe it doesn't work with the Clevo motherboards?

 

I want one of those 120hz displays now... I wonder how much they will cost to get if I already have a 8153...

 

I had to pay 350 pln for upgrade from standard G-Sync IPS display so probably around $100 (more than month ago).

 

CCC v .50 don't contain Xtu services

 

There are ways to control the keyboard lights (I have some prior posts on this), but they require the "HotKey" drivers that are part of CCC. I was trying to figure out if there was a way to do this without installing any of CCC but I haven't gotten very far. It looks like you just need one of the DLLs and not the Clevo service.

My understanding is that the fans are controlled through the EC (and some ECs are supposed to have better "fan tables"). CCC can apparently change the EC fan tables (for example through the "custom" setting).

I think my high temps were a side effect of CCC and it was either XTU or CCC's "OC" feature that mucked things up. You can overclock with CCC but I've been told you don't want to do this. You would want to use throttle stop (CPU) and afterburner (GPU) instead. I don't have any experience doing this, but this is what I've heard.

My P650RS-G came with 0.72 and the newer one is 0.98. Both of those come with XTU so you have to be careful. I installed 0.98 (then immediately remove XTU) and unchecked any OC feature in "oem.ini". I don't think they have different fan settings really. I have played with "custom" and more recently with "full". I haven't tried "auto".

This is a really good question. I would love to see what the fan speed is at a given time. I'm not sure if the sensor for this is exposed to other tools.

I think fan control is not well supported - it is handled in the EC and CCC is the only tool we have to do anything with it...

Actually check out this thread by @Mr. Fox
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ing-or-broken-in-your-skylake-laptops.797648/

 

I am using the last official nVidia driver : 375.86
The only rule to respect if you want to have a correct VGA driver installation is to go first with Display Driver Uninstaller

 

I uninstalled CCC v.98 with revo, edited oem.ini settting SupportXTUFanTable=0, then reinstalled CCC v.98. XTU did not install. There is no service and no XTU folder in program files. The only XTU file that exists is XtuAcpiDriver.sys which looks like it wasn't installed recently.

Did a NVRAM Reset with Fn+D+Pwr. Didn't touch CCC at all (it is in Entertainment mode), ran Firestrike and got the same score that I used to get with Fn+1/max fans. So basically...

Before: CCC Performance Mode w/XTU disabled with automatic fans got a score of ~9150 in Firestrike
Before: CCC Performance Mode w/XTU disabled with max fans got a score of ~9350 in Firestrike
After: CCC Entertainment w/o XTU installed with automatic fans got a score of ~9350 in Firestrike

Going to see how temps do now in-game

Added to the fixes doc

 

Here's the readjusted screen in Sager:




I still can see those bright corners, guys. I am wondering what to do??

 

Oh, does the oem.ini determine what gets installed? I might uninstall and try that instead.

 

Finally, 120hz panel dream coming true. To someone who said, 1070 couldn't pull 120fps on modern games, maybe not over 120, but pretty damn close to 120. BF1 ultra 1080p with 1070 can pull off 110fps real easy and if gsync works properly, that is a huge upgrade from 60 or 75hz panels. I guess if the 120hz panel is TN and you can't deal with TN, the normal IPS screen might be better off.

Can we get some more info on the 120hz panel?

 

Is this for all models? I have P650RP6, installed it but now can't turn off Touchpad (always on).

 

From what i know it is AUO B156HTN05.2 but i can't find any info about it. Maybe someone else will have more luck?

 

I just noticed it's only 15.6"...shame

 

I think it works for all the laptop with Synaptics touchpad

 

Over time the panel options should increase for the other 17 inc models too, early days just now.

 

DDU did the trix. Thanks

 

I also tried your method and it is now really good. I only have fan noise when I play. In entertainment, Discret mod, w/o XTU installed with automatic fan got a score of 12830
CPU temp max : 80 deg
GPU temp max : 66 deg

 

15.6" Full HD (1920x1080) TN 120Hz - 5ms w/ G-Sync ... should be arriving on the EVOC P750DM2-G and EVOC P670RS-G late in November or early December.

 

Hello,
I did my first real gaming cession yesterday evening and this laptop is whaou !!!
I played Overwatch in 1440p (DSR) and all option on max, I still have to cap the fps because I get like 75/80 fps !!!
And the temps are really correct, 70 max for the CPU and 68 max for the GPU
The only thing I noticed which could be annoying is that the keyboard became pretty hot. Did someone have the same experience ?

 

I have run CCC in entertainment and perf. I got good scores in unigine, all 3Dmark in hybridmode. Then I set gfx to discrete and unigine went up with 3 fps, timespy same score, firestrike and 3Dmark11 got about 60% of score with hybrid. I then turned gsync of and scores was normal again. It appears that firestrike and 3Dmark11 utilizes gsync, hence crappy scores.

 

It is strange. I got same score in discret vs hybrid, even a light better score. Same thing for timespy

 

Do you also get low scores in 3Dmark11 and firestrike you mean?

 

I haven't found a real advantage to discrete mode so far. Hybrid seems to perform very well and even the "performance" settings don't seem to add much. Maybe the help with benchmarking, but when I play a game the horsepower I need seems to kick in just fine without much latency.

I just wish I had a bit better control over the fans. They run a bit higher than needed. My GPU temps max at about 68C (and around 56C for CPU).

 

Discrete gives better unigine heaven scores, part from that there seems to be no benefit except gsync which appearently works in some games and apps.

 

G-sync will work in all 3d applications in discrete mode, in hybrid it will not function. Discrete mode avoids some optimus issues with some programs and lets you overclock the internal display/use the nvidia display control settings.

 

In fact, I réalise that if you turn Gsync on and Vsync off (in game), I only get 30fps. But, if I turn Vsync on, then, I have 60fps
If you turn on Gsync, normally, it limits the fps to 60 so your system does not fully worked. That is why you have lower scores but you also have, normally, lower temps

 

You have a better control on the NVidia GPU through NVidia Control Panel
The options I turn on (not possible in Hybrid mod) :
1) DSR, All my games are now in 1440p. I have no aliasing anymore
2) Gsync. I use MSI Afterburner to cap the fps at 58 and so Gsync worked. No more tearing, lag or stutter

I am really surprised by your CPU temp. Even, with fan max speed, I am above. Could you tell what is your setup (Hybrid or Discret, CPU turbo active, which benchmark you try) ? The best would be to have a screenshot of a bench result like fire strike with HWInfo monitoring

 

This laptop continue to surprise me !!!
In order to reach the max temp of FredSRichardson, I disable through Throttlestop the intel turbo and try another fire strike bench mark and look at the results

CPU max temp : 58 deg
GPU max temps : 62 deg
Fire strike score : 12001

Discret mod, Entertainment mod, Automatic fan profile, intel turbo activated :


Discret mod, Entertainment mod, Automatic fan profile, intel turbo disabled :

 

I just did some Heaven benchs to tests temps and performance. CCC .72 / CPU -125mV turbo disabled / Discrete / Max fans (to avoid differences due to fan profiles). Bench was done after 30 min running Heaven, since running it straight away doesn't even make de GPU reach 70C or the CPU 50C

Enterntaiment in CCC

Max temps:

GPU 74C
CPU 55C



Performance in CC

Max temps:

GPU 76C
CPU 56C



Performance mode does definetely increase GPU performance slightly, and temps also slightly in the same proportion (1-2C). However I haven't seen those +10C that some users are experiencing. I'm going to update BIOS and try to get CCC .98 and let's see if there's any difference

 

Thanks, too bad it's not IPS. However, one advantage of TN is that you don't have to worry about backlight bleed. There are some really good TN displays out there, not sure if the ones offered are good.

 

Ok so I updated drivers, updated CCC to .98 with no XTU and did NVRAM reset as you guys recommended. I'm only missing to flash the new BIOS, I'll try tomorrow. As a result, I can say than the fan is louder now than before and performance has dropped. Now entertainment mode gives a score of about 2000 and performance gives me similar scores than those I was getting in performance (actually exactly 2092). So I don't see any point in doing all this, temps haven't changed, laptop is louder and performance is a bit worse. Not a great deal

EDIT: I'm thinking for the benchs it could be the new nvidia drivers, I'll try to install the older ones back

 

If I compare all the settings and CCC versions I go through, it is for the best installation with very goods figures
1) I install the last official nvidia drivers. They works very well
2) I remove CCC with revo uninstaller. Great software by the way
3) I install CCC .98 with ;odified OEM (put 0 on XTUfantable)
4) NVRam reset
5) Do not touch anymore CCC. There is no real improvment between Entertainment and Performance. I check with MSI Afterburner and the GPU frequency is the same both case

And, other importants things, undervolt with Throttlestop (not XTU) at -175mV (seems to work for a lot of people). And I update BIOS and EC with XMG files (BIOS 1.05.04 and EC 1.05.03TR)

 

I did Heaven bench with your setup. CCC .98 modified (without XTU install) / CPU -125mV turbo disabled / Discrete / Max fans. I did the same bench with CPU -175mV

CCC Entertainment :
-125mV
CPU max : 55
GPU max : 61


CCC Entertainment :
-175mV
CPU max : 54
GPU max : 60


Really, the installation with CCC .98 modified (without XTU installation) is really nice

 

I'll try again this week, although I did exactly the same as you. Do you have the P670 or p650? In any case, I'm getting slightly lower scores, which doesn't bother me given that variability is gonna happen, but higher GPU tems. In a single run of Heaven my temp is just below 70C, far from 61C. Not huge, but still a difference with the exact same setup

Altough maybe things like the numer of HDD and such could change a few degrees, idk

Btw if someone wanna try, +150mhz with afterburner in the gpu doesn't change temps a bit, although performance it's almost the same