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If you want the fans to be totally silent, set yourself in personalized fan profile in the Hotkey software.

Drives can also make noise, do you have a traditional hard drive or ssd?

 

That's because of the clevo hotkey app.... whenever you change power profiles and even when it launches at startup the fans ramp up and down 2 times.... it's normal

I wouldn't consider this a problem... the rest of the time my fans are working normally.

 

Hi guys, what thickness in thermal pads do you use in P650SG? I want to apply in M.2 SSD. Any other place that you recomend to apply?

 

Yep, it must be the harddrive. My macbook had only an SSD. I am constantly downloading games so it is making some noise but it is ok.

Thanks for your replies.

As for the screen? This grainy aspect is normal for non-glossy screen?

 

Your computer may have came with some, I know Sager has included them before. Its a purple color and usually in the bag with screws and other spare hardware parts.

 

There is no need to place them elsewhere unless you intend on trying to tweak the height of the heatsink and I would recommend such a thing to only advanced users as getting it wrong could be dangerous.

 

@ DarioP do you have any kind of configuration guide for bumblebee? I followed some found online, but so far nothing is working.

Also, I completed benchmarks in gputest under Linux and prime, but somehow under Windows it won't load to 1920x1080... Any idea?

 

Non glossy displays do it by using a light diffusion layer which applies a grain to the screen, the coarseness of this grain defines how matte the screen is so any matte display will have a certain grain to the display.

 

My XMG P505 (a rebranded Clevo P651SE) came with some of the pad, even though I didn't order an M2 drive, so check what you've been sent

 

Indeed, I don't mind the grain, as it's much better not to have the screen act like a mirror, as with a glossy display and be hard to see!

 

I refuse to have mechanical hard drives in my notebooks anymore, so I went for the largest reasonably priced SSD I could find (non-M2 as am concerned about the heat issues with these)!

 

It depends on the user which is why you can get either you like.

 

The reason of my doubt its because I dont receive any, I read that the M.2 reaches high temperatures thats why I asked.
Do you know what thick have the thermal pads?

 

The M.2 drives can reach high temperatures but are designed to throttle performance it they get too hot. In these chassis there isn't a heat issue with them if installed correctly so it shouldn't be a concern. We have only had one M.2 drive fail out of all the ones we have sold so a very very low percentage!

 

The 850 evo drives do not run too hot

 

The highest temp I ever got from my 250GB M.2 M550 was 47C with ambient temps of 31C on my 8652. I did, however, attach the included thermal pads to dump heat from the controller to the chassis.

I think it's only the PCI-E M.2 drives that are running hot. The SATA drives seem to be doing just fine.

 

The 550s will get hot if you run a lot of I/O over a longer period but it will be fine with the pad.

The 850 evo drives are single sided which helps cooling.

 

For that matter so are the crucial MX200.

I have one in my system without any thermal pads and there are absolutely no problems with temps

 

I think a lot of manufacturers are shrinking the controller logic to get it running cooler now.

 

Do we need a heatsink for M.2 pcie ssd? Cause it gets hot.

 

Yea like we need another heat sink in these things . The M.2 pcie SSDs can run hot. If its surface is naked, you could place thermal pads on them. These are the little blue, putty like rectangles that the notebook seller may have sent with your system. Supposedly they would help lower high temps, but I have no direct experience there.

 

Is there any reason for drastic temperature changes at max gpu load? I usually get 60 degrees, but once or twice the temps have soared to 80+ degrees and GPU-Z indicates that the gpu is thermal throttling. No dust or airflow restriction is evident.

 

What are you doing on your laptop?

 

The harder a chip works, the hotter it gets, so yes under a maximum stress test it will get hotter.

 

Best would be to post a recording of gpu temps (with gpu z for instance) and telling us what you have been doing on your laptop during this recording.

 

I've been monitoring it today and it hasn't reoccured fortunately/unfortunately. I usually have gpu-z running in the background, and over the last month I've been using 3d programs, games, and 3d mark. My max temp over this period was 61 degrees, even when gpu-z indicates the gpu is under 100% load. I haven't tried any programs like furmark to stress the gpu beyond normal use however.

The jumps in temp occurred three times over the last few days, seemingly under normal operating conditions. It appears as a jump in temp with the gpu fan switching to something like 80 to 100% of full speed, and gpu-z indicating 80-86 degrees and thermal throttling. No programs other than the usual would be running at this time.

Edit: A few days ago, after booting and about 5 minutes into Windows, the laptop started beeping with corresponding flashing of the alt and caps lock leds. This has only happened once. A fellow member said that this was most likely an EC error, usually overheating or loss of temperature sensor signal. Maybe this is related?

 

The article in the ArchLinux wiki is very good, but I don't know how easy is to transfer it to ubuntu.

 

Quick unrelated word: two finger scrolling on the touchpad works much better under Ubuntu, 15.04 for what I tested, than under my windows 8.1 installation.

 

Do you have functioning three finger gestures? And to my experience using Mint 17.1 the performance of the touchpad is the same.
Furthermore there seems be lack of features in this regard across all Linux distros, because Synaptic does not care to release good open source drivers for Linux. Even on Windows I can't install another synaptic driver than the one they have "designed" for this particular machine. They really like to keep the cards close to the hand.

Basically if a new laptop comes out, synaptic might add a new feature (on the same hardware), which can only be used with that laptop. That is software monopoly on full load ;-)

 

I didn't play too much with it, but I have the three fingers tap binded to the central button and it works fine. I also think that the user experience with trackpads is much better with linux than in win. It was the same with my previous notebook.

 

Really? On what account of user experience?

My experience is that you will be fighting to have basic things like the three finger swipes or two finger zoom gestures that just always work across all applications seamingly like in Windows.

Trackpads used to work fine back in the last decade, where multi finger gestures where still unknown to most PC's, but once I got hands on Apple like capable hardware in trackpads I never had any good experience with Linux.

Tried all sorts Fedora, openSUSE, Ubuntu, Mint, #!, even Arch, never Gentoo, but almost anything really.
Tried a million different versions of libaries for handling input, even went as far as writing it in to Xorg.conf and so on.

And I did this on multiple laptops with different hardware (Synaptic and Alps) and never did I have the same functionality as with Windows.
I like Linux a lot, but it just rarely succeds Windows in hardware functionality and unfortunately I have grown accustomed to these things, which really suck

 

For me it's responsiveness and sensitivity. I never tried to get "advanced" functionalities like pinch zoom, rotation and so on. Letting Apple aside, do actually win provide them?

 

For myself I am only stating about two finger scrolling. Under Windows, it works but fingers need to be well apart to be detected. Under Ubuntu 15.04 it is less leggy, two finger scroll is always correctly detected no matter how I put my fingers.

 

It's been a few months since I've gotten my P650sg and it's been running great.

However, I decided to randomly check the health of my M550 ssd using HDtune and I got a "Reallocated Event Count" warning as can be seen in the screenshot:

Is this the beginning of the end for my ssd?

 

It's not end of the world yet.
First, do the basic disk utilities, error checking, disk repair, fix stuff, that's included in Windows.
usually by right clicking on your drive and going to Tools in Windows Explorer.
Also, looks a bit warm. is it M.2?
SMART parameters are notoriously stupid thanks to each manufacturer deciding what's bad and what's okay.
I've had this happen on newer drives than older ones for some reason.

 

Thanks for the tips. It's a standard SATA ssd so it's worrying that the temps are a bit high?

I've run the windows error checking utility, as well as Hard Disk Senteniel and HDtune's own error scan - all came back perfectly okay, including the SMART data read by HD Sentinel - But HDtune still reports "Reallocated Event Count". Think I'm good to go?

 

Yeah, with HDD near 50'c would be playing in the danger zone but with SSD's it's a bit nebulous when it comes to safe temp, but for longevity cold is better than warm in most cases. I'm guessing that the SSD's in tandem with the HDD in the case screwed and touching each other?

try some other "mainstream" SMART parameter readers (e.g. CrystalDiskInfo) to make sure it's not just HDtune that's reporting the flag. Also, make sure these other software is reading the specific SMART attribute (C4) from the disk and it should always be 0.

In the end, as always, best solution is having all your important data backed up.

 

SSDs don't mind a bit warmer, it extends NAND life.

 

Hey guys,

I'm confused between NP8652 and NP8652-S. I could not find much reviews on the Special model. Does anyone recommend the anything in particular? I would like an SSD and tending towards np8652-s, but i can get that as an addition to np8652. Is there anything else I should know? I am not going for the 4k display.

EDIT: I want the 16GB ram too

 

The S version is the same as the regular with some extras added @ discount price

 

Thanks, also, I read in some thread that Killer wireless chip has some problems in Ubuntu. Should I go for the Intel one?

 

I don't use Ubuntu so I don't know, at least the killer 1525 in my 670SG in windows 8.1 it works flawless

 

Yes, if you intend to use ubuntu thz killer card is not supported yet, but as stated one or two pages ago it shouldn't be too long before it is.

Under my Windows 8.1 it works flawlessly too

 

Hi guys finally got my laptop with 980m, Panasonic 3k, and killer 1525.

I am experiencing some problems and would appreciate any help

1. The wifi connection suddenly cuts (can't detect wifi signal) after a few minutes of use. Troubleshooting the connection problems fixes it but the problems occurs again after a few minutes.

2. The screen dims by itself even though I have set the Adaptive Brightness to OFF in all power plans.

3. Is there any way to install a Panasonic driver for the display instead of it showing a a generic pnp screen?

 

Update the systems EC to the latest version to fix 1525 problems.

Link is in my signature under stock section.

 

Thanks for the 1525 fix Prema!

 

Don't stress about how much RAM it comes with, this is the simplest thing to upgrade yourself (often for cheaper than buying more RAM with the computer) and you then get the choice about which RAM to get. I went for the minimum 4GB 1600Mhz RAM with my XMG p505, but removed this, and then bought and installed 16Gb (2x8Gb) Corsair Vengeance 2133Mhz RAM (Kingston Hyper-X 2133Mhz RAM is cheaper, but the Corsair has better CAS timings)

 

So I should go for the Killer card now or the Intel one? I use Ubuntu often since I am a programmer.

 

If it concerns you that much, just settle with the Intel card. (unless there's an issue with that too?)

All (almost) ubuntu device drivers are open sourced and worked on by the community.
devices that are more commonplace get more attention and rarer ones are often neglected. I had a wireless device that barely worked and when it finally got a working driver it worked way below its specification thanks to it being one of those rare ones. Later on, eventually, the development for the particular driver ceased with no further improvements. (coincidentally, it was also Atheros.)

Since there are enough people reporting the problem to the ubuntu community you'll get a driver that works but it'll still lacking functionalities (e.g. currently no bluetooth.) And I doubt that stuff killer was known for like QoS and laser beam explosions or whatnot would work just like it works on windows. Even if it's a wine installed driver, in my experience, it's never 100%

 

The CAS timing is the same, it's the sub timings that are a little tighter.