*** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

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Well, it's about time I decided to experiment (as in, likely, break my freaking expensive laptop beyond repair).

Are there any glass screen protectors available for P650?

I want to actually try seeing if the hard coating is removable and turn my Sager into Macbook Pro (or rather Razer Blade given its specs). If it's not I guess I'll just have a better-protected screen (not that I take my laptop outside much), but I really don't want to start messing around without having something to cover the unprotected display. I'm not sure a soft protector would help because at this resolution it might still end up causing some grain...

 

I assume SGD is Singapore Dollars? So SGD 729 is about US$537 or £361 - so that's only about £20 more than I paid and still pretty good for a 1TB SSD

 

Have you RMAed your machine yet? Also are you using Razer Synapse? Got a Razer headset?

Agreed.. probably the only thing that prevented me from becoming fatter...

SGD isn't that strong so 700 SGD is quite a bit.. On the other hand, 350 quid isn't that much or is it

 

Yes, it's with MySN now.

I don't have a Razer Headset, but do have Razer Synapse (for my Razer Death Adder mouse), though MySN uninstalled that and re-started the machine, and it wasn't that. They don't get the hiss when logged into the non-primary account, but do on the main account. They're going to do a fresh windows install (I have everything backed-up) as can't isolate what's causing it, but it doesn't seem to be a hardware issue

Well salaries in Singapore are generally higher than in the UK, 350 quid isn't that much for a 1TB SSD, though I guess it's still about 4 times the cost of an HDD that size (though more than 4 times faster!)

 

Bit the bullet, ordered a P650SE. She should hold me off until Skylake...

 

Yep - SGD is Singapore Dollars. I have to be fair here - it is cheaper than what an SSD would've cost 3 years ago - it was on average a dollar per gigabyte back then. So 1 TB would be at least a thousand dollars, even in the U.S.

However, $730 is actually quite a lot of money here if you look at the low-income, blue-collar workers who come here from India/Bangladesh/Pakistan. $730 translates to some 33,000 INR - enough money to feed a family of four for at least a couple of months in India.

I'd still rather save money where I can, and since I usually don't do any disk-intensive work, I don't need that kind of speed for my larger storage drive. As they say in memes: I grew up with hard drives, moulded by them. I didn't see SSD speeds until I was a man. And true enough, my first computer with an SSD is my Clevo.

 

High tech goods usually carry such a premium everywhere.

 

Congrats!

 

Ultimately I chose the 8652 instead of say the 9752 due to both weight( I'm going to be carrying it 6-8 hours a day) and battery life differences. I also don't need a desktop CPU. I have a desktop for that.

 

For my 13 inch Yoga, I mirrored my father and have been using a Think Tank Artificial Intelligence 13 V3.0 as both a sleeve and carrying case, and absolutely love it.

For my P650SE, I am again considering the same brand, but the 17 inch version. (The 15 inch model is too small.)

Does anyone have any experience in a similar style of slim, messenger/sleeve cases for consistent mobility with the P650SE?

 

I personally use this one,

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...1428682128&sr=8-2&keywords=amazon+laptop+case

it works perfect and is a good size for the laptop, power brick & screen cleaning solution and cloth

 

Can someone please help with understanding why my laptop has full CPU-load on System (thread ACPI.sys) after changing to battery? It happens in 1 minute approx. and just stays like that!

Newest drivers, latest premamod, Win8.1 x64 fully updated.
It is not related to Clevo's program HotKey as I have proclaimed earlier, it only locks the CPU.

I can make it go away by "Searching for devices" in Device Manager, but if I'm on battery it comes back.
Tried to disable Wifi, LAN, Bluetooth and FingerPrint devices, no luck.

What the hell is going on?

PS: It could very well be the battery, since it only shows percentage not estimated time, it triggers after 1 minut, (when windows asks battery time left), only happens on battery and I can fix it using "Search for devices" and connecting power to the laptop.

What do you think of my hypothesis and can someone test this?

 

Full CPU load (IE 100%) but of what CPU Clock speed.

As you must know mobile CPU's will dynamically alter their clock speed. That goes double when on Battery. So 100% of, say, 1.2GHZ (I think 1.2GHz is the max speed on battery? someone confirm) would only be 45% @ 2.6GHz and (turbo... 3.6GHz = 33%) of course.

Having said that, sounds like you ALSO have some background processes or whatever consuming CPU too.

 

In Build Queue at Mythlogic now, got a p650sg with bx100 500 gb hopefully coming soon. Will try to write up a quick review touching on build quality and some of the intangibles since there are so many other good reviews already. Also gonna try to run super modded skyrim if anyone is interested also.

 

Hey guys, I'm set on getting the NP8561 but I'm having trouble deciding whats the best route for HD config. should I get one 512gb 850 Pro or 1tb sata3 with 256gb m.2 drive? which seems to be the smarter choice? The option for just the 512gb 850 pro is $150 more. Is it worth it?

 

Depends what you use your computer for.

I don't think it's worth the extra $150 bucks though if I had to choose.

256GB is more than enough for your OS, and main applications.

 

Just general use plus gaming and for work. hmm I am kind of on a budget. I shall wait for more input thanks Bernie.

 

Could always pick up your own SSD to install as well. The Samsung 850 EVO 500GB is ~$180.00

 

If your watching the pennies, then ordering a 256GB SSD M.2. SATA3 and 1TB HDD makes a lot of sense for a general usage use case.

Note that SSD's only hit their max speed at 512GB & 1TB. IE 128GB & 256GB are slower than the headline/review numbers.

 

ok thanks guys! I think ill go for the budget config.

 

I use the same bag. Believe it or not, I actually prefer it over my Booq bag now.

 

Full CPU Load means a single thread (ACPI.sys) goes into a wait loop, making the CPU use all cycles available for a single process, in my case 3.5 Ghz on a single core with 100% usage of that one core.

Now it is true that Clevo put a lock on 1.45 Ghz on battery, but it easily removed with "ThrottleStop", which is actually why I have noticed this crazy ACPI.sys thread, since it makes the laptop get really hot.

Any clues? Can anyone reproduce the problem? Do you have values for "Estimated time left" in Windows?

 

I would try doing a system restore and seeing if it's something you have installed.

 

The difference between a 1tb hdd and a 2Tb hdd in price is minimal...personally I ordered my rig without any hdd or ssd and bought my own 500gb m.2 crucial mx200 and 2Tb samsung spinpoint 9mm

 

I have exactly the same config.

 

This is actually the third independent Win8.1 x64 installation on this machine that it is happening to.

I am basically using the same applications, as with my old HP (Also i7-4xxx and Nvidia 7xx) which never did this, nor did my Medion (i7-3xxx + Nvidia 6xx) before that..
Do you have battery indication other than percent?

 

True dat.

However 1TB is the largest 7mm drive, everything else AFAIK is 9.5mm.

Therefore it's down to whether you want to use the whole bay with one larger disk, or half the bay with a <= 1TB HDD and leave the other half for the future.

Personally, I went with a m.2 PCIe SSD & a 7mm 1TB (Slim Blue 5400RPM... great for media) and I'll move a 840EVO over from my last laptop to join it when that dies.

 

I am using a 9.5mm 1TB HDD and a mx100 ssd in my p650SE. You just have to enlarge the holes on the bracket and it fits fine

 

Hmm wondering if I should upgrade to the 980m from the 970m... It's a $200 difference, is it worth it? What are the pros and con's between the two models? ( heat difference, power difference, IPS screen difference, speed difference after GPU OC?) I can still change my order since my laptop is backordered till Tuesday since they are out of the IPS screens for the 970m model.

 

so is it possible to connect two M.2 drives into raid 0 and get around 1000mbps speeds?

 

For me it was not the price increase but the added thickness to the computer. I travel extensively and the NP8652 with the 980m was thicker so I personally preferred the 970m and the smaller size.

 

No. These laptops have 1x M.2 PCIe slot & 1x M.2 mSATA slots and there is no motherboard/BIOS support to RAID over these two slots.

However I get 1,406 MB/s sequential on my M.2 PCIe SSD so who needs RAID!

 

Actually RAID is possible over both 2.5" bays or both M.2 slots if they're populated with M.2 SATA SSDs. If you're using a PCIe SSD in one of the M.2 slots, you can't use a SATA SSD in the other M.2 slot thus there is no RAID.

 

For me, I wanted the 980m for two reasons:

1. I have a 4K panel, so the extra oompth is nice right now. I can always run it at 2K and it's pin sharp.

2. Extra 1GB of vRAM (4GB 980m vs 3GB 970m). Should help with larger textures in future games as some are taking 2-3GB now.

The 4mm extra thickness of the SG (compared to the SE/SA) ensure the temps are pretty much the same.

For me the extra money was worth it, only you can answer that question for yourself.

 

Interesting. Could you show us a photo of this mod? I'm thinking about doing the same. Any machining involved? Do you have to swap the bottom cover for the P650SG cover?

 

I think I did take some pictures, you just need a small file to enlarge the holes. The connectors flex a little but it is alright; well within normal bounds for PCB's.

 

what sort of overclocks are you guys getting on the 970m and the 980m? and are you still using the stock 180 watt PSU? if not what are you using?

 

I too prefer the smaller size, also to upgrade to a 980M for me would have been £260 (i.e. $380)

 

I thought if you have a 980M GPU (i.e. Clevo P65xSG), then it is large enough to use one 9.5mm drive and one 7.5mm drive at the same time? There isn't room for both in (unmodded) in a P65xSE, though

 

I was told that you can use a M.2 SATA ssd and a PCIe ssd, certainly all of the web configure options I have seen allow and if it couldn't run PCIe and the SATA at the same time I would hope that they would disable it.

 

The web configurators are screwy. You can have 1 x M.2 PCIe or 2 x M.2 SATA. If the SIM card slot is occupied, the M.2 PCIe slot is disabled.

 

If this was true then the XMG p505, which is confirmed to have a sim slot installed, would not allow you to install a PCIe ssd. The PCIe ssd is a confirgurable option so why would they knowling allow you to order and pay for a PCIe ssd when ,according to you, it won't work ?

EDIT:
in their options the second M.2 sata only drive is disabled if you enable the 4g option.

 

Sorry, I got the locations mixed up. I meant the M.2 slot next to the SIM slot, which like you said is the SATA/3G+4G one. The M.2 SATA/PCIe slot is next to the battery.

It doesn't help that videos such as this one and HTWingNut's review make the same mistake putting the PCIe slot next to the SIM slot:

 

I still don't understand why putting a PCIe in one of the slots would disable the other one, and have been told differently from representatives.

 

Well here it is straight from Clevo: http://www.clevo.com/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=737&lang=en

My guess is there isn't enough bandwidth/PCIe lanes to accommodate both.

 

I pointed that exact thing out to the represenative and they said thats not what that means, it would help to get a clarification from someone at clevo/sager/reseller that it can do 1 PCIe and one SATA at the same time

 

Just bought GTA 5 for 37$CAD (PM me if you want a link)
Prema needs to hurry with the unlocked 309 BIOS release

 

@Those who still vouch for P750ZM: Battery life cripples my choice. Waiting for next installment before I go full DTR.

 

Sounds like Nuuvem? Ha.

Nvidia have just released drivers specially 'ready' for GTA:V ( http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/83819/en-us).

I'm on 345.20 (and I don't think my bios is locked). Will I risk locking my bios if I upgrade to these drivers?