*** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

I was told this by a vendor, directly from one of their sales reps. Very specific too.

They might have made a mistake on this, but they weren't lying and they haven't lead me wrong in the past.

Apparently they will be available starting in November.

 

A new thread is usually best. Once official info comes out you can start it up

 

Guys, i keep noticing a strange problem with my three week old P650SE. When i unplug the power cable, there is a significant drop in screen contrast even though the brightness stays at the same level. When i plug the laptop back in again, the contrast increases. It is most noticeable when i load up a photograph and observe how the lighting changes when removing the cable. Does anyone know what could be causing this issue?

 

Thank you very much. This worked perfectly!

 

Finally got my P650SG today! Looks like they also gave me the i7 4720 upgrade for free.
I played the Witcher 3 most of tonight and the cpu never went above 75, the gpu stayed around 70ish as well. All in all it's an amazing machine and I love it! Another thing to add is the laptop is a lot thinner than pictures make it seem. It's really good looking!

I put my 250GB Samsung SSD in there for now. I have a 500GB m.2 coming tomorrow. I'm thinking of using the 250GB for OS and apps and the 500GB for games. I also have a 1TB hdd in there for movies/tv shows.

 

Hey so I got rid of my back light bleed issue completely.

I just listened the clips at the top edges of the screen and it was enough that now the panel is all uniformly lit. The bottom bleeding was fixed too, strange but I'm not going to complain.

Maybe the panel in general was just too tight under the bezel?

That's awesome man. Ya its really thin for the cooling it can produce.

If I were you I'd undervolt your 4720hq by -70mV or so. During witcher 3 it never goes above 64-65.

That's even with my GPU overclocked by 135/450.

 

Manufacturers have to make the fit tight to ensure as much structural integrity as possible, IPS panels are quite sensitive to this pressure though.

 

Indeed you are correct:
https://www.aftershockpc.com/welcome/ProductconfigRec/s15-new-1

New P6XXR series. The 15" variant having a 1080p G-Sync option. I'm still curious as to the implementation though (it would seem to me that you would require a motherboard change if it was going from Optimus -> no-Optimus by optioning that panel. Seems too much. Therefore Optimus is working with G-Sync now, or perhaps some sort of Mux system?).

Also showing up on the Oz reseller (who I'd buy through)
http://www.metabox.com.au/store/Prime-Range
Curiously, no G-Sync option there. But the previous 3K/4K options that were present in the P650SE/SG variants. Weird. Might send them an email.

 

Do I need a modded BIOS to undervolt the CPU? I can undervolt the core,cache and gpu voltage, but the Dynamic CPU Voltage offset is missing from the Intel Utility.

 

I have a P650SG and I've freshly installed Win 10 on it. All my devices are working and I'm very happy with the OS overall.

My question comes in when today I am encoding a Blu_ray rip using Handbrake. The CPU temps shoot up to as much as 98C quickly while the CPU fan seems to take a leisure amount of time spinning up. Once it has spun up, temps drop down to the high 80's.

Have I missed a utility in my upgrade to Win 10 that controls the fans a bit better perhaps? Come to think of it, on Win 8.1 I was undervolting the CPU by about 60mv, that probably explains some of the high temps, but not the lackadaisical CPU fan spin up.

Ideas?

 

That's sounds strange. My CPU fan gets really working as soon as my temps are about to get to 70C. The fan curve doesn't seem linear at all as it is quiet under 60ish degrees but get aggressive afterwards. Yours should be doing the same.

Install the Hot key program aka the control center program. Sagers website has it for windows 10. You can change fan profiles there I believe.

 

Have you installed the Hotkey utility? It let you control the fans manually and do custom profiles regarding their spinning.

 

I have control center v5.0000.0.8 installed. I'll have to check and see if I am using an older version or something. Regarding the CPU fan spin up duration, I'm talking 10-15 seconds, nothing too extreme. But I was surprised not to hear it spin up to max almost immediately.

 

Actually, my version is slightly newer than the Control Center listed on Sager's website, odd.

If I take a look in the control center at the fan speed settings and change it to maximum it sounds like the only thing it does it turn on the GPU fan in addition to the already running CPU fan. That doesn't help the CPU. If I look at custom, it appears that the farthest I can turn up the fan speed slider is to 80%.

 

Flashing the latest BIOS and EC might help since the EC is what truly controls fan speed.

 

As far as I know, on the Automatic fan profile (i.e. any of the Control Center ones) the maximum fan speed is 80%. If you want to take it to 100%, just press alt+1.

 

On auto profile, it can use 100%, but only when cpu breaks 95C or something like that.

You can try updating first hotkey software to latest available version, then if it is still like this updating EC.

 

Usually people don't see the highest temps like that as the chip is throttling.

 

Clevo Hotkey Center. You need to disable the auto-brightness configuration to remedy this.

I'm also very interested in hearing how they did this with optimus... keep us updated? Been too busy lately to even check as often. I have to get all my updates via alerts on here when I do my weekly check in.

 

No more Optimus! No more LVDS. The iGPU and dGPU now actually have a mux switch to the internal display, so you can run on either iGPU or dGPU.
Only the external ports are all directly connected to the dGPU.

 

Hi.

I'm a happy owner of the P650 since December.

I've just bought a 4k TV and today I tried connecting the lap via HDM 2.0 to the TV expecting to get 60 fps with 4k res.

Sadly the image is running at 30hz.

I wonder if the lap's HDMI is 2.0 or if it's capped to 30hz. I'm asking myself this because those people who have the 4k screen are running at crappy 30hz??

Thanks.


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I think you have to use the mini display port to achieve this.

 

So we have to replace the board if we want this upgrade? Dang... oh well. I'll have to live without it until my machine dies.

 

You could try Throttlestop!

 

I think the HDMI port is 1.4b or something like that, 4K is restricted to 30 Hz in that. At least miniDP to DP should work and maybe miniDP to HDMI too, if you find a straight cable with hdmi 2.0.

 

It's based off the intel so a 1.4b for HDMI.

 

Has anyone tried this?

Does that kind of cable exist? Haha

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I believe there are converter cables out there. But it would also matter what kind of HDMI is on your monitor as well, wouldn't it? I would think the monitor would need to be HDMI 2.0 as well.

 

Hmm okay, thanks for the response. Is the Hotkey program the same as the Clevo Control Center? I had a look for this setting but the only option i've found is a dial to adjust the brightness level. There doesn't appear to be a method of turning off any automatic brightness.

 

This friday was horrible, i did my traditional PC maintenance, repaste with IC7...and total cleaning of the heatsink + Fans. So i unplugged my GPU and cpu fans and cleaned them....after a lot of alcohol (for cleaning ...) and vacuuming..i plug everything back...i try a game to see if everything is fine...my cpu fans works flawlessly and the temps of the 4710hq is 10-15°C (celsius) lower than usual (lot of dust in the heatsink)...bu my gpu fans : one stopped turning..the other go crazy and suddenly decreases under load...than the deadly bios BIP BIP BIP....

I unplugged the CMOS battery...nothing
I flashed the stock clevo/ec bios...nothing.
I try to sleep and prepare for a long journey without a gaming laptop (especially with MGS V and the witcher 3 that i didn't finish at all)....
next morning...it works better than when the laptop was first shipped to me...

So i re-flash the latest XMG bios/ec, everything is perfect as of now.

Please pay attention when unplugging the gpu fans..I think it can corrupt the ec firmware or something like that . During the night when i unplugged/plugged the cmos a reset might have occured (as the time on my laptop was incorrect) after the laptop was unused for a while...otherwise can't find the logic in that problem ^^.

 

How would one go about doing such thing?

Also, question to all owners - do you use custom profiles for your laptops or the preloaded ones? I think it's pretty loud, I basically can't game without headphones as the fans are spinning too much but am scared to change the settings on my own so if you could show me your settings, I would appreciate it. That's why I'm interested in the undervolting as well.

 

Guys, my worst fear has come! I just noticed one of my rubber feet is missing this morning as I one of the other feet has fallen off so i quickly put it back in but noticed one was still missing. so I'd reallly like to know where I can get a replacement.

 

I've heard of drowning or being buried alive, but this is your worst fear? Just show that to the place you bought the laptop from, I'm sure they'll send you a rubber foot pronto.

 

lol, this comes next, one of my pet peeves I hate when rubber feet go missing! I actually already lost one of the rubber feet on my power supply the 2nd week I had the laptop. I just noticed the missing feet under the laptop this mornig though.

 

Anyone use linux?
I can't make Bumblebee turn off the dGPU when I suspend the machine on Linux. This means it warms up and uses about 12% battery / hour while sleeping.
Any ideas? It works in Windows and while the machine is running on Linux.
Tried both 352, 355 driver

 

I'm on Arch Linux right now with the clevo p650se . My gtx 970m is disabled with bumblebee. All I had to do was to follow the arch wiki for bumblebee. My problem though is that my HDD is at 36-37 C on windows , but 39 - 40 C on linux .

BTW , can anybody tell me if this laptop is capable of vga passthrough ? Does the motherboard support virtualization ? I know the cpu does , but the motherboard is really shady and I can't find its specs anywhere

 

The motherboard is a HM87, from Intel I believe. https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/mobile-chipset-hm87.html here are the specs.

 

Ah , yes , indeed it is the HM87 .. this also confirms that it has VT-d support , so vga passthrough is possible . Now my last concern is this : how is the optimus implemented on the clevo p650se ... is it with a true hardware multiplexer or a mux-less software-switched design ? Thanks !

 

It's physically fixed with all outputs routed through the IGP.

 

Ouch ... so I dont have access to the nvidia output even through HDMI ? Does this mean no vga passthrough ? That would suck , considering the hardware is capable of it .

 

ALL outputs are physically routed through the IGP. I don't think optimus works too well with visualization but it's not a topic I have really read into.

 

Ah I see . Thank you a lot for the fast reply !

P.S : What is this "visualization" you're talking about ? My main concern was about nvidia optimus and vga passthrough for virtualized OS's

 

How does sounds card work with 150 ohm headphones. Do i need any amp, if yes i thought of o2 amp+odac.

Yes, all outputs being routed through IGP sucks a bit.

 

Just wondering did you get this score using the stock 180W psu?

 

anybody know the Gamut of the Stock IPS panel for 8651? And if Spyder calibration can work on it?

 

I did, after that one with a bit more tweaking I was able to get 12203 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10145433
I tried to use my old dell 240W but it seems to be on its last leg, after trying the same settings the psu straight up refused to give my laptop power though it would work with my old laptop


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Hey guys! Just got the Sager NP8651 and I really love it so far! But it's a little bigger than I expected it to be, and it won't fit in my old laptop case. As a college student, I need to carry this to my classes, so are there any recommended cases or backpacks for me to get?

 

PC 350 SE is listed as 108dB SPL. I believe Sennheiser lists sensitivity for all their headphones in dB/V. So PC 350 SE would definitely benefit from an amp to reach loud enough volume. However you don't need to spend a bunch of money for an O2. A Fulla Schiit should do just fine.

 

Personally I bought this backpack for my laptop. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dicota-Spin...ie=UTF8&qid=1441779835&sr=8-1&keywords=D30575

It fits the laptop perfectly, and also has many compartiments to put your phone, laptop PSU, money, tablet and documents. Plus it's water proof. I can provide pictures on how the laptop fits if you want.

 

I read that Fiio e10k has some hissing noise and it not that good. The amp is not an emergency but i just like good audio. I have no problems with volume using pc350 se and my Note 4. I am just worried about sound quality. I guess these speakers are not that good to concern that much. Also i own ie80 and they are fine for gaming and music so far but i wont use them while using the laptop.

What about creative products ?