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Sorry mate, that looks pretty rough... It happened to my Sager Np6110, so that's why I completely stop using IC Diamond.

MX-4 never leaves any streaks. It hardens overtime but it wipes clean with a microfiber/glasses cleaning cloth. I dispose of all cloths after doing one thermal re-paste.

After the surface was all roughed up, I noticed my CPU and GPU not performing at peak, the temps were significantly higher also.

 

Hi Guys,

What is the difference between the P650 and P651 chassis? Is it really just cosmetics?

(to be specific, P651RE vs P650SA)

 

The numbers is basically cosmetics difference, I am not sure which (I think the P651xx are for Europeans, the P650xx are for everywhere else).

But for the two letters after the numbers though, there's a huge difference. The first letter stands for the CPU generation, R = Skylake, S = Haswell. The second letter stands for the GPU, A = GTX 965M, E = GTX 970M, G = GTX 980M.

So in your case,
P651RE = European version? Skylake CPU with GTX 970M
P650SA = Everywhere else version? Haswell CPU with GTX 965M

 

i use Gelid Extreme and it is very good so far. I might need to reapply a thinner layer someday and see how it performs.

 

Thank you very much.

I have come to a choice between the Defiance II and the XMG P506. I am trying to identify what is the differences between these:

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceII-15/
http://mysn.co.uk/shop/xmg-p506-gaminglaptop.html

I am spec'ing both with:
GTX 970
1080p screen
500gb Samsung Evo SSD (removed HDD)
i7 6700 HQ
GIGABIT LAN Killer Network card
No Operating System

The XMG is coming out at £1325.01 and the Defiance as £1115.01 (this is with also the addition of adding the £9 for the thermal compound paste). A difference of £210.

I know the XMG has G-Sync while this one doesn't, but should it be creating such a difference on just that alone? This makes me think I am missing something (e.g. build quality / panel types etc).

As PCSpecialist isn't doing G-Sync on this model, I can even use that £210 to upgrade it to a 4K screen which isn't offered on the P506 or even a GTX 980.

The P506 has a lot of rave reviews so that makes me instinctively want to go for that - so I am hoping someone call tell me that there is something else it has which justifies the £210 difference.

Similarly I noticed the Optimus VII (the equivilant of the XMG A506) seems to come out around £200 cheaper too for the same specs.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks

 

@iMbaQ

To deal with the A506 vs Optimus VII first, I replied to ngotiendat here http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...friday-and-cyber-monday.784406/#post-10144731 about this because he asked the same question. The main differences are that the PCS warranty is only 1 year parts and 1 month shipping (so you need to upgrade this to their maximum warranty option to be comparable to our default warranty option), their shipping times are 12 days so you would also need to upgrade this to match us and finally we suspect that they are using the 45% NTSC panel which is of course far inferior to the 72% panel that we use - it's also around £80 cheaper than the panel we use. So there are both major service, support and hardware differences!

With regards to the differences between the XMG P506 and Defiance II 15:

- upgrade the warranty to their "3 year Gold Warranty" which is actually a 2 year warranty and also upgrade their build time which is 12 days as default

- as you mentioned the XMG P506 has G-Sync but the PCS model does not. This accounts for the remaining £90 odd price difference.

- the P506 has a sandblast aluminium finish whereas the PCS model has a cheaper and (in my opinion) inferior brushed aluminium finish

As with the A506, the price difference may seem big at first glance but if you compare exactly like for like the prices are comparable. I would also mention that the 4K panel option in the Defiance is the Samsung Pentile RGBW version. We don't offer this because we do not find the colour reproduction or image quality of the Samsung panel acceptable. We offered the superior Sharp 4K panel in the P505 but this isn't G-Sync compatible and so we decided not to offer 4K in the P506. I think I touched on this in the pm to you yesterday so I won't go into the differences between the panels here unless anyone else is curious!

P.S. the P651 and P650 are aesthetically different but it's not region specific - it is down to each Clevo customer to decide which chassis version they want;-)

 

I have a P651SG-A.
It's a i7-5700HQ / 980M.

I picked the 5700HQ over the skylake chip because it has a stronger/higher clock core speed. It benches higher.
Although I don't know how much more DDR4 would make a difference on this laptop if it had a 6700HQ.

 

Hi guys wondering about buying from mysn.co.uk the p506/p706 just wondered has anyone had good or bad warranty experiences with them. Thanks very much

 

Have you checked the reseller feedback section?

 

@SomethingIsReturning I am biased of course, but as Meaker said check the Reseller Feedback section - you won't find anything negative there

Also you can check our Trusted Shops feedback https://www.trustedshops.co.uk/buyerrating/info_XBB9DDA2664EE2C05607B5B373F862A1C.html which is 4.91 / 5.0 overall and 4.98 / 5 for Customer Service which includes post sales support and warranty.

 

Thanks guys there's just not many after sales reviews in reseller feedback thanks for the help though

 

Thanks a lot for your comprehensive reply! I had a feeling they may be using an inferior panel - and the screen is very important to me .

 

hey guys happy Thanksgiving

 

Hello mein freunden.

I have a perplexing issue, I'm not sure whether there is a good solution or not presently. I typically use my 8652 as a desktop. I have it sitting below my monitors with two monitors connected.

I recently upgraded one of them for gaming to a BenQ 75hz monitor (perhaps in the future I'll get serious and go 144, but I got a pretty solid deal on this one). Is it possible to have 2 different refresh rates active on the different displays? What complicates this in my mind is that the majority of the time, the monitors are being run by the iGPU & not the 980. I don't care if they are at 60hz when the iGPU is running them, only when I load a game and the 980 kicks in I'd like the BenQ to be run at 75hz.

What may complicate issues is that I'll be adding another monitor before tax season starts up (can't have too many =]).

Any ideas on how to achieve this, specific to our machines and the dual GPU setup? I've seen mixed results around the webs. Thanks!

 

You can have different displays at different refresh rates with no issue.

 

Forgive my ignorance, where do I enable these settings?

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I know there are options for that in the Intel HD graphics control panel. Also I could find some settings in Control Panel > Appearance and Personalization > Display > Screen resolution > advance settings.

 

I recently became the owner of this fantastic beast. After installing windows 10, fiddling with it for 4 days non stop, i give up. No matter what, i cannot make the intel 7265 card work correctly. I have the dreaded revision 12, so Bluetooth simply does not work, and neither does the 5Ghz band. Anyone can recommend me a card i can replace it with? I heard revision 33 worked perfectly, however no vendors on eBay know which one they have, so i'd prefer to get something you all recommend instead.

Of course, i tried every single driver available for both the Bluetooth and the wireless card. Another odd quirk i noticed, is that depending on the driver i use, the Bluetooth adapter will stop registering as a Bluetooth device, and appear as a broken device with no id

 

I would also recommend going through the control panel to manage your settings. Short cut to them by right clicking on blank desktop and click on it in the list that comes up.

 

Thanks guys, I was snooping around in the advanced display settings yesterday, must have missed them.

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Now that is weird, I have the same card and everything installed perfectly fine when windows 10 was connected to the internet.
The bluetooth and network drivers installed via windows update just fine.
its strange that your card isn't working properly... perhaps its dead? Sorry to hear.

 

Not a problem, enjoy

 

Perhaps a dumb message coming up, but i was hoping to share an interesting viewpoint about something with this laptop. Before the P650SE i briefly owned a variant of the MSI GS60 for about a week, which had an awesome RGB multicoloured keyboard. The P650SE is undoubtedly the better laptop in most aspects, the main reason being the 970M vs 965M, however i do miss having such a brilliant keyboard. I'm not a massive fan of the standard white backlighting on the P650SE, it looks a bit boring and understated for such a powerful gaming laptop. Most will probably agree that it does feel rather 'cheapish', there's definitely a bit of wobble on each key and it seems to attract greasy fingerprints ridiculously easy.

Considering the keyboard is so easy to remove with only two screws holding it in place, it's a shame there isn't an RGB keyboard either from another Clevo laptop or produced by a third party which could be interchanged. Unfortunately i don't imagine there'd be anything like it in existence with the correct sizing, and i'm sure issues would arise on the software side unless the Clevo software used on other RGB notebooks magically worked. Like i said, bit of a nonsense post but i thought it would still be worth sharing this rather optimistic thought.

 

There was a breif time where the MSI machines and sager/Clevo machines could share keyboards but we are way past that point now

 

Hey guys, I'm having trouble with my np8652.
my 980m is only using about 70% when playing gta v when msaa is off, thus resulting in low fps.
Other games is also under performing, not reaching 100% gpu usage. yes vsync is off and my driver is 358.91

 

I have recently noticed a hissing noise from my laptop during graphic intensive tasks, such as gaming and benchmarking. The noise is present as soon as I enter a game menu (after the game has completely loaded) and during 3DMark benchmarks (the actual test, not the loading sequence in-between the tests). The sound is high enough to be clearly noticeable during load but is drenched by full fan speed.

I have not been able to pinpoint the exact location as the sound is almost as loud across the entire left side of the laptop. I flipped the laptop over during benchmarking to hear the noise more clearly and I believe it is at its loudest by the power adapter jack.

The sound is present (but has different character) whether or not the power supply is plugged in. I have attached a zip containing two audio files where you can clearly hear the sound. I think the volume of the recordings should be low enough to not cause any shock .

Anyone have any ideas what the source of this issue is and how I should proceed?
Thanks!

Edit: Forgot to add that I also checked for any relation between the sound and fan speed, as well as brightness (since I read about that in another thread) and found none. The sound is present and unaffected by changes to their level.

 

I suggest you look up coil whine as that is very likely the issue. It's not indicative of a hardware defect.

 

I do not have much knowledge of coil whine but I had it on a GPU once (at least that was what I thought it was at the time) and that noise varied in level depending on the utilization/stress of the component, the noise I am experiencing now is almost entirely constant and is not affected by utilization. It is also on the left side of the laptop (seen while using it) which should be the CPU side if I am not mistaken, so it is most likely not the GPU then?

During stress tests of the CPU the noise is not present, even with 100% utilization, and there appears to be no connection to the wattage usage of the laptop either. So far the noise only exists when I run games or benchmarks of the GPU.

Also, if it was coil whine should the noise not have been there ever since I bought the laptop? I have had the laptop since February and this just started a few weeks ago.

 

well, i decided to take the plunge and go with the Intel 8260 instead. i hope i'm not making a mistake. made sure it was the right interface, M.2 2230, so all that's left is to wait...

link for those interested.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/391310653544?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

 

GTA V is a bit more demanding than most games, but what are you getting for frame rates on it? Have you tried doing a clean install of drivers, or any other steps so far?

 

Yes, I already tried a clean install of drivers, several of them actually but same thing.
GTA V Settings are set in high, with msaa x2 on i get about 50-60fps with 99% gpu usage but when i turn msaa off i get 50-65fps with the gpu only using 70%. Sometimes it dip down into the 40s when gpu usage go as low as 50%. Yes vsync is off.
Dota 2 is also a problem, It's not a very demanding game but fps go as low at the 20's when in team fights. My 650ti even out performs the 980m in this game.

 

Did you flash prema's vbios?

 

nope I did not flash prema mod

Also when I play dota2 the gpu clock is only 540mhz ang gpu usage is about 30-50%

 

anyone else got the crazy deals from Amazon last Friday? SSDs were cheap. Got a 500gb 850 EVO m.2 for only $140





"We humans are capable of greatness."

 

It's still on, 148$ right now

 

I'm still having issues, the 75hz option doesn't even show. I'm connected via the minidisplay with a miniD to DVI connector.

I've checked in both places, see image, 60hz is my highest option. Any Ideas? I'll be snooping around the webs to try and tackle this one.

 

The 75Hz should only show for the laptop display and not the externals. Each display has its own settings and whether or not they're G-Sync ready is a whole different issue.

Edit: I also do not know if converting between DP to DVI/HDMI will carry over the refresh rate as DP is usually required for faster refresh and not the more common plugin.


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Displays need to be connected to the dedicated card to be able to overclock.

 

Guys, I'm sorry for the wild goose chase. I think it's a hardware limitation with the monitor. I think it only does 75Hz at 720p or some lower resolutions. It's a BenQ RL2455HM. I've been searching into 'overclocking' it, but I think I'll just have to settle for the 1ms response time with 60hz =]

Sorry for the troubles and thank you for your replies.

 

Recently became an owner of a XMG P505(P651SA) with Intel 5700HQ and Nvidia GTX965. I'm generally satisfied with the performance,however i'm experiencing something out of the ordinary with the display. I've owned many desktops monitors and laptops through the years and never experienced something similar. The effect i am witnessing is like a faint grid pattern around every square of 4 pixels
this seems to affect some particular color shades of blue and orange or at least they are the most obvious. I've asked other people to take a look and they noticed it too, they are visible to the naked eye at a normal distance of 30cm. Up to this point i have no idea whats causing this, but its becoming irritating. My panel is the FHD 1080p AU Optronics B156HAN01.2.

 

Are you plugged in? High performance mode? (Including in the hotkey software)

 

Yes I'm plugged in. I'm in high performance mode and power management is on maximum performance.
I have no trouble playing Shadow of mordor and tomb raider, gpu is using it's full potential.
Just that gta v and dota2 seems to throttle in gpu usage. Even if I set the settings to low, fps is not being boosted much and gpu usage just lower itself.

 

What panel do you have? It could just be down to the sub-pixel layout.

Have you monitored your CPU clocks?

 

My panel is the AU Optronics B156HAN01.2. Ive tried different color profiles no difference, messed around with drivers for intel and nvidia with no result.
I had a look around on the web and this panel is considered to be one of the good ones and on other sites like notebookcheck where they usually
state any known problems in reviews there's nothing about this panel, so it leads me to believe that its just my panel, unless someone else with the same spec
notebook has the same issue.Its becoming more irritating everyday i can't not think about it when my 8 year old XPS M1710 has a better looking display ;p

 

Looks like your pannel.. RMA your machiine..

 

Guys, can our p650sx use the full speed of pcie ssd such as Samsung m2 950 pro? I don't remember if we have x2 or x3 lanes...

 

So it's been almost a year since I've been using my P650SG and it's served me wonderfully. Since I've gotten it, I've installed the latest premamod BIOS and windows 10

However, the CPU has started getting very hot which thus leads to thermal throttling - something which never happened when I first got the notebook. Using XTU and its benchmark tool, with a -50mV undervolt and setting the fans to MAX in hotkey, the CPU temp goes up to 99C and then the thermal throttling graph shoots up. Previously the temp hardly touched 90 and there was no throttling to speak of (other than current limit throttling which is inherent to these HQ chips).

So I'm wondering how I should get things back on track. I had them use IC Diamond at the time of purchase, but would re-pasting be the next course of action? I've already cleaned out the fan pretty well.

The GPU temps are exactly as they were when I first got the notebook - 80C max.

 

hey guys, really need some help here on the fingerprint scanner. after the first major win 10 update the fingerprint scanner just doesn't seem to work. windows hello only gives me 2 tries on the fingerprint scanner and locks me on the scanner afterwards. it does seem to me more of a windows hello issue rather a driver issue, but I have no idea to how to solve it. did anyone else have this issue before?

 

Sorry guys, quick question how can you tell what panel screen you have?

 

Hey folks. I'm a VR developer thinking of getting a P650RG or P651RG, attracted by the fact that it seems to be the most lightweight laptop with a GTX 980M where you can turn off optimus.

I live in the UK. Is this http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/laptop-computers/clevo-laptops/40/ the only place I can buy it? It weirds me out that it is listed as "650RA" and that when I pick it, it shows me "defiance II"