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Ok, so there are some conflicting feelings on CCC. Some people don't notice any problems. Others hate it and just uninstall it, but then you can't control the keyboard lights (depends on how important that is to you). The part that people dislike in the CCC is the XTU processes that it has in it. What I did is install the latest version that doesn't have XTU in it. This removes the overclocking capability, but keeps everything else. Others have installed the latest version, but in the .ini file set XTU = 0 to get a similar result. I don't know if anyone knows what is "best" tbh.

EDIT: 1.05.06 BIOS and 1.05.03 EC is fine. Don't worry about a new BIOS for now - maybe when the Prema BIOS comes out.

 

Is the XTU for overclocking the GPU or CPU?


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Thanks for your response. Your observations make sense. Based on Alienware forums, they indicated the 15r3 also has a 120Hz AU optronics B156HTN 1080p display with G-Sync. However I could not find neither have any users replied so as to be specific about the model no. ie. B156HTN05.2. I assumed it would have been same.
The review comparing both 120Hz 1080p TN AUO G-sync vs stock IPS 1080p screen is shown here in this thread (15.6in) (after 54min in the video):
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-17-r4-120hz-tn-vs-ips-video.797518/


The 120Hz TN did have a blue hue to the whites and lighter blacks. Colors were not spot on compared to the IPS stock - IPS did have more natural colors that is good for movies, photos, games etc. Unfortunately the IPS LG LP156WF6-SPB1 response time is crazy high with a 60Hz refresh rate. It has 68% adobeRGB and 90% sRGB but multiple reviews indicated presence of PWM.
http://www.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/acer-vn7-571g-review-broadwell-gtx-850m/#screen
http://laptopmedia.com/review/acer-...t-keeps-whats-good-from-the-previous-version/
http://www.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/acer-aspire-vn7-592g-review-v-15-nitro-black-edition/#screen
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-V-15-Nitro-VN7-572G-72L0-Notebook-Review.153424.0.html

No color and PWM information on the 120Hz is still available. Both have huge pros and cons I guess. Thanks for your input.

 

Intel XTU is in theory for overclocking the CPU, but tbh I do not know exactly what the XTU services that are inside of CCC are for. Like I said - I have found them to mess with fan tables and reverted to a version of CCC without them. I suppose if you want to OC the CPU and GPU you may have to live with louder fans, which is understandable.

 

I am assuming newer laptops will have the latest CCC installed by default (that contains XTU by default). Does it create problems only when the XTU-app is opened for the first time? Or having it itself creates the problem therefore in all new laptops, we have to manually delete it in safe mode? Will appreciate your opinions. Thanks!

 

First thing I would do is just run it as is, not touch anything in CCC, and see if you think it is running fine. If you notice high idle temperatures or fans that are too aggressive then it's time to start doing something. But if you see no problems then don't worry about it.

 

Perfect! Will playing with keyboard rgb lighting start the CCC problems? Or I should not even bother opening CCC?

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My problems started specifically when I switched from standard to custom fan profile in CCC. Then I had to do all sorts of things to fix it - uninstall CCC, reset vram, etc. Now I installed an earlier version and made sure to not touch the fan profiles, but I switched the keyboard lights on/off without a problem.

 

Mine seems to be running great now thanks to all you guys input. After changing the nvidia control panel power to adaptive and uninstalling CCC and then a vram reset, then reinstalling the CCC (with XTU I believe) I'm currently getting CPU Idle 34 degrees and GPU idle 39 degrees with now fans barely if at all running. I don't overclock as I have the i7 6700hq. I will avoid touching the custom fans as it sounds like a major issue. My Firestrike stress test and Arma III gameplay for 30 minutes resulted in CPU 77 and GPU 75 as the max temps.


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Those are pretty much the same results as mine. I'm glad it was just a quick fix in nVidia control panel. As long as temps stay in the 70s when gaming and the fans are quiet when idle you should be good to go!

 

Man wished I would have seen this info before grabbing the 120hz model. I play at home on my desktop and have a Acer Predator XB271HU which has spoiled me. The 60hz IPS panel on this laptop looks amazing but it is sluggish, and hinders some fast gameplay on some games (rocket league) so I planned to get the 120hz model and sell my 60hz. Immediately upon turning on the 120hz panel version I couldn't believe how ugly the colors were. Washed out colors, grey for black, blue hue. But it is noticeably faster and much much smoother on those fast motion games. I've struggled with which one I want, I'm ultimately leaning towards keeping the IPS model as I luckily have little bleeding on it. Hopefully when the 120hz one returns from RMA it looks better or I'll stick with the IPS. Even calibrating with my colormunki it didn't help the improve my feelings on the TN 120hz panel looks.


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New models are out!

NP8155
NP8156
NP8157

 

Hmm. Its 2017, and we have Kaby-Lake. However, it still has HDMI 1.4! I was hoping it will be HDMI 2.0 by now at least. Wondering what technological issue or licensing issue is preventing them from adopting a already established and revised format.

 

So they are identical, other than the Kaby-lake?


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Seems like it. Perhaps a different chipset inside, not sure, but otherwise they seem to be identical.

 

Any remarkable improvements to be expected from kaby lake?

Also, I just finished witcher 3, playing at max at 63C feels so awesome

 

Identical except:
Intel chipset
Intel chip
Win 10 installed

The new version 8157 is the 8153-S equivalent.

No gaming improvements (~300MHz+, ~6% improvement = 2-3 fps diff). The new chip has native HDMI 2.0 support, TB3 support, improvements to 4K HEVC encoding, improved graphics iGPU, auto overclock (speed-shift) and Optane memory support. None of these would probably matter in day-day tasks and gaming.

The sad part is Sager's website shows a HDMI 1.4b 2009 ver rather than the revised 2013 ver of HDMI 2.0 (Even though both 7700HQ and 1070 fully support HDMI 2.0 needed for 4K@60Hz). My guess is the intel chipset HM175 doesn't allow the bandwidth? Idk, just a guess.

 

Have a IPS 4k 60Hz monitor setup. I am so used to it now, I have become picky if colors are not natural. Hence my hesitation towards 120Hz. But yes, 120/144Hz monitors is buttery smooth, no doubt about that

 

I'd love to try 4K, but just like IPS ruined older TN displays, 4k would ruin me for good and I'd never want less resolution lol. 1440p really would be a sweet spot for this laptop, I'd rather that than a 120hz display.


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To gamers the 120hz is going to offer the most benefit, even in a game like hearthstone it can make an amazing difference.

 

True. And I admit it is noticeably better and really cannot be seen by video or anything imo, have to experience it for yourself. I just wish IPS at 120hz wasn't a fortune.


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Similar to comparing 30fps and 60fps in video.

 

This is true to a point. Now, I hate to bash what is seemingly new tech in the industry, but the panel's colors aren't simply just off slightly. Don't get me wrong, the 120hz feel is noticeable, but at the same time so is the color. There is some banding and the colors are slightly washed out, but the color distortion hurts the most here. I don't know how similar other panels (of the same model) are, but I see dark greens in the grey-scale that really 'pop' especially with lots of banding. It wouldn't be a big deal if grey-scale wasn't heavily used in everything. Further, I can't say if this is a problem with the banding, but a lot of your darker backgrounds on web pages as well as thumbnails and low resolution images get more pixelated(?) than usual.

That being said, the panel is great for games where 120hz is beneficial: CSGO, Overwatch, LoL, Dota, etc.. and if that is your end goal, then this panel will serve well. However, if you game on the side or enjoy games with active art forms (i.e. Binding of Isaac) in addition to demanding titles alongside web browsing and seeing pictures and content as it was intended to be seen, then you may want to consider another panel.

Increasing the brightness by 10% alleviates most of the noticeable banding/color distortion but at the same time loses the black and makes the colors appear even more washed out (if you'd prefer).

Also, for any of those wondering, I have no issue using the Vive with the np8153-S. It works like a charm

 

I couldn't have said this better myself. I agree the motion etc with 120hz is excellent and smooth, especially with the 1070 being able to handle 90-130 fps easily in a lot of games. But the colors are so awful I could barely enjoy the smooth gameplay as I was so focused on the terrible color accuracy. Maybe this was just my panel, but I was pretty disappointed. I too had the weird color effect, my blacks when I adjusted them as much as I could to make them as dark as possible turned almost green/brown if I wanted to maintain a decent white or other colors. If you don't have a good calibration device it's just plain awful to look at. My device did pretty well but it was still pretty sad to look at. I even at one point was embarrassed to show my brother my new laptop because the screen felt like a 5 year old laptop. I too noticed the text on websites and folders looked like my resolution was below 1080 because they appeared more pixelated. Needless to say, I wouldn't recommend the 120hz display, the colors are just awful.


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Hi Guys,

I got a P650RS myself. So far I am pretty satisfied. Before I was actually trying a Gigabyte P35V6 but that thing was a piece of junk...
Yesterday I played around a little with the CCC. Seems every version brings different fan settings. Now I got .72 installed and it also got another setting called "Overclock" not only "Max", "Auto" and "Manual".
Anyway the fans could be a little bit less agressive. Because I don't need the temperatures to be always as low as 40°C.
As far as I read from this ridiculous big thread, a bios upgrade didn't change anything about the aggressive fans, right?
Is there a custom Bios coming? Anybody knows that?

 

Hey guys, just wanna check what is your hard disk drive temperature hovering at? Mine comes with 1TB HGST 7200 rpm and after turning on the laptop for a while, the hdd temperature hover at around 45-46degC even at idle. This temperature is enough to be felt through the right palm rest. Is this normal?

 

My 1TB HGST 7200 rpm idles at 31° according to HWiNFO64.

 

How about during light usage? Like when surfing the net or something? I find my HDD temperature slowing inching up despite not much disk activity..

 

The colour can change with brightness, a profile for lower brightness might help.

 

Doesn't go above 35° (just to clarify it's not my OS drive).

 

Ok thanks. It's not my OS drive either. How about the hdd temps for other users? It just find it strange when the hdd idling temperature is higher than the cpu and gpu..

 

It has a motor so it will be naturally warmer. It should not go up massively during load.

 

I've honestly never paid any attention to my hard drive temps. Mine is hovering around 30 degrees, but it too is not my OS drive.


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Above 50c is getting on the hot side on the HDD.

 

Another thing, did anyone recognize hangs or a mini freeze after shutting down a fullscreen game? It happens like 15 sec after closing the game. Back to desktop, it hangs for 3-5 sec. Guess it could be the gsync, fast sync or driver related stuff. (650rp6 gf1060)

 

I occasionally get the freezes. I think it is Gsync. Some games like Dark Souls III will lock up the system when closed if you have Gsync on. I also get a lot of delay changing any setting in the nvidia control panel.


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So just so we're clear this http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,396,0)ec Eurocom Sky MX5 R2 is the same as the model discussed in this thread?

If so, then to sum it, is this laptop worth the squeeze for an amateur or should I go for more mainstream casual models like Asus Rog, MSI...

 

That's the same laptop. As for whether it's worth it, that's up to you. Do you want a gaming rig with a 1070 in it or not? If you are ok with lower-end GPUs such as the 1060 or even the 1050/TI then there are other good options. But if you want the 1070 then this is hands down the best option out there.

 

What happens if you turn g-sync off?

 

Yes. But I'm hesitating between that and a Gigabyte P35. Lack of specific reviews for this specific eurocom model also makes me hesitate, is there someone who experienced it in this thread?
Mostly knowing about the standard display (not 4k) and temps/fan noise is always a must for me.

 

Why not query them directly for specs? The cooling is identical across resellers.

 

I'm not sure I would trust a seller to give me accurate stress test values, throttling test and fan noise.

 

There was talk of a Prema BIOS but I haven't heard a peep about one coming in ages. I was holding out for that in the hopes that I could use it to undervolt the CPU. If it never materializes I guess I'll have to install some software for it.

 

Does it ever throttle for example?

 

Any review for the p650rs-g or np8153-s or sky mx5 r2 will be the same as they are all the same laptop. Resellers just put in their own ram or hard drives or the 6700hq/6820hk CPUs and screens. And even then its usually all the same hardware across the resellers.

The laptop is great for gaming. Automatic fan profile with CCC isn't crazy loud and keeps the laptop cool. For even better cooling you can lift up the back of the laptop with a mat or flat piece of wood or plastic and it will stay very cool and never get overly loud.

I've yet to encounter any throttling.

My sky mx5 r2 has been great and eurocom customer service has been fantastic. I definitely recommend them based on personal experience. I'm super happy with the laptop also, as I said in my post in the reseller feedback.

 

What this guy said. I was pleasantly surprised by my MX5. My only issue has been with trying to get a Prema BIOS for it, which so far has been unsuccessful.

 

Not so much about backup for files, but more about the OS. It's entirely possible that I misunderstood something I read, but I thought that installing Win7 on this type of machine was a big hassle if doing so from a USB stick....

 

What's the standard heavy load noise level with this laptop? Anyone tried measuring it?

 

Here is a detailed review of the P650 with the 1060.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-P507-Clevo-P651RP6-G-Notebook-Review.172321.0.html

 

I don't think the prema bios is available yet for our laptops.


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