*** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

Turn on the GPU activity monitor in the Nvidia control panel and make sure nothing is pinging the GPU still.

 

Nice they have a 2 year warranty like sager. You might have used a credit card with Amazon that has buyers assurance which could extend your warranty (my amex gave me an extra year) From what I've seen I think they are really aiming to please since they are new to the market. They look pretty good on RR http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Eluktronics_com

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So, has anyone figured out how to keep the GPU from power throttling the CPU?

If I undervolt the CPU by -180mv, I gain 200mhz (3.2ghz, to 3.4ghz)

Still well below the 4.2ghz my 6820HK is capable of without the GPU blasting.

 

I played around with OCing the 6820HK using throttle stop. I did eventually get the CPU running at 4.0GHz though keeping it from throttling was difficult even after turning up the TDP in the BIOS. I think to get to over 4.0GHz I would have to overvolt the CPU and my temps are low enough that I could do that. However, I went back to the default BIOS settings and used TS to undervolt using an offset of -120mV. Then using TS to keep the multiplier fixed at 36 and clock fixed at 3.6GHz I got nearly as good performance using wprime (like 20% better than without those settings). I might tinker with all this again some day, but I'm not that excited about OCing.

 

Sounds great on the thermal paste upgrade. I've emailed their sales team and awaiting a response. Sorry you had a bad experience with their support, I know customer service is very good at the other re-sellers I mentioned, but these prices are very good value and hard to pass on.

How did you find their name brand SSD's? I really wanted an 960 EVO, but I can always upgrade later on.

I was going to do the same with Amex, thanks for the reminder and for the link, very encouraging reviews!

 

Quoting myself below: You can use Afterburner voltage curve function to undervolt the GPU. Perhaps this will leave some more headroom for CPU OC.

Best regards

phila

 

Double post

 

Goofy name aside, Eluktronics is great, very fast responses, they sent me a new panel too after I asked to try another and let me install myself. They currently are fixing it now though due to unrelated issues

 

Update: I've been told metal only on the A panel and C panel. I assume A panel is the outside of the lid part, and the C panel is the outside of the guts part. So I guess sides and back and front and around keyboard/touchpad are plastic. That's not as specific as I would have liked, but given that apparantly there is no way to actually see one of these in the Los Angeles area, I suppoose that plus some youtube videos and reviews is the closest I will get to understanding the build quality. I have searched this thread for words like "metal" but I'm not able to find the answer to my question, by the way.

 

I own the p650rs. The top of the lid that extends to the sides is metal. The inside of the lid (screen bezel) is plastic, but pretty rigid. The palm rests and top surface appear to be metal or maybe a metal coating or inset.

Build quality is decent. About on par with MSI and Asus, not as good as Alienware or Razer (I have owned all). If you have ever seen Linus tech tips review of the venom blackbook on YouTube (same chassis) DO NOT believe his claim that the build quality is akin to a MacBook.

Edit: the bottom cover is entirely plastic on the exterior. The inside is coated is some sort of metal, presumably to help with heat management.

 

Thank you. That's the best description I have read, seen, or heard.
I think maybe, just maybe, this will be the right machine for me. The 502vs and 702vm are just so insanely cheap plastic it's almost like a joke ... like it's the plastic on a 99c kids toy, virtually ( there's a youtube video of the fake brushed metal on the the 502vs lid rubbing right off when somebody tried to clean of fingerprints )
The Alienware ... why, oh why, when other designers seem to be able to manager heat without a massive big rectangle sticking out the back, did they do that? And how did Alienware manager to get it to be 12 pounds? ( 5KG ? ) for just the laptop without power supply ? What kind of design review meeting were they sitting in were they all decided that was a good idea? It seems really strange, and unwarranted, from a deisng stnad

 

I think the Alienware is around 7.5-8 pounds. I agree on the ugly fan apparatus....ew. I had the AW 15r2 with 6820hk and 980m for a little over a year before getting my Sager. The design was excellent, and I would have bought another with 1070 had they not boneheaded the design. Ugh.

I loved that AW 15r2...too bad.

 

Alright so I've got my laptop now, super happy with it so far. I used throttlestop to undervolt -50mV so far and will test it over the next few days to see how it goes.

I have Clevo CC 0.50 installed without the XTU's and only set it to custom fan profile. Runs super quiet, idle CPU temps are current 55 deg Celcius and GPU temps are at 49 deg C.

My only issues are:
1) The computer stutters for a few seconds on startup when loading Clevo CC. Is this normal? Task manager says it has very high startup impact but I'm not sure if it can be changed or not. Without Clevo CC installed, the startup is buttery smooth.

2) In Nvidia control panel there is no option for GSYNC or Vertical Sync or Frame limiting. What's going on here?

 

What bios version do you have?

For gsync options are you in discrete mode?

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I'm not really picky on SSD's, but it was adequate for my needs. I don't have it anymore or I'd try some tests. Their website has some info. I believe this is the one you mentioned in your earlier post.
http://www.eluktronics.com/500gb-ssd-msata-iii-6-gb-s-mlc

 

Anybody knows a CPU/GPU disassembly video for the P650? I'll be receiving a unit 2 weeks from now for my cousin and 1st thing I would do is change the stock TP. This will be my first time so any video will help. I mean I'm a techy guy who can figure out these things myself, but like I said this is not my unit so I have to be extra careful. Also I ordered a Grizzly Kryonaut and any tips with this TP would also be appreciated. Thanks guys!

 

New graphic driver came 376.09:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/376.09/376.09-notebook-win8-win7-64bit-international-whql.exe
http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/376.09/376.09-notebook-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe

 

I had a problem when trying to install 376.09. When the installer was searching for compatible hardware, it said something like "no compatible video card". Clevo P650RP6(G) here with GTX 1060. Anyone had the same problem?

 

This drivers are for 1070 check on official geforce website drivers for 1060

 

I have BIOS version 1.05.05TEU

And no I am in mshybrid mode. Do I need to be in discrete mode to see gsync option?


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Just remove all the screws you see (including those of the fans), and the you should be able to remove the heatsink. One word of warning though: there are some cables that I have no ideas as to how to disconnect from the motherboard, and as a result, I was not able to fully detach the heatsink. Also, make sure you memorize where the thermal pads are; right now, I'm a bit worried that one of the thermal pads on my laptop might be in the wrong location.

 

I'm comparing NP153-S/P650RS between XoticPC and HIDEvoltuon. Is the PREMA BIOS effective for someone who is just gaming and using this for school? I don't intend to OC anything.


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I found them by searching for 1060 for notebooks...

 

Yep, need to be in discrete mode to see most of the advanced nVidia options. Use CCC to switch, or switch in BIOS on startup.

 

Okay thanks. I got that sorted out now.

My idle temps seem really high. Supposedly Eurocom uses coollaboratory paste on the CPU but my temps are currently at 78 celsius and I only have outlook and explorer running.


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That's really really bad...

 

I checked the task manager and outlook was using a stupid amount of CPU for some reason. I closed it down and temps dropped to 50 celsius with iTunes, 2 monitors and excel. Seems more reasonable.


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What was the cpu usage? If it was full or near full load that's not that worrying, I thought you meant normal cpu usage which for something like that should be under 10%.

 

It fluctuated a ton, from 20-70%. It was organizing out boxes or something but once I closed it down everything was good again.


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Check your cpu temps under 100% load. Run OCCT or something and report back.

 

What @Galm said! Actually, you can run HWINFO64 to monitor temps and wprime v1.5 with 8 threads to keep the CPU cranking for a while. You can get both here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/phoenix-software-updates.794490/

These are my initial results with the 6820HK:
213.21 sec (8 threads / 1024M) @ 64C

Undervolting by -120mV and using throttlestop to lock the clock and multipliers so I had 3.6GHz gave me a somewhat better number:
179.383 sec (8 threads / 1024M) @ 66C

 

Alright so I ran wPrime like you said:
I have the 6820HK as well, undervolted by -120mV with throttlestop
204.892 sec (8 threads / 1024M) gave a max of 87 Celcius.

That seems high to me. I've only had the laptop for a day though, does the paste need to set or should I already be thinking about repasting?

 

Perhaps. They aren't dangerous but they are high.

 

Wow, yes, that is 20C higher than I was getting...

Do you have CCC installed? Make sure you don't install XTU (you have to edit the "oem.ini" file and set the XTU<something>=1 flag to XTU<something>=0 before running the installer). Use CCC to set the fans to max and try again just to make sure it isn't the fan tables being messed up.

But with those temps I think the culprit may be something like poor contact between heat sink and CPU... =( I don't think CLLU needs to set.

 

The only mention of XTU in the oem.ini file is "SupportXTUFanTable=1". This is what I set to 0, then install? (Just making sure).


I ran the test again after doing all that,
-120 mV w/ throttlestop
204.446 sec (8 threads / 1024M) gave me a max of 90 celcius.

I'm also connected to an external monitor. Is that issue still ongoing or has it been fixed?

 

Liquid metal don't need cure time. But isn't a good choice if heatsink is uneven/warped.

 

Yes, that is the one. Fan is maxed in CCC? Yikes...

Also, just to check, did you do an nvram reset?

I think @Papusan hints at the problem - the heat sink is not making good contact with the CPU. I would contact your reseller. The temps should not be that high under full load with default settings.

 

I got it from Eurocom. I'll have to give them a call in the morning to see what they can do for me.

Yeah, I did the nvram reset following this:

 

Yeah, this is not what anyone wants to have to do, but I would consider an RMA if they don't bend over backwards to make this right.

I can personally recommend HIDevolution (contact @Donald@HIDevolution), but I know there are complications if you are overseas.

 

I was originally going to go with HID but Eurocom is in Ontario, albeit a few hours away. No crazy shipping costs or fees.


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I was originally going to get a Sager through @Larry@LPC-Digital but I knew right away I would want a better pasting job (based on some experiences reported on these forums). A little research into doing this myself made me realize I was in over my head - I don't trust myself with liquid metal and I wasn't sure I would be able to get the heat sinks to align well with the CPU and GPU surfaces. I figured with HID at least the work was covered under warranty. I'm sure this is what you would expect from Eurcom as well.

FYI: @Eurocom Support @EurocomTechspert - please chime in, the CPU temps for @GeoFrank91 seem really high for a CLLU paste job!

 

Appreciate the help here fellas. I really do appreciate it.

My EC version is 1.05.03, is there a newer version of it from XMG? I can't find it.

 

I don't think so - I think that is what I'm using. I think we are all anxiously awaiting the @Prema mod BIOS updates =)

EDIT: I am at BIOS 1.05.04 (from XMG) and EC 1.05.02 (stock from HID)

 

Yeah I'd like to try the Prema BIOS for this thing. I saw that HID Evolution offers it though for their p650rs laptops. I also saw that Eurocom is a Prema partner so I wonder what the hold up is.

 

Hi, everyone. I would really appreciate it if you can help me. I've ordered the Sager NP8153-S with an i7 6820HK a week ago and after reading over a 100 page in this thread, I still couldn't find answers to my questions.

It seems that there are problems OCing this CPU, can anyone explain what are the problems?
Is there an issue using XTU with this laptop? What is it? I was planning on using it.
Will the GPU power throttle the CPU as some users have reported? If so, when and to which extent? What would the clock speeds be if it's power throttled? Is this issue present at stock clock speed?
Can using the Clevo control center cause high temperatures? If so, how to avoid that?

Excuse me if these questions have been asked many times before, this thread is pretty huge now and it's really hard to dig through all the pages. I tried lol. Also, as you probably can tell, I'm new to overclocking, this is my first Clevo laptop and my first post in notebookreview.

Have a great day all!

 

That's the same laptop and CPU that I own. I can't answer all of your questions but I can give you my experience.

First off I don't think there's any consistent problems (or solutions) with this system. Some people are seeing higher temps than others. Some people have problems with fan speed. Once I updated to a more recent BIOS I have had no problems with the laptop. I have CCC installed (by default) and I haven't had problems with fans or temps. I'm sure it has XTU as well and again - I haven't noticed any issues. I briefly considered uninstalling CCC and XTU but decided not to because the system is running fine.

I think most people here would recommend undervolting the CPU, which will help with temps across the board due to a shared heat pipe. I haven't done this yet because I've heard the Prema BIOS, when released, will allow you do this in the BIOS which I'd prefer.

If you do plan on OC'ing you might want to use a laptop cooler. I have one just to get some extra airflow underneath (don't even use the fans on it.)

Hopefully you'll get some more detailed answers here from people who have done more tweaking.

 

So I called @Eurocom Support @EurocomTechspert and they asked me to loosen off and reseat the heat sink to try and. Get rid of any bubbles but that didn't work unfortunately.

I'm sending it in for RMA and they will repaste. If that doesn't work then they'll replace the heat sink. If that doesn't work they'll replace the machine.

 

...and if that doesn't work they better give you your money back! =P

Seriously though this is good news even though it is a major pain I know to not have the laptop for a while... =(

I suspect they will be careful and run benchmarks and check temps before sending it back your way.

BTW - I would suggest starting a thread in the resellers feedback forum. This is very helpful for folks navigating the tricky Clevo buying process as you have. It is also a good opportunity for @Eurocom Support and @EurocomTechspert to chime in (you could send them a heads up).

 

Good idea, I will do just that. They've been really great so far, in terms of customer service.


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Hello everyone,
I have an issue with Gsyn option on this laptop and I would like to know if someone had already this issue
When I put Gsyn on on Nvidia Control Panel and VSync off in game, when I goes below 60fps, the frame rate goes directly to 30fps, which seems strange as it is more related to Vsync behavior
Do you know what could be the problem ?
Thanks in advance