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Not surprising but MYSN weren't willing to sell me a display independently. I'm impressed by how friendly and helpful the rep was though.

It really does seem that you can only get these panels as part of the whole system. A shame.

I can only assume other UK sellers will be the same, so I guess it's not even worth checking pcspecialist for the matte Panasonic 3K display.

Buyer's regret really sinking in! Strange that it's taken this long to manifest but if I could go back in time and pick a matte display I would.

Apparently my anti-glare cover has been delivered so hopefully it'll be there when I get back and hopefully I'll be able to apply it properly. Knock on wood!

Oh, and I haven't tried Meaker's suggested method yet, I'll also do that tonight. Got distracted last night by other things!

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I checked to make sure there was no unknown devices and double checked and it seems all drivers have been installed (not sure if the proper ones are). Under Secure biometrics devices, there is a BIOS fingerprint reader and it seems the "driver provider" is Lightuning, and the driver version is 3.1.10.0 dated 8/8/2013.

 

OK, so I've found a UK seller on eBay that stocks the matte Panasonic 3K display. Maybe it'll be worth downgrading the resolution and vertical viewing angles in exchange for a matte display if I can't get the anti-glare cover to work.

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Thanks. I'll assume there's nothing wrong with the TPM device under Security Devices (if your notebook is from Eurocom). Your driver version is older than what I have but first, do you use Windows 7 or Windows 8?

 

So I've got the anti-glare cover on, without any bubbles (yay!). It's doing its job well - I immediately notice that the reflections are much, much less noticeable, which is fantastic! It has slightly increased the 'grain' effect though, which I'm really not a fan of. The display also seems a bit duller and dimmer in general than before - but I guess that's to be expected.

This is the Panasonic 3K matte display, going for £180 (~$281):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400911376124?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&fromMakeTrack=true

Seems a legit seller by the ratings and price of the display. Cannot locate any seller that is currently stocking the Sharp 4K matte display. Or the glossy one for that matter. Seems as if no one else has got their hands on them for individual sale (I'm not contemplating potentially dodgy Asian imports).

I wonder if it's worth going back to the Panasonic 3K. I say that because my Gigabyte P35X v3 had that panel, so I'm familiar with it. I could actually run that at 100% scaling (i.e. none). This Sharp display I'm running at 200%. But £180 is a lot to fork over if I'm just going to end up preferring the Sharp display anyway. Really hard to say if the Panasonic will have less 'grain' than this anti-glare cover is creating.

 

All matte screens will have grain on them. More grain = less reflections so it comes down to choosing the best balance for you.

 

Hmmm... divided over whether I want to order the Panasonic panel or not. The added grain is a bit off putting but hopefully I'll get used to it with time. And then there's no guarantee that I'll prefer the Panasonic anyway. Using it tonight went pretty well. I'll use it tomorrow morning in the daylight and see how it goes. Decide what to do from there.

In terms of backlight bleed, I've managed to minimize it enough for it to be tolerable - it's much less noticeable than it was before - by sticking the bezel on with white tack in some places instead of using the plastic clips (which put too much pressure on the display panel). Feels like a cheap workaround rather than a fix, but I guess there's not much else I can do about it.

 

I'm using windows 8.1, I really don't know what to do other than try drivers from other places.

 

Hmm...Yea, that's what I was actually going to suggest. For the BIOS fingerprint reader, I have version 3.1.11.0 dated 9/9/2013, so it's worth updating to see if it helps. Also worth installing or reinstalling the BioExcess fingerprint software to see if it helps (little blue icon in bottom right notification area).

I'd first go to "Programs and Features" and uninstall anything/everything that says "BioExcess" and "EgisTec Fingerprint Driver." Restart after uninstalls/as needed. Confirm uninstalls from device manager, as an unknown fingerprint device should now show up. Then download the "Finger.zip" Driver from mySN: HERE. Look under XMG>XMGP505>Drivers>Win8.1. Install that first as the driver only and restart as needed. Then also download the "Finger_EgisTecUI.zip" software from the same spot. Install that next, restarting as needed. Or you can combine the driver only from Clevo and the software from mySN. These things can be fidgety so try and see if those help.

 

@LoneSyndal - Did you notice an increased 'grain' effect when applying your anti-glare cover? More so than a factory matte panel? Still debating with myself whether I should try out the Panasonic 3K panel which might produce better results than this anti-glare cover.

 

I've noticed much more of the grain look from a screen cover vs a stock matte.

 

I guess because the screen had some 'graininess' already in it's naked form, it's essentially doubling up. Not a fan. It's really noticeable.

I guess the only remaining question is; this or this? Those are pretty much my only choices. I'm unsure whether that website selling the Sharp panel is actually trustworthy or not. The Panasonic would be the safer bet, being based in the UK.

 

I have a question, want to hear it from someone who owns a 4k screen. I was thinking of getting the P750ZM-G but it only comes with a 4k screen. How is the scaling at 1080p on these screens?

 

Can anyone share a link where I can buy an IPS or AHVA screen that I can use to replace my Panasonic 3K eDP 4 screws screen on my P650sg?


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I can only say that scaling in Windows sucks so bad. Not only because of Windows itself but also by 3rd party software that do not support scaling. They say that scaling improves in Windows 10 but I highly doubt it. Those companies would really need to update their software to support HiDPI machines. Sometimes you can also see areas in Windows itself (yes even windows 10) with blurry or low res assets like icons and images. Frustrating really. Hence my desire to replace my 3K screen with a regular eDP IPS matte screen.

Some software that don't support scaling:
Steam
Origin
UPlay
Majority of Adobe apps
Photo-****ing-shop (I mean seriously!!!)
Desktop mode Google Chrome
Majority of websites!
Older games
Most windows utilities like CCleaner, msi afterburner (good thing they have huge mode), SUPERAntiSpyware, etc


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Looks like I'm going for the 17 unless they come out with a 15.6 fhd gsync

 

Correction: Google Chrome desktop DOES support HDPI. I would know, I have it installed!

Other than that I agree with your general point. Windows software still has a long, long ways to go.

In 3D games however, the scaling is good. You really can't notice a huge difference between native 1080p and upscaled 1080p because of the small size of a 15.6". I have to put in a disclaimer that some people totally are able to, and I can't speak on their behalf. But my eyes cannot see much of a difference at all. Perfectly happy running games at non-native resolution, which I could not bare to do before when I had a 1080p native display.

Here's some examples of FHD displays (UK based though, not sure whether that's going to be suitable for you);

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Compatibl...Screen-15-6-LED-IPS-Display-FHD-/360840209739

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/271642365192?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150519202351%26meid%3Dfc48f0d4d9854a2e9d3efd6674aa43f7%26pid%3D100408%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D25%26sd%3D400911376124&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/231278936877?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150519202351%26meid%3D00718300756848239d836a4d40904ffd%26pid%3D100408%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D25%26sd%3D271642365192&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460


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which screen is better between Lg and AUO IPS FHD 1920x1080?

 

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There is slightly more grain if you put your face close enough to view it after application. I'm usually at arms length away from my PC's and screens to avoid it. I can even see the pixels on screens when close enough... my eyes apparently.

I personally don't have issue since I've seen worse matte screen grain. Though you won't be sticking with it, at least you have a backup screen!

 

Has anyone had issues with their touchpad mousekeys?

My machine is barely 2 months old, and the left mousekey has stopped working. Obviously, this is a pretty important key and until today had been working without any glitches.

I'm at lost to what caused this. I use it at home on a table surface, and it stays there when not in use. It gets used maybe 2 or 3 times per week for about 5-10 hours total , if even that.

XioticPC was my reseller, if that helps.

 

Hey guys i was wondering if you could help me. So last night i was on my laptop, when suddenly i smell something burning. At first i thought it was the laptop but once i look down i notice my dog was chewing my charger, and worst of all he bit the wire that connects to the laptop.
The thing is the charger is working, he bit some of the grey wire. I'm checking it now and it doesn't smell bad or anything. Is there any danger in using the adapter like this or should i replace it?

 

Definitely replace it!

 

The thing is i'm kinda on a tight budget, spending 100€ on the charger is kinda hard. You think it might damage the laptop? What does that outer grey wire do?

 

I could notice the extra grain even when sitting back at a distance. I must have got a worse quality cover than you (which is annoying as it was more expensive than yours!). I prefer the naked display rather than the extra graininess it adds. Oh well.

I've bought a sample anti-glare pack from a company in the US called Photodon that specialises in screen protectors. They might be able to provide a less grainy/speckly/sparkly option suitable for HDPI displays. If the sample is good enough quality I'll order the full sized protector and use that with my Sharp display.

In the meantime I've ordered the Panasonic panel for next day delivery from a UK seller. See how I get along with that. Hopefully no dead pixels *knock on wood* - I'll cry if there are any!

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The acceptable failure rate on pixels gets ridiculous on the hi res panels if you think about it.

 

Sup, I got a 180W adaptor with the laptop. Would you guys say that the 220+ adaptor is necessary for high-performance operations? So far rendering some videos and gaming I usually get maximum 70C on both CPU and GPU, with the 970m being usually 10C cooler than the processor.

Also, I have received the laptop with 4gb CL9 1600MHz RAM. I added another 8gb stick with the same specs, so I have 12gb. All seems to be fine and HWInfo says its running Dual-Channel. Had no problems whatsoever but Windows claims I only have 11.89 GB usable. Any clues on that? I tre

Thanks a lot. Xulmar.

 

No the 180W is plenty for the 970M, also the higher rated bricks have a different connector.

 

Could anyone tell me if the below sounds are of concern?

https://soundcloud.com/user581413775/audio-recording-2015-07-03-19-57-39
https://soundcloud.com/user581413775/audio-recording-2015-07-01-00-16-19

I get the sounds sometimes when my laptop freezes due to the DPC_WatchDog_Error BSOD. I have the Sager NP8651 with 16GB RAM

 

What do you mean? I want not a single dead pixel. I don't care how small the pixels are. Once I spot it, it could never be unseen! :O I just wish these eBay sellers gave the option to pay for zero dead pixel guarantee. I wouldn't think twice!

Spoiler

On the topic of eBay sellers, I hate how they advertise a specific panel model only to ship a different model if they happen to not have that panel in stock. It's there in the description but they can get pretty sneaky about it. I sent an email to one company asking whether specifically the Samsung FHD PLS panel was in stock. They replied yes. I bought it (because it was a lot cheaper than the Panasonic panel so I figured I'd get both see which I preferred out of the two). To their credit another rep replied back quickly, informing me how the panel I asked for wasn't actually in stock and they'd be sending a completely different panel - one that was going for two-thirds of the price from other sellers! Then there was this other company which said they'd ship a rubbish quality TN panel as the 'compatible' alternative. I consider that false advertising if they market an IPS panel and send a crappy TN instead. In their terms and services for all of these sellers they clearly state the compatible alternative would be equivalent or superior quality to the one ordered - not the case for that company clearly! Yeesh.

Rant over. Anyway, it seems no UK seller on eBay has the Samsung FHD PLS panel in stock.

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@Cakefish: I think in terms of screen film, there are some that offer higher clarity at the cost of less matte grain (slightly more reflection) which was the reason I got mine. If you can find one of those, that may still be a cheaper alternative. As for those screens not being in stock... do you have a site similar to www.rjtech.com? Over here in the states, rjtech sells individual parts and I sometimes order them that way for replacements.

 

I've ordered a sample pack from Photodon to judge the quality of their range of anti-glare screen protectors, but it's going to take a while to cross the Atlantic.

There is this site but it only has stock for old Clevo models, not parts for the P6 and P7 series.

Edit: Whoa, literally right after I bought the Panasonic screen the seller put the price all the way up to £380.47! Whaaaaat. I don't know what's going on there.

 

Seems quite fishy, that's one hell of a price to make even importing look more feasible. Hopefully the screen is up to your standard. Less battery drain as well!

 

It won't turn on. The green light goes on for a second then goes off again but the blue light on the power button does not. The screen does not respond at all.

I was stupid enough to forget to remove the battery before attempting to change panels. There was a spark and the smell of burning. I've toasted the eDP cable, haven't I?

I suppose there's nothing I can do about it is there?

And somehow I've even managed to lose a damn screen screw! D:

 

Well a 4k panel is 8 million pixels, if you want a chance at a 50% yield (where every panel is perfect) then you can only have one pixel in every 16 million be faulty (a simplification but not too far off). Or in another way a 0.0000000625% failure rate.

 

Hey Meaker, do you happen to know if there is anything I can do in my situation? I've managed to accidentally damage my eDP cable connector by stupidly leaving the battery in whilst performing the screen swap. There was a spark and the smell of burning when I tried to connect the Panasonic panel. Now the Sharp panel won't work either. The blue light doesn't turn on when pressing the power button on either. I've messed up pretty badly.

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Is the connector physically damaged, if not then it's likely it's the surface mount parts near the connector that are damaged. The board likely needs to be replaced sadly.

 

Nah, the connector itself looks intact. Oh man that's the reply I was dreading.

Fffffffffffffffffff I HATE MYSELF!!!

WHY DID I DO THIS?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Oh wow - the amount of regret I'm feeling currently.

That's gonna cost a heck of a lot isn't it? Because of the soldered components. I guess it won't be much more to buy a whole new laptop and use this one as spare parts?

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Which side were you plugging? The connector on the LCD side or motherboard side?

 

LCD

Strangely the connector on the Panasonic panel was wider than my Sharp panel's connector. Both are supposed to be 40 pin. I probably shouldn't have tried to fit it in...

Arghhh

Something is definitely not right. The blue light on the power button fails to light up at all. Only the green power indicator flashes for a few seconds. Otherwise it's lifeless.

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What happens if you remove the cable from the notebook motherboard?

 

Which cable am I looking for? Where does it connect to the motherboard? Just to ensure I'll be removing the correct one!

Thanks for the help by the way.

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The display cable, trace it back from the panel, I believe it's under the top c-face of the machine (under the keyboard but the metal prevents access) so you will have to tear it down quite a way.

 

Ah. I don't really feel comfortable doing that. I wouldn't know where to begin. I've only ever taken the bottom panels off of my laptops, never stripped them down completely.

What's the likelihood that it's dead?

 

So, I'm getting my clevo p670sg tomorrow.

I've been reading this thread untill page 625.
I'm getting worried about all this cpu throttle and under clocking/voltage.

Is this all, like, compulsory, or is this just for real power users?

 

Congrats on your new computer, and for reading so many pages!
I would not worry too much, once you get your computer put it through its paces and see how it does for you.

 

As regards cpu throttling, it can come from the cpu being too hot (practically never seen on this model while gaming with correct thermal paste application), or from cpu current limitation (no fix yet). But even if it is there, you won't notice any downside in games, or real life application.

Undervolting is different, it can in fact help a bit in temperature and power consumption by reducing the amount of power your cpu eats to work at a given clock. So imo it is a free improvement quite easy to do, but you are free to forget it if you want to, it will not burden your laptop experience.

 

If that CPU current throttle is gone... there is overclocking needed to be done on my machine. I'm running without undervolt, but never exceeding 85C in 99% of my applications.

 

Fixing this mess is going to take lots of time and lots of money. I just know it. I can't afford to be without a laptop that long. I have a dissertation to write and jobs to apply for and such like.

I think I'm just going to have to get another system and use this one as spare parts :/

Just takes away all the money I was saving for a new system once Skylake and the Maxwell refresh come out this year. Oh well. I should hopefully have a full time job by the year's end with any luck. Unless the world really hates me. I know I hate myself right now!

I've learnt a lesson. Always unplug the battery. Always unplug the battery. Always unplug the battery.

I suppose I'll be saving a good amount as I won't need any fancy pants SSDs as I already have a sizeable collection. Also, I won't go for the 4K version seeing as it's more expensive and the whole reason I got myself into this mess was because I wanted a matte screen instead. I suppose FHD will have to do. I'm sure I will quickly get used to it again, though I will miss the sharpness of HDPI displays.

I can get next day delivery from Scan on Thursday and it'll be as though this never happened. My bank account will never forget though. I will never forget.

Always unplug the battery.

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Unfortunate, but we have have re-enforced that lesson into our minds and have also learned from your experience, obviously with much less detriment to our pockets. Bummer man but we're human so don't beat yourself up bad. I know once you go 4K it's hard to go back to FHD but at least the FHD matte panels that come with this system are some of the best (ie. the AUO and the LG, AUO seeming to edge out). Good luck.