*** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

Can't find my adapter or USB sticks. Guess I'll have to wait till tomorrow.

 

If you have a USB memory card reader that may work by booting from USB.

 

I guess this was too much TIM.

Intel XTU stress test still kills the CPU in terms of temps but they seem a bit better.

There is one thing that I might have done wrong though. I believe the heatsink does not have very high pressure on the CPU and when i applied it i did push it and hold it will i screwed it. Tomorrow I will repase it and nod put pressure on it just screw the heatsink. I believe i can have 1 or 2 C better temps.

 

that is way to much paste. use a lot less during your next application

 

Yes i did use a lot less. When i saw it it was like. I am not pasting an elephant hahaha.

Temps are getting better now and lower. I guess it needs few hours of curing time.

 

Curing time depends on the paste used, modern ones don't really do it. However I'm glad everything is coming together on the machine for you now.

 

Shin Etsu is the only thermal paste that I could recommend.

 

Yeah I'm about to do the same, clean install W7 Pro and exorcise all Realtek drivers and Creative software from my laptop. Also bought an AKG K712 and it sounds like an absolute dog from the laptop's headphone out. Even at max volume it is barely loud enough and bass and dynamics are nonexistent. Good thing I have a Fulla Schiit.

 

Haha, that's a very unfortunate name for an audio component, hard to believe in the integrity of an item with that kind of name!

 

Yeah they don't take themselves too seriously. If you look on their site they also make a Schiit Stack and Wyrd (Weird) Schiit among others. But their products are well-known in audio and high quality.

 

the temps are lower but core 2 is still to high. it goes up to 91C. Its ok I will leave it few days like this and maybe repaste it. GPU temps are a lot better though.

Man i hate realtek an creative software. When i will do a fresh install I wont install any sound drivers hahaha. I will do it next week because this week is full of graduate homeworks an papers . Graduate school requires 100 pages per week to be read :/
I will let you know how things will go.

There is one thing I would like to mod and that his how to increase heatsink pressure to the CPU or GPU.

 

Anyone manage to download the Win 10 drivers? The Clevo servers are useless.

 

I've got a wierd temperature "issue", my cpu idles at 52 C, but when stress testing in XTU it only goes up to 75 C. Could this be a thermal paste problem or are my fans not ramping up high enough when idling? So, thermal paste or fan profile/EC or BIOS?

 

Yes i know the internal sound card has so much noise and it is not good at all excluding software ahahaha. At home I have Asus Crosshair V Formula Z and it is has a great sound card. I might also buy Fulla Schiit soon for my Sennheiser PC 350 SE.

I might flash the fan profiler when i format my PC but still core 2 temp goes at high 80's. I have to wait few days and see what happens with the temps. I wish i could fix this temp Issue with CPU. GPU is great so far though. As for my idle temps they are around 40-55C

 

What's recommended for driver installation? Just use Windows default drivers, or install from driver USB provided with laptop? Or download from xmg site? I have a XMG P505, i7-5700hq.

 

What's so wrong with the realtek drivers? Or the creative ones? There is nothing specifically terrible about them. I've had 0 issues with either. The latest of both run flawlessly. They do what they are intended too. Of course they won't make the sound quality better but unfortunately that's the lack of a proper DAC or opamps. Using the realtek built in amp/DAC of course will be lower quality sound plus the EMI of it being crammed into a laptop makes it worse. But for basic functionality that's portable it works just fine.

Honestly I can't use the speakers without the EQ dB boost or sbx bass increase that the creative panel offers. The speakers alone are so anaemic and quiet. They sound so much fuller with the enhancements.

 

You answered it yourself:

So that makes them unnecessary bloat.

 

Haha, right, so it was on purpose then - fair enough!

 

Lol windows installs basic realtek drivers automatically anyway so I still don't see how just installing the latest version does that the windows ones don't. In terms of negative effects of course. Wouldn't you want the latest drivers for your sound card? Especially with Windows 10. The basic ones were causing for bsods for a lot of us until we upgraded to the latest realteks. I think a lot of people just don't like the realtek sound manager program and assume its automatically bloat. But you can just have it not startup with Windows but still get benefit of driver improvements for bugs.

And the sbx mb3 may be unnecessary for some but some may want it to help with tune the sound to their liking. That doesn't make it bloat necessarily.

Also when I said it doesn't Improve sound quality I meant in terms of SNR, not someone's personal EQ taste or if they want sbx surround. That's subjective.

Being open minded is a great thing.

 

I use Windows 7. The generic HD audio driver is fine, I don't care for the Realtek driver and Creative software. Most of the time I'm using headphones plugged into a USB DAC amp anyway, not the laptop audio. If this were an actual sound card I would install the latest driver from the manufacturer but with onboard it doesn't matter.

On my Y500 it's actually mandatory to use the generic driver because Realtek drivers cause games to freeze for a few seconds when I use voice chat.

 

I dont think you really need them the audio drivers hahaha. Windows drivers are just fine so are linux drivers

 

Yeah you don't, unless you're still on Windows XP

 

Well like I said, the built in speakers are extremely anaemic sounding and I can't enjoy them without tweaking certain sbx settings. Henceforth I need the latest realtek drivers for that to even work. If it wasn't for that, I probably wouldn't have need for it either.

 

Prema, you are a champion!!! <3

After suffering high CPU temps (up to 98c on some cores) when playing CPU intensive games, I tried repasting and undervolting my 4720HQ (with limited successes - managed to drag the max temps down to 90c).

After some monitoring I noticed the issue was a lethargic fan spin-up speed, it was taking ages to respond to the high CPU temps and letting the CPU get far to hot before reaching 'max fan speed' which was still not that fast TBH.

After flashing your Prema BIOS/EC combo with the cool, vice silent option, and disabling hyperthreading my temps are maxing out at 72c! The fan is a lot more aggressive now and keeps the average high temps in the mid 60s! Thanks for the fantastic custom BIOS/EC! If it's still stable in a month I'll be sure to make a donation

 

I'm pretty sure my battery is defective. After looking at BatteryBar and BatteryInfoView I can see that the total capacity of the battery has been dropping like crazy from 98% to 96% in about 3-4days. So i went to Eurocom to file a warranty issue and when I was on their support form I noticed in the dropdown box for models that they have added a Eurocom M5 Pro R2! Kind of a bummer that as soon as I get this one a new one is coming out :/
I guess that's just the way the tech world works though

 

Well it has been no secret the new models are about to hit. It does take a bit for batteries to bed in, the reading you are looking at is a best guess.

 

Everything is getting better now after fresh install anthough i would like to have a Samsung 950 PRO just to say yes I have it .

Also what do you think is it worth installing Gentoo along windows 10 with UEFI or just install Fedora. I used Gentoo for years and i just love it.

 

Speaking of the 950 Pro, does the bios have NVMe support, has Prema added it?


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As far as i know it doesn't, I wont buy it 950 Pro because i don't need those transfer speeds and i would spend those money on something else now, 350$ is a lot. I might buy it if i can sell my Evo though.

I need a good GPU and CPU for parallel computing and gaming and that's it pretty much, and OK a nice laptop to show off and so far it is working well for DJing.

I might give it a try installing Gentoo during midterm break. It will take me too much time and i haven't used Gentoo in 3 years now. I just don't know if its worth going through all that.

 

I can't get the fingerprint scanner to work. It really struggles to recognise my fingerprint. Trying to register my fingers and am being met with 'sorry something went wrong' countless times over and it's asking me to 'try a longer stroke' again and again. Windows 8.1 driver doesn't work at all, Windows can't even recognise the reader. Windows 10 driver has these issues. Not sure what to do.

EDIT: well it works with my brother's fingers and my mum's. Not mine :/

 

Wash your hands and try again ;-)

 

I didn't need the driver when I did it...

 

Ya with Windows 10 I didn't need the driver either. Windows installed the eigis driver for me and its worked flawlessly so far. I found that my fingerprints weren't recognized if they were dirty, wet or overly oily. But that's why I added every finger on both hands as backups.

 

That's not a good idea. They don't even have to play the odds, someone can cut off or remove the skin from any of your fingers and unlock your laptop with 100% success rate.

 

Which finger should I use today...?

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LOL, I'm not sure if serious or not? I'm not carrying around Pentagon defense weapon schematics on here. But hey if someone wants to cut off my finger or skin to access my steam account... They have their priorities a little wack.

Hahahahaha. Whatever is convenient. A lot of times in eating and I use my pinky since its clean. Ya I'm lazy.

 

All of them. Fisting.

 

I cant even use windows hello not to mention finger print reader lol.

 

This has been going on for several days since I got the laptop. I've tried washing my hands. I've tried at different times of the day.

Previous P651SG's sometimes had issues with my fingers but never this bad.

I did manage to eventually register a finger, but had to hold it at an angle. And it's still not working 50% of the time.

I'll have to wait and see if improves over the next few weeks.

 

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/drivers(257)ec

 

To be honest, it's been somewhat known that the new Clevo P650RE/RG (aka Eurocom M5 Pro 2) is coming out around November.

That being said, aside from the Skylake CPU, the only real bonus to the revised models is the optional inclusion of G-SYNC. The P650 series won't have Thunderbolt 3 apparently.

 

And Soundblaster MB5. I'm hoping that I can install that on my laptop once the drivers are available. Seeing as the hardware is identical there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to.

Thanks Ramzay!

 

Uh dude, this is Creative you're talking here, one of the crappiest companies out there with a long history of anticompetitive practices and BS. They patent trolled actually innovative companies like Aureal to bankruptcy and then snatched them up, eliminating all competition and monopolizing the PC gaming audio market. They stifled innovation in PC game audio by making EAX as proprietary and exclusive as possible, if you wanted it you had to play their game, heck they even made the alternative OpenAL proprietary. They made ALchemy (a simple DS3D to OpenAL software wrapper) an exclusive feature of the new X-Fi sound cards, leaving owners of their previous high-end sound cards like the Audigy series high and dry unless they paid for "legacy support". When a modder named daniel_k backported ALchemy to the older sound cards (along with fixing bugs and Vista compatibility issues in Creative's notoriously crappy drivers), they threatened to sue him. That was the last straw for me as a former Audigy 2 owner, and I never bought another Creative sound card again.

So unless you go out and buy the MB5 software once it is released to end-users (assuming it's not OEM-only), or Clevo somehow works out the licensing with Creative to upgrade all their current X-Fi MB3 notebooks to MB5 (a costly proposition I'm sure), you're not getting a free upgrade. I don't seem to recall MB users getting a free upgrade to MB2 or MB2 getting a free upgrade to MB3. Besides, the difference between all these software packages like X-Fi MB and Cinema is negligible at best, and I'm sure it'll be the same with MB5 (that whole skipping a number thing is pure marketing BS--look at Windows 10, shoulda been called Windows NEIN!).

/rant

 

Looking at the Sager NP8657-S (Clevo P650RE3) on XoticPC it has Skylake, DDR4, and G-Sync Option. WIth the G-Sync IPS (1080p) it's about $120 more than the NP8651-S w/ IPS (1080p) that I ordered. I wish I could have waited but it looks like mid-october would be the earliest you could get one with G-Sync from them.

 

Skylake doesn't really offer many gaming benefits from what's currently known, and neither does DDR4 RAM (though it's a crap-ton more expensive). G-SYNC, however, is a very nice bonus, and I'd pay $120 more for that alone.

 

DDR4 is a bit more power efficient and allows higher capacities, the K series CPUs will be quite interesting I think.

 

The only thing i see in new laptops is lower temps and more battery life. And for me that i will work my thesis in parallel computing those gpus with 8gigs of ram would have helped a bit. G sync is great for gaming thought.

 

Hahaha don't fall into that marketing crap, you want a good audio system ? Make sure that the laptop has some high quality audio speakers, focus on the hardware not the software...
Bose, Klipsch, Dynaudio.

Regarding software : THX for me maybe can help a high-end speaker reach its full potential, but MB3/MB5...this is stupid to focus on that.

 

That being said, it is fun to see in the same post "marketing crap" not followed by "Bose"...

Let me be clear, Bose products are not crap, but they are the marketing champions around. When they did their first compact speaker it was a great move, but ever since all they did is take care of their brand and market their aesthetics rather than focusing on quality materials and innovation.

 

Yeah, Bose is better than Beats but not by much. Pretty much the only thing they do well is ANC headphones because they pioneered the technology.