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My laptop screen was developing the same line a year ago when I got it. It is because the screen frame is slightly warped at the center, making the matte coating of the screen going against the metal angle between keyboard and palm rest.

Since it is truly friction when laptop is closed that does that, so it is normal use, although I do not think it should occur on every model (screen lid warp vs angle height vs time the laptop spend closed, pressed in a backpack).

As soon as I realized this was happening I looked for a piece of material to put on the keyboard to protect the screen when closed. A micro fiber towel (3$ at sport shop) cut to fit the laptop does the job pretty well


No issue since, but two dents on each side of the screen bezel, where this metallic angle bite.

 

That's actually a pretty good idea on the microfiber cloth. Simple fix, $3, not bad at all.

 

Hi can you help me to recover my BIOS in Sager np8651. Please look at my post in 900 page. Thanks

 

I just use my cloth mousepad (Razer kabuto) to protect my screen while travelling.



We humans are capable of greatness.

 

I believe that's one thing Razer intended with it.

 

Yes, I took the idea from that kind of things. It's just that the commercial solutions of it are so expensive (thanks apple fanwave)

 

If you got the computer from us, you want actually want to reach out to our tech support. Their contact info is on the support page on our site. They should be able to help you get the files you need to do that, and help with getting it done.

 

Thanks, ill contact the support team

 

Is anyone aware of BIOS recovery for clevo p650SE? is it fn+B or fn+3

 

I have this problem as well on my laptop... does the microfiber towel scratches the display? Not sure if the ones made for cars are okay for laptop displays like this...

 

They should be fine, you can tell by feel usually.

 

Hopefully the cheap ones on eBay would be soft enough, heh.

Sent from my potato running on Android 5.1.1

 

Yup that is the one I'm using.. 8.1 stuff works with 10 usually so you'll be fine!

 

Yes the driver models of the two are similar, not like the XP to vista jump.

wn3r456, post: 10214961, member: 636720"]Hopefully the cheap ones on eBay would be soft enough, heh.

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Be gental as a matter of course anyway and you should be good.

 

Does anyone know if you can output video to a monitor at 120Hz using a Clevo P651 SE (XMG P505 with Nvidia 970M)? If so, does this work via both HDMI and mini DisplayPort or just via one of these outputs? Am considering getting a 120Mhz high-refresh rate monitor.

Also - would this laptop work with the HTC Vive VR hardware? I think I read elsewhere that's it's not compatible with the Occulus Rift (requires GSync?), but I'm more interested in the HTC Vive anyway. Thanks

 

LoneSyndal posted that he was able to do 120/144Hz out of the mDP, but didn't mention anything about the HDMI. And I don't believe that this laptop will be able to run any VR hardware due to Optimus which both the Vive and Rift have stated would not be supported.

 

Okay, ideally I would get a monitor with mDP inputs, but not all do.

If neither the Vive or the Rift support Optimus, that would seem to count out support for almost all laptops, except perhaps some very recently released ones. :-(

 

The older ones tend not to have the performance to properly run it, but due to the strict latency requirements optimus becomes less viable.

 

Was thinking of maybe getting the Benq XL2430T monitor, it doesn't have G-Sync for "future proofing" (though I think there's really no such thing with computer-related hardware), but seems to be good quality and has a refresh rate up to 144Hz.

Seems to get good reviews, e.g.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/xl2430t-144hz-gaming-monitor,review-33103.html
and
http://www.digitalversus.com/lcd-monitor/benq-xl2430t-p21350/test.html

Would this work well with my Nvidia 970M XMG P505? Will I get the benefit of more than 60Hz refresh rate (using the miniDP output)?

I don't really want to go any larger than 24" due to space limitations, and when sat in front of a 24" screen (which I do at work), it pretty much fills the vision anyway.

 

The Intel igp can be a little finicky sometimes but it does support 120hz 1080p officially.

 

Yes Nvidia should do something to improve Optimum. It is getting bad now with VR for us with high end gpu's in our laptops.

I applied Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. I got about 3-5C drop on my GPU and about the same with CPU. After undervolting the CPU, I manged to get about 10C drop. I have dropped the voltage for 70 mV. I have to see what I can do with the GPU it undervolting if that is possible (didnt do much reading yet agout 980m after Nvidia locked overclocking). Last thermal paste that I had was GC-Extreme. It is better than IC7 but I guess GC does not work very well with low pressure heatsink.

It is very expensive especially for 11 gram tube (one that I got) but for someone that lives in Arizona i think it is worth. PS I will post results if the paste performances decreases but time.

Let me know if you need more info.

 

Wait, I'm a little confused here - if I'm running a game that's using the Nvidia GPU and then plug in an external monitor, does that game still get rendered to the external monitor using the Nvidia GPU? If not, then it would be utterly pointless to add an external monitor. Where does the Intel GPU come into all this? Does it somehow mediate the output of the Nvidia GPU through the display port or something? Is this why there can be problems with outputting to 120Hz or more and why Occulus etc. is not supported?

I've outputted games through mDP to a TV before and I'm pretty sure they've still been rendered with the Nvidia GPU.

 

The Nvidia GPU processing is routed through the Intel igpu. This is also one of the reasons we don't have G-Sync on this laptop.

 

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Okay, I see, but I'd still see the benefit of higher refresh rates if I went for the Benq monitor I mentioned, if connecting via the mDP, right?: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/xl2430t-144hz-gaming-monitor,review-33103.html

 

Yes, I would take mDP over HDMI on that monitor.

 

Certainly for best compatibility, intel don't give much tweaking on the refresh rates reported by the panel and the HDMI may not have the right options.

 

Okay, but the Benq 2430T would still be a good option for an external monitor for my XMG P505, right?

 

Yes, having a higher refresh rate helps a lot for faster games even without G-sync so it should work well.

 

Okay, thanks!

 

So wait, connecting a external monitor is done directly through the Nvidia GPU, when using mDP? So that means we can use G-Sync on a monitor that supports it?

 

I don't think so, but it sounds like our laptops do at least support 120/144Hz refresh rate through the mDP

 

The most recent models do, but not the S series all go through the IGP. The IGP should work with a higher refresh rate monitor still.

 

Hmm, i started using this yesterday but after reading some of the comments on here about it, i'm not so sure whether that's a good idea. As posted in the Clevo Overclockers Lounge the other day, i'm having issues with alternative software such as NVIDIA Inspector and MSI Afterburner on the P650SE. For some reason, when i use these programs the GPU keeps turning off and on every second while it's collecting the performance statistics, which causes a massive amount of lagging within the OS. It's like the GPU is only switching on at second intervals for the sake of collecting this information, and then turning off again. I've tried setting both Afterburner and Inspector to use the GTX 970M rather than HD4600 in NVIDIA Control Panel, however it makes no difference to the issue. I'll perhaps give Asus GPU Tweak a shot and see whether this works instead.

 

I don't see why NVidia Inspector would cause 'collecting information problem' that you describe - you only use the program once per session to set your overclock & then you close the program & your overclock stays, you don't need the program (NVidia Inspector) running in the background.

 

Yeah i do understand what you're saying, that's a decent point. The problem is that it can become quite a frustrating experience when modifying the values and adjusting the settings for each game, because both Afterburner and Inspector are causing such severe amounts of lagging which makes them almost impossible to use. And while this is happening, the GPU indicator light on the front of the laptop blinks at the second intervals i spoke about. No worries anyways, because Asus GPU Tweak and this seems to work rather well as an alternative, meaning the problems i've been having with Afterburner and Inspector don't matter too much!

 

Yeah, I really don't understand the problem you're describing, and I can't imagine how it would be NVidia Inspector causing 'lagging', whatever that is exactly. Well, you've sorted it anyway!

 

I'm a bit of a dumbo when it comes to explaining these kinds of problems, apologies!

 

Haha, no problem, well you've got your problem sorted, so that's all that matters!

 

now that i have this thing configured and repasted with kryonaut, i decided to take it for a spin on userbenchmark.

UserBenchmarks: Desk 75%, Game 61%, Work 49%
CPU: Intel Core i7-4720HQ - 81%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 970M - 65.2%
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 250GB - 107.4%
MBD: Clevo P65_P67SE

not too shabby? went with a safe overclock on the 970M, 400Mhz core, 500Mhz memory and 200 mw voltage increase. forced fans to maximum during the benchmarks just in case. for some reason the cpu gets worse results when i overclock it with ITU than leaving it at stock, even if i don't hit any thermal throttling...any idea why?

 

Always curious, but what kind of temperature drops did you get with kryonaut, and what did you have before the pasting?

 

initially i only repasted the cpu, as i was already getting throttled without doing anything particularly intensive, i went from 99 celcius to 85 under max load. then when i wanted to overclock my gpu, i repasted it as a precaution, not as a necessity. i don't know how much i would have gotten with that overclock with my old thermal paste, but i'm still below 75 with full graphical load. i'm sure i can push it more, but i'd rather not break my new toy right away.

 

That huge drop in temperatures you saw there was not due to Kryonaut itself, it's just that sometimes laptops don't come pasted up very well from the factory, so even if you'd used another paste & done a good job repasting then you would have seen a large temperature drop. I had always been repasting my laptop with Arctic Silver 5 on the GPU, I've now switched to Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and temperatures are 2 degC lower during a 25min run on Heaven Benchmark at the same room temperature - so thermal pastes make a small difference in temperatures, but can still be worthwhile. Comparative thermal paste performance reviews on the internet also show that only small differences exist between pastes, in the region of 5 degC spread (excluding conductive metal pastes such as Liquid Ultra which can be another say 3-4degC cooler than that IIRC).

 

I have had the same experience as well, especially trying to change settings for an application on Inspector with the Nvidia card turned off. The GUI lags very bad when the Intel card is on, but the Nvidia GPU is switching on and off every 1 second or so, during which the lags stop. What I do is launch a program that uses the Nvidia GPU and that makes it run continuously and the GUI stops lagging.

 

Ah that's a relief, i'm pleased to hear that i'm not the only person with this issue, and thanks for explaining it better than me as well. I had been a little worried, because it seemed like i was alone with this problem and it made me wonder for a moment whether there was something wrong with the GPU. That's the best solution, as you mentioned, but it's still an irritating experience for anyone intending to overclock their graphics using either Afterburner or NVIDIA Inspector.

 

Ahhhh, the GUI of NVidia Inspector was lagging/slow to respond, now I understand what was being talked about!

 

Yes, the nvidia GPU is asleep and there is a slight lag as inspector pings it and wakes it up.

Monitoring programs can do the same thing.

 

With Kryonaut i got about 2C lower temps on CPU compared to GC-Extreme. I guess GC-Extreme is not very good with low pressure heatsinks. On GPU is the same story.

Now that i undervolted the CPU --70mv I hardly go above 75 when I game. If i use AIDA i go up to 85. The next thing is to undervolt the GPU and see how much lower temps i can get.

 

I might have to test kryonaut again, but it may come down to each machine having its favorite paste depending on chip and pressure, that could get a little tricky to remember!

 

I still think the pressure is the most important thing. But so far kryonaut is great. I have to see its life span. At home i an using Noctua NT-H1 for more than 1.5 years and my desktop temps are the same.

Bryonaut is still new and we will see more from it besides working great with low pressure heatsinks.

 

I have moved to liquid metal on my main machine but it's certainly not ideal for a lot of people.